Tea Party Leader Mocks NAACP "Coloreds" In Online Screed

[Tom_Kalbfus]

I have German ancestry too, so I do not completely disassociate myself with your country, Kalbfus is after all a German name, that said, Germany is not only know for Nazism, but also as the homeland of a certain Karl Marx, Germany was also split in two until 1989 one part was occupied and then controlled by the Russians. What the Russians did to Germany was not justifiable.

And that changes your argument...how?
Let me get this straight: You argued that the Tea Parts is not comparable to the NSDAP - and hence they are not racist.
How does that validate your argument?

Your assuming they are like the Nazi Party, the Nazis had Storm Troopers before they attained power in Germany, they kept order during those Nazi rallies and disrupted those rallies of their opponents.

You clearly know nothing about how the NSDAP gained it's power. I even wrote about it.
Hint: It involved bringing violent, armed people to peaceful rallies.

Some people don't like other people for whatever reason, sometimes its because of race, and sometimes its because of one's political views, so long as that racism doesn't prevent people from living peacably with ones neighbors and getting along with life, it is none of anyone's business what one thinks. People are free to think or say whatever they want so long as it doesn't cause direct harm like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and there is no fire, resulting in a panic causing needless death and injury.

So you admit that they are racists? Thank you very much.

You can indeed hate blacks for being black, just like many hate Americans for being American, just ask the Iranians about that. You seem to demonstrate a hatred towards me for expressing my views, that you disagree with, you call me names and so forth.

Uuh, "hatred". Yeah, right - i just don't like stupid morons who spread idiotic political lies. Like you.

A Chart? Who knows where that chart came from or whether its accurate, it also ends at 2006, about two years before Barack Obama landed in the White House, a lot has happened since the end of the Bush Administration. Bush was reacting to the attack on 9/11 against the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and another airplane that was hijacked by terrorists and was downed in Pennsyvania, Wars as you know can be expensive, and the reason this one was expensive was in part because we tried very hard to avoid unnecessary civilian casualities, it would have been cheaper to fight the war the way Hitler would have, or for that matter Eisenhower, but in the 21st century standards are much higher than during World War II, perhaps too high, but for whatever reason the War against Terror was and is expensive, and we can't just surrender to it, so we keep on fighting. The War on the other hand is cheap for the terrorists, because they don't care who they kill, just so that some Americans number among those killed. Exploding car bombs are cheap compared to precision guided weapons, that are nevertheless never precise enough for our liberal left-wing critics who criticise our right to defend ourselves.

And Obama has to deal with a financial crisis.
And i assume every other Republican president before who also racked up huge amounts of debt was also fighting the war on Terror?
We are not talking about a recent trend here, kiddo. EVERY republican president during the last century racked up massive debt, while Democrats tended to reduce it.
If you actually cared about the financial well-being of your nation, you would look at that. But you only care about your money, hence whoever grants you the bigger tax-cut gets your love.

Because the power to tax is a temptation that needs to be resisted.

And of course, there is absolutely no government control by the people

If you are a private company, you can't just arbitrarily raise the prices of the product or service you sell, because your compeditor may keep his prices low and take a greater share of your customers as the flock to the lower price seller to save money. For a government the tax is their price they charge customers called taxpayers, unlike a customer of a private business, the taxpayer has no choice but to pay his taxes or else be arrested, therefore it is incumbant upon government to tax as little as necessary, because taxation causes real harm to the economy and slows growth. If the government taxes at 25% it consumes 25% of the economy, leaving its citizens with only the 75% that is left.

Hint: It's called Democracy.
Then again, your's is bankrupt in more ways than just financially.

Governments also don't have to worry about losing their customers, as customers cannot legally choose another provider for government services without moving to another country.

Hint: It's called voting.

Corporations on the other hand have less compunction about moving to another country, and taking the jobs they provide with them. The people who are stuck in their countries or for reasons having to do with language, culture, or national pride choose to stay, often find jobs harder to find as their employers flee to other countries in search of lower taxes. Fewer jobs mean less tax revenue for the government, and hiking the taxes to a higher percentage of income causes more corporations to flee, so even if they tax at 90%, few will want to stay in the country and provide jobs because their profit margin is reduce to only 10% of what it was before taxes, they will go to another country that taxes them at 25% so they can keep 75% of their profits and thus provide them with a greater return on their investments.

Show me that tax cuts result in more jobs, shithead.

Government must then prioritize that which it does from most important to least important and spend within a certain limit instead of taking more and more from the taxpayer.

In other words, you don't care if it simply doesn't have enough money to do it's job. You already HAVE a budget and manage to rack up massive debts - because some things just have to be done! You can't just decide to stop all road maintanance for one or two year, to to not fund the military at all.

A certain level of racism is a given, and frankly is not worth addressing, as the cost of remedying it involves the loss of certain individual freedoms such as the freedom of speech, freedom of association and so forth. Everybody faces some sort of prejudice or another in his life, I do, we all learn to live with it and make the best with what we got, the point is to keep it down, the overt harmful prejudice that prevents groups of people from succeeding in life regardless of talent - as had happened in Germany, and to a lesser extend in America at times past. I think the level of prejudice has dropped to a level where most blacks can simply ignore it and grow some thick skin rather than suspecting racial discrimination at every corner. If a person feels racism is holding him back, he can simply try harder and if he tries hard enough, he can succeed. Complaining about racism past a certain point is a crutch, because it removes the responsibility for success from the individual as he can always blame the "other" for not getting that job and so forth.

Yes, them blacks should just take the discrimination! How dare they to complain!
That was enough to call you a racist, you little racist fucktard. You have no interest in actual equality and are denying and distorting the racism in the USA.
Besides, i doubt that you were ever really discriminated against - you are, after all, a christian white male.

Your discriminating against me now. I feel that if I can have thick skin and deal with your constant abuse, by calling me a "shithead" for example, then black people can just as easily shrug off one's use of the N-word and just walk away. Besides the word "shithead" can have racial connotations, so you'd better watch your mouth lest something racist ever spring forth from it. you don't know that I'm racist, I've seen more foul words from your posts than from mine, name calling and use of racial ephitaphs such as "shithead" are so immature, I suspect you are only half my age to be using such vulgarisms, it is not becoming of you.

Racism can never be completely eliminated, people will keep their thoughts to themselves, they might not hire someone because they are black but they will never admit as much, and there is nothing the German government can do about it, and the loss of freedom caused by hiring quotas just aren't worth the trouble for the meager benefit they would deliver. Freedom once lost, is hard to regain, as a German you should know that.

You are a little racist who knows nothing about German history. Just because your grandfather fucked a german woman or something like that you do not know anything about it.
Either way, you totally ignored my point that any decent organization would NOT TOLERATE the racism the Tea Party tolerates.

Conclusion:
The Tea Party is a collection full of racist fucktards like Tom_Kalbfus.

And you are a foul-mouthed intollerant German, it doesn't matter whether you wear a swastika or a hammer and sickle on your armband, a Kraut is a Kraut, and you are one of the most unpleasant Germans I've ever met, next to certain historical figures and stereotypes from World War II. I went to certain length to explain to you my particular philosophy, but as any hot-headed German, you are quick to anger and not up to listening, you'd make perfect recruiting material for the Hitler Youth. I tried to be polite with you and respectful of your particular opinion, but I have received nothing but foul-mouthed abuse from you, and I am done Frauline.

[Serafina]

Your discriminating against me now. I feel that if I can have thick skin and deal with your constant abuse, by calling me a "shithead" for example, then black people can just as easily shrug off one's use of the N-word and just walk away. Besides the word "shithead" can have racial connotations, so you'd better watch your mouth lest something racist ever spring forth from it. you don't know that I'm racist, I've seen more foul words from your posts than from mine, name calling and use of racial ephitaphs such as "shithead" are so immature, I suspect you are only half my age to be using such vulgarisms, it is not becoming of you.

No, i am not. I am calling you a shithead due to your personal behavior, not because you a member of a certain group (whether that be male, christian, white, american or anything like that).
And it's simply a fact that male, white christians do not suffer from any discrimination in the USA. Stating that fact to refute your laughable claim that you know what discrimination is like is not discrimination.
Besides, you are about to make quite racists statements by means of hasty generalization.

And you are a foul-mouthed intollerant German, it doesn't matter whether you wear a swastika or a hammer and sickle on your armband, a Kraut is a Kraut, and you are one of the most unpleasant Germans I've ever met, next to certain historical figures and stereotypes from World War II.

And you are not a racist HOW exactly?
I never made any statement that said "an american is an american" to indicate that every US-american is alike. I never spoke negatively of US-Americans, merely of their political system.

I went to certain length to explain to you my particular philosophy, but as any hot-headed German, you are quick to anger and not up to listening, you'd make perfect recruiting material for the Hitler Youth. I tried to be polite with you and respectful of your particular opinion, but I have received nothing but foul-mouthed abuse from you, and I am done Frauline.

Can someone please title that shithead?


Either way, Tom:
YOU are making racist statements. It is perfectly alright to call you a racist for that.
The Tea Party makes lot's of racist statements due to the racist members they have. Calling them a racist organization for that is ALSO correct.
You are also ignoring facts, such as Einziges chart of that the statistics already show that the taxes in the USA are equal or lower to your stated goal.
Conclusively, you ARE a racist ignorant retard.

[loomer]

Since when was shit-head racist?

Go ahead, Tom. Name the ethnicity it targets and provide at least three sources.

[The Yosemite Bear]

shiekof- idiot, german version of the term shithead, or shit for brains. obviously a slur to the perminate underclass who have no education. Note since tomarrows the anniversary of one of the US labour massacarres, I guess I should point out that "Redneck" refered to the bandannas that the coalminers used to wear (though how one could tell that the bandannas they wore to cover their faces from the gasses/black lung were red we don't know)

[Thanas]

shiekof- idiot, german version of the term shithead, or shit for brains.

There is no german version of the term.

obviously a slur to the perminate underclass who have no education. Note since tomarrows the anniversary of one of the US labour massacarres, I guess I should point out that "Redneck" refered to the bandannas that the coalminers used to wear (though how one could tell that the bandannas they wore to cover their faces from the gasses/black lung were red we don't know)

WTH bear?

[Coyote]

Bear is.... having one of his moments.

Things like "redneck" are seen by some as an insult; by others as a badge of honor. But it doesn't target a race; it targets a social class. A social class typically portrayed as ignorant, under-educated, simple-minded, unsophisticated, religiously superstitious, good for nothing but hard work, and frequently involved in questionable sexual practices (incest, beastiality) in some way.

But not necessarily one class or another. Frequently in America the class is typified by white people, but every society has "that group" that fits most if not all those descriptions. In Korea, I believe it is the "island people". In Israel, it was the "kibbutzniks" (to an extent). And so on.

[eion]

shiekof- idiot, german version of the term shithead, or shit for brains.

There is no german version of the term.

That one you'll have to explain, because I've heard many a german use "scheisskopf". Though it was almost always used towards oneself when something bad happens, as in "What an idiot I am."

Tom is still an idiot for thinking that calling someone who's given plenty of evidence to the fact an "idiot" is the same as calling a black-guy a "nigger".

[Coyote]

Ghetto edit:

But not necessarily one class or another. Frequently in America the class is typified by white people....

I meant to say:

But not necessarily one RACE or another. Frequently in America the class is typified by white people....

Whoops.

[Thanas]

shiekof- idiot, german version of the term shithead, or shit for brains.

There is no german version of the term.

That one you'll have to explain, because I've heard many a german use "scheisskopf". Though it was almost always used towards oneself when something bad happens, as in "What an idiot I am."

Scheisskopf? I have never heard it once, the dictionary says it does not exist.

Scheiß Kopf would be used if you would have a headache or if the physical characteristics of your head are not to your liking.


Are you sure you are not confusing it with Dummkopf?

[Serafina]

shiekof- idiot, german version of the term shithead, or shit for brains.

There is no german version of the term.

That one you'll have to explain, because I've heard many a german use "scheisskopf". Though it was almost always used towards oneself when something bad happens, as in "What an idiot I am."

Tom is still an idiot for thinking that calling someone who's given plenty of evidence to the fact an "idiot" is the same as calling a black-guy a "nigger".

I do not recall hearing the term "Scheisskopf", ever.
I might simpy not recall it, but the first three pages of Google give only one site with a german return, where it is not used as an actual word but rather "scheiß Kopf" which is more similar to "damn head" - something is swearing about someones actual head, due to a headache, hitting the head on a low bar or about his head/mind being unable to concentrate - something like that.
Which makes me suspect that the term simply doesn't exist like that.

[eion]

Scheisskopf? I have never heard it once, the dictionary says it does not exist.

Scheiß Kopf would be used if you would have a headache or if the physical characteristics of your head are not to your liking.


Are you sure you are not confusing it with Dummkopf?

It may well be an American-in-Germany invention, "Shit for Brains" and "Shithead" are both American vernacular for "Idiot", so some enterprising GI might have thought he was being cleaver combined "scheisse" and "kopf" into "scheisskopf".

It really is such a shame that very little work is done on the origins of insults, cursing, and exclamations.

EDIT: It appears I might be right according Urban Dictionary, for what that's worth.

[ShadowDragon8685]

And to think Thanas accuses me of hyperventilating!

Yes. Yes I do, because you are somebody who can't argue his way out of a paperbag but rages against weak targets as soon as you get an inkling of what is going on.

Bub, I don't care if the target is "weak" or not. I'm not dogpiling. I'm raging against a fucking lunatic whose ideas are either terrifyingly naieve or criminally irresponsible. He pushed my berzerk buttons.

ShadowDragon, note that he doesn't say he wants a total tax burden of 25% ; He wants the government to requisition 25% of the national income in taxes, which translates to a much higher tax burden (tax only targets income, while national income includes investment, government spending, net export, etc.). The US spent about 25% GDP in 2009, so it means our boy here is perfectly satisfied with that spending, only he'd like to raise taxes to cover it without defficit.

He said it himself, it would be completely fair. I don't see a problem with his position.

Sure, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of not deliberately misconstruing what he says to make him look like an idiot, since he does that very well on his own. He's clearly arguing for a total tax burden of 25% of personal income, not raising the tax burden on the population to 25% of the GDP.

He is very confused on that point. Sometimes he writes 25% of income, sometimes 25% of GDP. But then, even the second one is almost achieved by the US (as repeatedly shown).

My guess? He's young, he's excited, he doesn't have a very large vocabulary but he knows enough to know that repeating the same thing in the exact same way every time is considered bad form, so he varies it without understanding the true technicality of what he's saying.

He's clearly talking about capping tax burden at 25% of personal income, not raising it to 25% of GDP.

I always wonder about the people screaming about high taxes killing companies, competitiveness, the economy, etc. There are countries out there that have a LOT higher taxes that still manage to be globally competitive, etc - something that is supposedly impossible.

Like I said: they've drank the Kool-Aid. (Flavor-Aid, but kool-aid sounds better.) They've been taken in by the screed of those who are truly helped out by these tax breaks - rich assholes who want to be even richer assholes - and parrot the "lower taxes, more money for everyone" mantra without a fucking clue of the realities of the situation.

He's an idiot asshole who's been taken in by cynical greedy sociopaths hook, line, sinker, rod, and copy of Angling Times. He doesn't realize that he's arguing for a cause that's very much against his own self-interest, rather like a woman arguing for a return to Talibanism. He's been indoctrinated to believe it's the Right Way, and so doesn't apply any logic to it, only parroting talking points that look like logic, and ignoring people when they break down his talking points. He's all over the map when he starts to get himself twisted up and gets called out, so he tries dodging by saying "At least they're not as bad as HITLER!" and otherwise mentioning Germany.

My impression is that higher taxes might lead to short-term damage to the economy, but in the long-run is almost irrelevant.

For him, it's even simpler than that. His argument is "It's my money, I don't want to give more than a quarter of it to you!" It's the "I've earned it, fuck you" mentality.

Hell, just looking at the current financial crisis, while the US is groaning under high unemployment, etc. caused by the minor drop in GDP, we here in Germany had a drop in GDP quite a lot bigger, while the unemployment rate is pretty much untouched.

Why? Government intervention aimed at keeping people employed, keeping companies alive through loans, etc.

He's been completely indoctrinated to believe that government intervention is evil. In those words he said it; he believes that government is Evil.

There's three basic measures of national income, that's GDP (Gross Domestic Product), GNP (Gross National Product which is essentially GDP + trade balance) and Net National Income.

Since most people mean GDP, I assumed he did, too, just didn't know the correct terms (yet claims his economic proposals should be given the time of day by anybody, go figure...)

They're not his economic proposals. I imagine that if we had a scope into his life, we'll find a very loud, very anger and very powerful father figure who's constantly raging against taxes, and who also loudly screams that the government doesn't have a right to more than a quarter of what he earns.

Not that they would be any smarter coming out of Tom's hypothetical Pop's mouth, because they'd still the selfish ranting of an idiot who doesn't understand how the world works and doesn't understand the ideas of social contract, social good, more than basic economics, and simply objects to relinquishing any of what he has "earned" whatsoever, but begrudgingly concedes that roads have to be paid for and police have to be paid and firefighters have to be paid. Also, FWIW, almost certainly thinks Fox News really is "fair and balanced" when they're screeding about "liberal lies," and considers anyone to the left of fox to be "Liberal Media."

Tom's arguing somebody else's position. I'd bet it's a father's, but it could also be a charismatic teacher's, local community leader's, or simply he's been watching too much Faux Noise and listening to the talking heads too damn much, but I'd bet it's closer to home. People arguing someone else's position in the name of someone they've never met and who wouldn't know them from Nixon usually slink away after being called out like this, but he stuck in there, so he's got some kind of personal stake in this. He's completely unable to effectually speak on the target, when his arguments are called out as nonsensical, unsupported, or he's told point-blank that "I believe" is insufficient grounds for an argument, he employs circular logic, repeats his points, or tries to dodge the issue by throwing a grenade with a Hitler 'Tache taped to it.

Your discriminating against me now. I feel that if I can have thick skin and deal with your constant abuse, by calling me a "shithead" for example, then black people can just as easily shrug off one's use of the N-word and just walk away. Besides the word "shithead" can have racial connotations, so you'd better watch your mouth lest something racist ever spring forth from it. you don't know that I'm racist, I've seen more foul words from your posts than from mine, name calling and use of racial ephitaphs such as "shithead" are so immature, I suspect you are only half my age to be using such vulgarisms, it is not becoming of you.

If someone has a habit of driving whilst intoxicated and we see fit to revoke his right to drive, that is discrimination in the strictest sense. However, he doesn't get to claim racial discrimination, because the cause of his driver's license being shredded is not the color of his skin, but the factuality of his actions.

Likewise, you don't get to call "racism" on being called shithead unless you literally have shit for brains, this condition is apparently obvious to those who see you, there are an entire race of people like you, and Serafina was aware of this.

It's discriminating against you based on your actions and words. Not because of your race. Also, check the rules here: this forum is a flame-pit, and posters are expected, even encouraged, to behave in ways that would get them flung out of other forums provided they're not violating the rules of debate. Hint: You are, and unless you want a ban and a title, you should immediately make appropriate posts of utter and complete obescience and apology.

(Can we not title him a village idiot? It would be insulting to the other proud village idiots around here to lump him in with us. Might I suggest "Scheisskopf"? It fits in any way, since he's a perpetual headache.)

And you are a foul-mouthed intollerant German, it doesn't matter whether you wear a swastika or a hammer and sickle on your armband, a Kraut is a Kraut, and you are one of the most unpleasant Germans I've ever met, next to certain historical figures and stereotypes from World War II. I went to certain length to explain to you my particular philosophy, but as any hot-headed German, you are quick to anger and not up to listening, you'd make perfect recruiting material for the Hitler Youth. I tried to be polite with you and respectful of your particular opinion, but I have received nothing but foul-mouthed abuse from you, and I am done Frauline.

Holee shit. That was actual, overt racism on your part.

Are you hypocritical by nature, or just too blindingly stupid and used to cognitive dissonance to realize what you've done there? Or did you think you were being clever by invoking it in a manner you perceived as ironic, "hah-hah, see what I did there? Same as what you did, only more blindingly obvious because I invoked HITLER!," in which case you really are as impaired in the head as you seem to be.

[Thanas]

And to think Thanas accuses me of hyperventilating!

Yes. Yes I do, because you are somebody who can't argue his way out of a paperbag but rages against weak targets as soon as you get an inkling of what is going on.

Bub, I don't care if the target is "weak" or not. I'm not dogpiling. I'm raging against a fucking lunatic whose ideas are either terrifyingly naieve or criminally irresponsible. He pushed my berzerk buttons.

However, he apparently did not push your spelling buttons. And yeah, you are dogpiling. You came in on page two of this thread and after that have done nothing but rage impotently at Kalbfus here. Really, we could cut your stuff out of this thread and it wouldn't matter.

Also, considering how stupid you have to be to get Texas and Arizona wrong and how racist you acted yourself you really, really should shut up and let the adults do the talking.

[ShadowDragon8685]

However, he apparently did not push your spelling buttons. And yeah, you are dogpiling. You came in on page two of this thread and after that have done nothing but rage impotently at Kalbfus here. Really, we could cut your stuff out of this thread and it wouldn't matter.

Is it possible that I only checked the thread on what you perceive as page two, and was subsequently so incensed by what he was saying that, without regards for what anybody else was saying, I felt the need to let him have it?

He's a moron, but more than that he's advocating the exact kind of attitude and politics that make me want to hurt the person advocating them because they're so laughably, nigh-cartoonishly evil in practice.

Also, what did I misspell? Berzerk? I've been really rather active about catching my spelling thanks to Firefox now having a spellchecker in it, but it's in-build dictionary is limited. I was under the impression that "Berzerk" was an acceptable spelling of the word.

Also, considering how stupid you have to be to get Texas and Arizona wrong and how racist you acted yourself you really, really should shut up and let the adults do the talking.

Texas and Arizona are right next to one another and characterized in large parts by similar attitudes. If one is simply given a description of the attitude/events and they know it happens on the Mexico-American border, they'd be hard-pressed to know Arizona from Texas, too. I did, also, realize it was a mistake and apologized for it. And that wasn't even in this thread!

When, by the way, have I acted racist? Please, enlighten me, because I have no idea what you're talking about, and I am insulted at the insinuation that I am or have been racist!

[Ghost Rider]

Also, considering how stupid you have to be to get Texas and Arizona wrong and how racist you acted yourself you really, really should shut up and let the adults do the talking.

Texas and Arizona are right next to one another and characterized in large parts by similar attitudes.

Actually that is the very racist attitude he is commenting upon and secondly, Texas and Arizona are within some distance, but to say right next to each other is claiming New York and Virginia are next to each other.

Really, look at a map if you can't remember, and stop making comments like such.

When, by the way, have I acted racist? Please, enlighten me, because I have no idea what you're talking about, and I am insulted at the insinuation that I am or have been racist!

Aside from the above thought of just lumping two states because of some pet hatred?

And of course, the state involved is Texas, and the general population there generally thinks like Nazis in that I believe the average rural Texan would love to drive out or exterminate every "other," except in that they've been conditioned to hate the 'tache and the swastika.

Your words, in the very bit that was split off.

[Thanas]

However, he apparently did not push your spelling buttons. And yeah, you are dogpiling. You came in on page two of this thread and after that have done nothing but rage impotently at Kalbfus here. Really, we could cut your stuff out of this thread and it wouldn't matter.

Is it possible that I only checked the thread on what you perceive as page two, and was subsequently so incensed by what he was saying that, without regards for what anybody else was saying, I felt the need to let him have it?

Who cares? If others are already engaging him, no dogpiling means you shut up. Unless you can raise entirely new points, which, quite frankly, you did not.

He's a moron, but more than that he's advocating the exact kind of attitude and politics that make me want to hurt the person advocating them because they're so laughably, nigh-cartoonishly evil in practice.

You seem to suffer from a lack of maturity then. We do not settle our differences by hurting each other.

Also, what did I misspell? Berzerk? I've been really rather active about catching my spelling thanks to Firefox now having a spellchecker in it, but it's in-build dictionary is limited. I was under the impression that "Berzerk" was an acceptable spelling of the word.

Naieve, however, is not.

Ghost Rider already covered the rest.

[Terralthra]

Holy shit, I'm gone for a day and this abortion of a thread continues. This retard NEVER provides any actual evidence for anything he claims other than his say so.

I'm still waiting for him to explain why the NAACP should be concerned with "high taxes" and "big government". When asked to actually explain this, the guy makes EVEN MORE unverified claims.

Because the NAACP is an arm of the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party wants to spend spend spend and run up deficits, and then raise taxes to solve them. The NAACP is like a sock puppet for the Democratic Party, whenever they want to smear somebody and call a person or organization racist it falls on the NAACP to do so.

EVEN MORE FUCKING UNVERIFIED CLAIMS, ASSHOLE.

Please do not use yellow text for emphasis. It's impossible to read on the low-bandwidth style's white background. Use bold or italic. Make your font bigger. If you must use a color, red shows up much better on the range of forum styles here than yellow.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Actually that is the very racist attitude he is commenting upon and secondly, Texas and Arizona are within some distance, but to say right next to each other is claiming New York and Virginia are next to each other.

Really, look at a map if you can't remember, and stop making comments like such.

Alright, fine. I'll cop to being geographically challenged. I was wrong.

(Why is New Mexico almost never in the news for this kind of shit?)

Aside from the above thought of just lumping two states because of some pet hatred?

Racism, as defined by Random House, is (a) a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others, (b) a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or forming such a doctrine [in reference to A - me]; Discrimination, or (c) hatred or intolerance of another race or races.

Saying that the general person from the South is an asshole is not racism. "Southerner" or "Texan" is not a race the way "American" might be, but which "German" (referring to the ethnicity of native German descent) or "blacks" (referring to people with ancestry from the native German peoples) definitely are.

It's not racism. It is applying a prejudice based on cultural and regional location, yes, but it not racism any more than saying "Christian priests are all kiddy-fiddlers" is racism. Moreover, there have been more than one topic on this forum's past in which the very subject of the South being in general the way I have described, it was called out as unfairly generalizing, then proven to be an entirely fair if unkind generalization.

I haven't been racist. I have been proceeding under the presumption that people from the South are Shit-Until-Proven-Not-Shit, but that's not racism, it's cultural and regional discrimination; and not foundless discrimination, either.

And of course, the state involved is Texas, and the general population there generally thinks like Nazis in that I believe the average rural Texan would love to drive out or exterminate every "other," except in that they've been conditioned to hate the 'tache and the swastika.

Your words, in the very bit that was split off.

And I stand by them. "Joe Texan" would very much like to be able to snap his fingers and rid "his" space (whether it be his immediate vicinity, "his" state, or even "his" country) of everyone not like him.

Does this mean every Texan is necessarily like this - of course not! I know damn well it's not true, and that eventually if you search Texas long enough you'll find a true blue genuine kind human being who never judges a soul by anything but their own deeds and welcomes everyone regardless of origins to be near him, and just happens to like wearing chaps and riding horses out on the range.

But you'll have to look damn hard to find him. Most Texans are racist xenophobes to one degree of rabidity or another who want never to be forced to interact with (in their minds 'viewing' is interacting) anyone unlike themselves. They may not say it, most of them may have sufficient self-control to act like they're a relatively decent human being in the company of those they do not wish to keep the company of, at least for awhile, but once they no longer thing they risk being judged a racist, they show their true colors.

Then of course, you get the situations (like tea-party rallies) that bring the shitheads out of the woodworks, and bolstered by the overt displays of racism by those with less control than theirs, their dog-whistle screeds start to get closer and closer to overtness.

Who cares? If others are already engaging him, no dogpiling means you shut up. Unless you can raise entirely new points, which, quite frankly, you did not.

As far as I could tell, only Serafina was seriously engaging him and everybody else was attempting to stay on-topic or discussing Serafina's responses to him. But fine, if she's still going at him, I won't.

What, may I ask, is the actual limit of the number of posters who may be replying to one poster at a time? I'd like not to be called out on dogpiling again for a violation I did not realize I was committing.

He's a moron, but more than that he's advocating the exact kind of attitude and politics that make me want to hurt the person advocating them because they're so laughably, nigh-cartoonishly evil in practice.

You seem to suffer from a lack of maturity then. We do not settle our differences by hurting each other.

I didn't say I did hurt people, I just said I wanted to. All Internet Tough-Guyism is a manifestation of people getting so angry about something that they want to see someone hurt or suffer, but they don't do it.

It's not like this is a dispute over what color is superior, or where to go for dinner. The policies he is moronically advocating have very real consequences and dangers that will, if enacted, cause me personally very real harm. In that he is opposed to me, and I feel absolutely no compulsion whatsoever to "respect his opinion" on the topic, because his espoused policies pose clear and genuine danger to myself. It would be like a black guy in the early 1900s disagreeing with Jim Crow, but "respecting" the right of the people who enacted it there to support it.

Naieve, however, is not.

Okay, I missed one. My bad. It's not like the entire post was a gigantic blob of malformed and mashed-together quotes with serious errors wherein I spoke of one thing whilst obviously meaning to cite another thing and managed to melt words together in unnatural ways.

But, funnily enough, you didn't say anything about those misspellings. Whereas I fumbled one word and you felt the need to call me out on it; have you never missed one red squiggly underscore, Thanas?

[Serafina]

Shadowdragon, you are STILL lumping a whole bunch of people together just due to their origin and treat them like an uniform group while you condemn them all.
Arguing semantics won't change that - whether you discriminate due to race or origin doesn't fucking matter.
You are behaving EXACTLY like a racist right now.

[Spoonist]

Maybe because New Mexico has a very low pop of 2M, of which 44% is hispanics and 9% native americans?

[Serafina]

Maybe because New Mexico has a very low pop of 2M, of which 44% is hispanics and 9% native americans?

But it's in the south, so therefore they must be all racists!
Oh, wait - Shadowdragon propably thinks that non-white people can't be racists.

[Thanas]

Saying that the general person from the South is an asshole is not racism.

Saying that the general mexcan immigrant is a criminal is not racism

Enough said. In case you haven't noticed, there are quite a lot of people here from Texas, so I'll advise you to shut the heck up. Also, I have lived in the south. Apparently the persons I interacted with there in general, were all assholes.

Righto.

It's not racism. It is applying a prejudice based on cultural and regional location, yes, but it not racism any more than saying "Christian priests are all kiddy-fiddlers" is racism. Moreover, there have been more than one topic on this forum's past in which the very subject of the South being in general the way I have described, it was called out as unfairly generalizing, then proven to be an entirely fair if unkind generalization.

I haven't been racist. I have been proceeding under the presumption that people from the South are Shit-Until-Proven-Not-Shit, but that's not racism, it's cultural and regional discrimination; and not foundless discrimination, either.

Oh yes, my apologies, you are not a racist. You are a bigot. Feel better now, bigot?

As far as I could tell, only Serafina was seriously engaging him and everybody else was attempting to stay on-topic or discussing Serafina's responses to him. But fine, if she's still going at him, I won't.

What, may I ask, is the actual limit of the number of posters who may be replying to one poster at a time? I'd like not to be called out on dogpiling again for a violation I did not realize I was committing.[/qoute]

As far as you are concerned, thread-derailer par excellence, one is enough. You got your title for a reason - we hoped you would shut up, lurk more, eventually shape up. So far, you have proudly admitted to being a bigot. Nice work there.

But, funnily enough, you didn't say anything about those misspellings. Whereas I fumbled one word and you felt the need to call me out on it;

Funnily enough, those other posters apparently did not feel the need to act all tough-guy and macho when being called on their idiocies, they also did not feel the need to get all smarmy in response to a mod. And good work having derailed the thread further.

have you never missed one red squiggly underscore, Thanas?

In my third language, sure. In my first one? Not very likely.

[gizmojumpjet]

And I stand by them. "Joe Texan" would very much like to be able to snap his fingers and rid "his" space (whether it be his immediate vicinity, "his" state, or even "his" country) of everyone not like him.

I grow weary of your incessant smearing of me, my family, my friends, and all the other white Texans as racist xenophobes. I'm going to go ahead and invoke DR#5 here, since you have failed for over 24 hours to present evidence for your claim in your HoS'ed thread, and you have continued to make the same argument here.

The statements that you've made with which I take particular issue, and which I must demand you support with evidence, are as follows:

but is it really in doubt that if the average white guy in Texas and Arizona could snap their fingers and magically expel, be rid of, all the "other" from "their state," they'd snap those fingers in a split second?

"Joe Texan" would very much like to be able to snap his fingers and rid "his" space (whether it be his immediate vicinity, "his" state, or even "his" country) of everyone not like him.

You must provide evidence that the average Texan, and specifically as you've stated previously the average WHITE Texan, is a racist xenophobe who wants to establish Texas as a whites-only wonderland by expelling the "other." After failing to do so, I shall expect you to retract the claim and abstain from making it ever again. A sincere apology is also in order, but I won't hold my breath.

As I'm reasonably sure you're too fucking retarded to have actually read the board policies thread, I shall quote the relevant policy for you here as a courtesy:

Back Up Your Claims. If you make a contentious statement of fact and someone asks for evidence, you must either provide it or withdraw the claim. Do not call it "self evident", restate it in different words, force the other person to prove your claim is not true, or use other weasel techniques to avoid backing up your claims.

[Ghost Rider]

To preface, Thanas is right. You're not racist, you're a bigot. Sorry to lump as into one group of shitheads, so in the future we'll lump with the correct shithead category.

And I stand by them. "Joe Texan" would very much like to be able to snap his fingers and rid "his" space (whether it be his immediate vicinity, "his" state, or even "his" country) of everyone not like him.

So in your terminology, you lump most Texans as people of who are of an inhuman nature, and simply wish to be in their proper place. You present no evidence to such, but you are ascertain of this nature as you would that the sky is blue.

Does this mean every Texan is necessarily like this - of course not! I know damn well it's not true, and that eventually if you search Texas long enough you'll find a true blue genuine kind human being who never judges a soul by anything but their own deeds and welcomes everyone regardless of origins to be near him, and just happens to like wearing chaps and riding horses out on the range.

But you'll have to look damn hard to find him. Most Texans are racist xenophobes to one degree of rabidity or another who want never to be forced to interact with (in their minds 'viewing' is interacting) anyone unlike themselves. They may not say it, most of them may have sufficient self-control to act like they're a relatively decent human being in the company of those they do not wish to keep the company of, at least for awhile, but once they no longer thing they risk being judged a racist, they show their true colors.

I swear you missed out on being a Nazi. That screed alone could be changed ever so slightly to be associated with Blacks, Hispanics, whatever race of undesirables you want to paint a huge brush against to used as a reason they are not considered human. You do grasp this very bit is why anyone who is haranguing you is doing so?

Thanas covered the rest, but I felt these two need a bit more forefront since you've shown without a doubt you truly deserve said title.

[Serafina]

Even if MOST Texans were racist murderous fucktards Shadowdragons statement would STILL be unjustified. You can't just lump a bunch of people together because they are living in the same area - and of course because they have the same skin color, which Shadowdragon has ALSO been doing (he made that statement about white texans).

So i would actually call him a racist as well.