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NASA: Mars Had Surface Water

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More Clues Emerge to Mars' Watery Past
03.23.04

Earth might not be the only planet in our solar system to have hosted salty seas. NASA's Opportunity has uncovered evidence that the rocks near its landing site on Mars not only were once wet, but likely formed at the bottom of a body of gently flowing saltwater.

"We think Opportunity is now parked on what was once the shoreline of a salty sea on Mars," said Dr. Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., principal investigator for the science payload on Opportunity and its twin Mars Exploration Rover, Spirit.

Dr. Ed Weiler, NASA associate administrator for space science, said, "This dramatic confirmation of surface water in Mars' history builds on a progression of discoveries about that most Earthlike of alien planets. This result gives us impetus to expand our ambitious program of exploring Mars to learn whether microbes have ever lived there and ultimately whether we can."

At a press conference at NASA Headquarters announcing the findings, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe said the discovery would have "profound implications for future exploration."

Rippled patterns in the rocks at Meridiani Planum suggest that the land there was once a salt flat or playa, sometimes covered by shallow water and sometimes dry, said Dr. John Grotzinger, rover science-team member from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge. Such environments on Earth, either at the edge of oceans or in desert basins, can have currents of water that produce the type of ripples seen in the Mars rocks.

According to Grotzinger, the sand-sized grains of sediment making up the rocks were shaped into ripples by water at least 5 centimeters (2 inches) deep -- possibly much deeper -- and flowing at a speed in the range of 10 to 50 centimeters (4 to 20 inches) per second.

Telltale patterns called crossbedding and festooning, in which some layers within a rock lie at angles to the main layers, led scientists to the conclusion that the rippled shapes formed under a current of water -- and not wind. Festooned layers have smile-shaped curves that are produced when loose sediments are shifted by water.

"Ripples that formed in wind look different than ripples formed in water," Grotzinger said. Some patterns seen in the outcrop that Opportunity has been examining might have resulted from wind, but others are reliable evidence of water flow, he said.

So far, the findings do not specify how long liquid water covered the area, or how long ago, but controllers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., plan to send Opportunity out across the a plain toward a thicker exposure of rocks in the wall of a crater that should add to the story.

A second line of evidence, observations of chlorine and bromine in the rocks, also suggests that water covered the surface when these rocks were forming. Rover scientists presented some of that news three weeks ago as evidence that the rocks had at least soaked in mineral-rich water, possibly underground water, after they formed. Increased assurance of the bromine findings strengthens the case that rock-forming particles precipitated from evaporating water as salt concentrations climbed past saturation.

Dr. James Garvin, lead scientist for Mars and lunar exploration at NASA Headquarters, Washington, said, "Many features on the surface of Mars that orbiting spacecraft have revealed to us in the past three decades look like signs of liquid water, but we have never before had this definitive class of evidence from the Mars rocks themselves. We planned the Mars Exploration Rover Project to look for evidence like this, and it is succeeding better than we had any right to hope. Someday we must collect these rocks and bring them back to terrestrial laboratories to read their records for clues to the biological potential of Mars."

Squyres said, "The particular type of rock Opportunity is finding, with evaporite sediments from standing water, offers excellent capability for preserving evidence of any biochemical or biological material that may have been in the water."

NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, due to launch in 2005, will survey the whole planet for sites with water-related minerals and help identify sites for future landings.

JPL engineers now expect Opportunity and Spirit to operate several months longer than the rovers' initial three-month prime missions on Mars. To analyze hints of crossbedding, mission controllers programmed Opportunity to move its robotic arm more than 200 times in one day, taking 152 microscope pictures of layering in a rock called "Last Chance."

For information about the Mars rover mission, visit http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov and http://athena.cornell.edu .
Guy Webster
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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NASA: Mars Once Had 'Salty Sea'

Tuesday, March 23, 2004

PASADENA — Mars once had a briny pool of standing water on its surface that could have supported life in the now-frozen planet's distant past, NASA scientists said Tuesday.

Scientists announced earlier this month that the Opportunity (search) rover found evidence of water long ago on Mars (search), but it was unclear whether the water was underground or on the surface. The new findings suggest there was a pool of saltwater at least two inches deep.

A rocky outcropping examined by the rover had ripple patterns and concentrations of salt -- considered telltale signs that the rock formed in standing water.

The findings add to the growing body of evidence that the Red Planet was once was a warmer and wetter place that may have been conducive to life.

"We think Opportunity is now parked on what was once the shoreline of a salty sea on Mars," said Cornell University astronomer Steve Squyres, the mission's main scientist.

Although Squyres referred to the water as a sea, scientists said it was not clear how big the body of water might have been or whether it was a permanent fixture. Instead, the site could have been a desert basin or salt flat that periodically flooded with water.

The evidence also does not indicate when water covered the broad and flat region where Opportunity landed, called Meridiani Planum (search), or for how long. Nor does it indicate if any organisms actually lived on Mars.
Interesting development. With this finding, it's quite possible that it's only a matter of time until evidence of past microbial life is discovered.

Here's a question: What sort of affect on the scientific and/or religious world do you think that the discovery of life off of earth would have?

From a religious standpoint, I don't think that it would be that big a deal, that sort of controversy would probably form after a discovery of intelligent life.

From a scientific standpoint, I think that it would be just the boost that it needs to get public support for further exploration up and running. Other than that, I'm not really sure what would happen.
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Welcome to last month. :P
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No no no, the announcement last month was that mars *probably* had water underground. This is conclusive evidence of *surface* water.

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I'm still annoyed at NASA hyping this up as if they found a rock with "Copyright God" underneath it. :P
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I'm pretty sure Dasani is just water they bottled up anyway, so there's really not much of a difference.
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From a scientific standpoint it will certainly enforce some of our views on what is required for life to form, and quite possibly shatter some statician views on how hard it is for primitive life to form.

For religious view points, well the vatican will just say more evidence of God, or some such, and the fundy creationists will just either find a way to incorperate it into their own view, or some way to discredit it.
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This is really great news. It may be only a matter of tme before signs of life is found on Mars. Who knows what kind of animals swam in the ancient Martian sea.
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evilcat4000 wrote:This is really great news. It may be only a matter of tme before signs of life is found on Mars. Who knows what kind of animals swam in the ancient Martian sea.
If we are going to find it, we'd better get fucking cracking. IIRC, spirit has very little time left. opportunity won't be far behind.
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From the briefing yesteday, the rovers are performing much better than anticipated and might be able to remain functional for much longer, perhaps into September even. Besides, unless there's a skeleton of a critter draped over a dune ala Episode IV, the rovers arent equipped to image any sort of microscopic bilogicals or fossils ;) Thats the job of the NEXT one or the one after that :)
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Burak Gazan wrote:From the briefing yesteday, the rovers are performing much better than anticipated and might be able to remain functional for much longer, perhaps into September even. Besides, unless there's a skeleton of a critter draped over a dune ala Episode IV, the rovers arent equipped to image any sort of microscopic bilogicals or fossils ;) Thats the job of the NEXT one or the one after that :)
Or the astronauts we sent after that. :D

While the rovers are very cool, the work they've done and the distances they've traveled in these past weeks could have been done by a geologist, even an amateur one, in a day or less.

I'd volunteer to go on a trip to the old Martian beaches.
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Mayabird wrote:I'd volunteer to go on a trip to the old Martian beaches.
I figure we ought to hand this one off to the Russians or a private company. Ask them to find a couple of volunteers for a one-way trip and turn them loose. I'm sure we could find some people willing to die in exchange for being in the history books as the first person to spend a couple of weeks on Mars, and it'd be a hell of a shocking kick in the pants to the rest of the world.
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Lagmonster wrote:
Mayabird wrote:I'd volunteer to go on a trip to the old Martian beaches.
I figure we ought to hand this one off to the Russians or a private company. Ask them to find a couple of volunteers for a one-way trip and turn them loose. I'm sure we could find some people willing to die in exchange for being in the history books as the first person to spend a couple of weeks on Mars, and it'd be a hell of a shocking kick in the pants to the rest of the world.
Actually, you could probably spend alot longer than a couple months. Use the space you save in return systems to develop a portable greenhouse to provide food and air.
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Nathan F wrote: Actually, you could probably spend alot longer than a couple months. Use the space you save in return systems to develop a portable greenhouse to provide food and air.
well, the biosphere II thingy didn´t work...
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salm wrote:
Nathan F wrote: Actually, you could probably spend alot longer than a couple months. Use the space you save in return systems to develop a portable greenhouse to provide food and air.
well, the biosphere II thingy didn´t work...
This is because they did not take Bacteria into consideration when doing their calculation!

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Isolder74 wrote:
salm wrote:
Nathan F wrote: Actually, you could probably spend alot longer than a couple months. Use the space you save in return systems to develop a portable greenhouse to provide food and air.
well, the biosphere II thingy didn´t work...
This is because they did not take Bacteria into consideration when doing their calculation.
Actualy i think it was because they didn´t take into consideration that concrete absorbs CO2 for years after it hardens. Thats where all the oxygen went. A typical case of not asking the right persons. The phenomenon is teached to every architect and then promptly forgotten because it´s irrelevant for them, while being almost unkown outside the field.
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Sebastin wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
salm wrote: well, the biosphere II thingy didn´t work...
This is because they did not take Bacteria into consideration when doing their calculation.
Actualy i think it was because they didn´t take into consideration that concrete absorbs CO2 for years after it hardens. Thats where all the oxygen went. A typical case of not asking the right persons. The phenomenon is teached to every architect and then promptly forgotten because it´s irrelevant for them, while being almost unkown outside the field.
That too. Two minor technical opps and you see the results
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