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Proposed california illegal immigration policy

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I recently got an e-mail from someone at my school about new "racist" Prop. 187.

I'll quote the entire e-mail

Note: The formatting was fucked in the e-mail so it's probably going to be fucked here.
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PLANNING MEETING TO DEFEAT THE NEW 187
Sunday, February 1, 5:00 PM, USC campus, Rm. 115 Taper Hall

NORTHERN CALIFORNIA PLANNING MEETING TO DEFEAT THE NEW 187
Monday, February 2, 7:00 PM, UC-Berkeley campus, Rm. 123 Wheeler Hall

The racist, anti-immigrant group Save Our State (SOS) has begun a
signature gathering campaign to
place a new Proposition 187 initiative on the California November 2004
ballot. They have until
April 29 to gather the required signatures. All supporters of equality
and immigrant rights,
Chicana/o, Latina/o, black, Asian, Arab, and white must build a public
campaign to STOP THIS
RACIST INITIATIVE BEFORE IT HAS A CHANCE TO GET ON THE BALLOT.

If this initiative passes, it would place a constitutional ban on the
right of undocumented
immigrants in California to qualify for drivers' licenses, or to
receive any state or locally
funded health care or social services beyond the federally required
minimum of emergency room care
and K-12 education. Those who provide health care and social services
would be required, by law,
to report any undocumented immigrant who attempts to receive services
such as pre-natal care to
the INS. To not do so would be a criminal offense punishable by a
misdemeanor citation. This
initiative campaign would stir up increased racist attacks and
harassment of all Chicana/o,
Latina/o people and as well as immigrants in California, and must be
stopped. Denying public
education to undocumented immigrants is left out of this initiative,
but if the initiative passes,
SOS wants to follow it up with lawsuits against the public schools. We
must act now to show that
CALIFORNIA IS NOT THE PLACE TO ATTACK IMMIGRANTS' RIGHTS.


A new independent civil rights movement has emerged in response to a
set of national attacks on
affirmative action and all the gains made toward integration and
equality won by the first civil
rights movement of the 1950's and 60's. We can defeat the attacks on
immigrants' rights if we
build the power of this new movement. On April 1st 2003, the movement
stepped onto the national
scene, marched 50,000 strong at the U.S. Supreme Court, and succeeded
in getting the use of
affirmative action upheld. All active positive measures to offset the
racist and sexist inequality
in our country were defended with this victory. Next, a massive public
campaign in California
defeated Proposition 54, which would have banned the collection of data
on racial inequality. It
has been proven, IF WE FIGHT WE CAN WIN!


So unless I'm missing something here, all this proposition would do is limit how much access to government money illegal immigrants have. Is there some racist undertone I'm missing here? :?
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All I can get out of it is that they're confusing immigrants (eg. those that applied for a green card/citizenship through the immigration service), with those that came over the border or came in by plane/ship and never went home, and so aren't paying taxes etc. Theres something wrong with this why?
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The mentality of much of the "pro-immigrant" community is that even illegal immigrants should be given equal access to taxpayer-funded services such as education and healthcare. Also, they should be granted state driver's licenses (also used to verify voting rights), etc.

Anyone who opposes such actions are often labeled "racist" to shout them down.
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Well, I guess I'm just a racist bastard then. :?
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Being the son of a legal immigrant from the Dominican Republic, I will honestly say...fuck them. Not that I don't admire their drive to succeed, but if they're illegal immigrants, then why should we validate them?
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These fuckers ASSUME there is a right in California for illegals to have drivers license and have access to programs intended for legal immrgants and citizens. I never understood the mentality of people who broke the law to get here should somehow be granted rights equal to citizens and legal immgrants.

First and foremost you broke the law to get here, that trumps all your other requests for money and acces to fucking drivers licenses. Jesus. California is a fucking mess on this immigrant issue.
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This is the Issue that will define America in the next 20 years.... a watershed issue.... Do we support a group of ILLEGALS on the backs of US taxpayers while FOX from Mexico, dumps his social ills on this country :evil: :evil:
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http://sources.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calif ... 187_(1994)

BAM! The text of CA Prop 187. I see nothing racist there.
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Don't forget these are the same people during the last election wanted no on Prop 54. Calling it racist. 54 was basically Prohibition Against Classifying by Race by State and Other Public Entities.

It was called racist even though it was quite the oppisite, trying to elimnate race. It would effect "minority rights".

Thats Cali for you.
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BTW Prop 187 is old, like 1994 or something like that
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Sam Or I wrote:BTW Prop 187 is old, like 1994 or something like that
I just got the e-mail today :?

hmmm..., well it appears that it's supposed to be a revised version of 187 since 187 1.0 ran into some problems with the courts it seems :?

Either way, I intend to write a reply and send it to the whole school. I've been drowning in this type of bullshit for 4 years and have been aching to do something about it...
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I'm not sure how many people here really believe immigrants should have all these rights. I don't meet many of them at work, but I'm in a the tech environment where illegals are just not gonna be working.

I was in college back in the 187 days and its kind of amusing to watch the pro immigrant crowd. They say we need immigrants cause they do work white people wont. Yet at the same time, they want living wages for the work. Well, if it paid a living wage white people would do it. So immigrants are either low paid or not needed.
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