India to execute 4 rapists

[mr friendly guy]

In the end, I have no qualms about putting down a rabid animal that is guilty of vicious and deadly assault against people. But regardless of whether we're talking about a dog or a human being, anyone who takes pleasure in the process and doing what must be done needs a well deserved smack upside the head for being a sadistic fuck, like MFG was publicly doing.
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But people who laugh at the trial where they were found guilty of raping a girl to death where just "failed by society". Good to know they aren't sadistic fucks in your book.

Tell you what you self righteous shithead. Why don't you go and start giving "a well deserved smack upside the head" to every American who celebrated in the streets when they found out Bin Laden was killed. After all they are publicly being "sadistic fucks". There seem to be lots of them. You better get started right away.

[mr friendly guy]

You know what, Singular Intellect? I really don't mind in the least that MFG laughed at the guy who killed himself. When I'd learned that Ariel Castro had killed himself, I laughed. I pictured in my head him sitting in his cell as it slowly dawned on him that this was going to be his life from now on and the associated feeling of existential dread building until he couldn't take it anymore, and I took joy from this image; when I learned that he had probably died of autoerotic asphyxiation, I was disappointed. It is a completely natural thing to do. It has nothing to do with lack of empathy, in my case at least, and everything to do with lack of sympathy. My empathy for his victims simply outweighed my empathy for him.

Indeed. I also posted good riddance to bad rubbish on this board when I found out Ariel Castro also offed himself, although I would have preferred a full trial so all the truth can come out, but even the evidence already available was pretty damming.

I just like to add all those Americans who celebrated when they found out Bin Laden got killed were clearly "sadistic fucks" as well using claims of empathy for the 9/11 victims as cover for the expression of their sadism. Aren't we glad we have armchair psycologists like Singular Intellect making great pronouncements on our state our mind while high on psychoactive substances.

[Singular Intellect]

In the end, I have no qualms about putting down a rabid animal that is guilty of vicious and deadly assault against people. But regardless of whether we're talking about a dog or a human being, anyone who takes pleasure in the process and doing what must be done needs a well deserved smack upside the head for being a sadistic fuck, like MFG was publicly doing.

But people who laugh at the trial where they were found guilty of raping a girl to death where just "failed by society". Good to know they aren't sadistic fucks in your book.

The two states are not mutually exclusive. They can be sadistic fucks and also failed by society by virtue of being mentally unstable and damaged, hence why they (possibly) laughed. I say 'possibly' because before you were laughing at one of them for breaking down in tears at their sentence in the OP. Now they're all laughing at the whole thing according to your new source. This raises flags on what the real situation is and events ongoing are. Possibility of biased news sources and conflicting reports over such a emotionally charged situation? Naw, not possible!

If they are indeed laughing at the situation, this indicates obvious mental issuesc. Execution of the mentally ill, in other words.

Do you understand me, MFG? Laughing at the emotional trauma of others is indicative of not just being a sadistic fuck, but also being mentally damaged and unstable. Here, let me give you an example:

One of the defendents apparently broke down in tears. Heh heh heh.

Sadistic and possibly mentally damaged/unstable/ill to boot.

Tell you what you self righteous shithead. Why don't you go and start giving "a well deserved smack upside the head" to every American who celebrated in the streets when they found out Bin Laden was killed. After all they are publicly being "sadistic fucks". There seem to be lots of them. You better get started right away.

Starting with you will suffice for now. I'm well aware a large segment of the American population is delusional and fucked in the head. America is infamous for being highly religious, if you need a reminder on that little factoid.

[SMJB]

I'm not going to pretend I don't sincerely doubt most of those people dancing in the street at his death could empathize with bin Laden (though I do admit that in that specific case I have a very hard time blaming them for it) (nice low blow with the religion crack, by the way), but empathy and sympathy are two very different things.

Empathy means the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes--nothing more and nothing less. It means being able to understand, to comprehend, where someone is coming from and why they do what they do. It is entirely possible to understand someone, where they come from, the situations that shape them, even wonder if you had lived this life would you be any different...and still believe that they're an evil son of a bitch who needs to die painfully.

[Singular Intellect]

I'm not going to pretend I don't sincerely doubt most of those people dancing in the street at his death could empathize with bin Laden (though I do admit that in that specific case I have a very hard time blaming them for it) (nice low blow with the religion crack, by the way), but empathy and sympathy are two very different things.

Empathy means the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes--nothing more and nothing less. It means being able to understand, to comprehend, where someone is coming from and why they do what they do. It is entirely possible to understand someone, where they come from, the situations that shape them, even wonder if you had lived this life would you be any different...and still believe that they're an evil son of a bitch who needs to die painfully.

Explain why they need to die painfully or why any pleasure of any kind should be taken from the process. If I put down a rabid dog that mauled my kid, I would do so ruthlessly and without hesitation.

However, I would take no pleasure in doing so and have no interest in doing so in some kind of painful fashion. It will simply die quickly because it is a threat and will be dealt with that way. If I can treat animals that way, there is no reason I should treat human beings any less so. Simply because a human is being put down, so to speak, doesn't suddenly make the situation one where any kind of pleasure should be felt or special measure for inflicting pain upon the person.

If you truly derive any kind of enjoyment from it or desire to inflict pain for the sake of inflicting pain, yes, you are a sadistic, cruel and inhumane. The fact your actions are motivated via the existence of a victim or victims doesn't suddenly make it okay.

[SMJB]

I want to be clear that I'm not advocating a painful death for anyone, or even the death penalty in any form. I'm just saying that the emotion of wanting to do horrible, horrible things to someone like the four rapists in the original article is a perfectly natural, human emotion. We mustn't let emotions dictate our justice system--what happens in the halls of justice simply must be the realm of rationality, of course--but simply having these emotions is no sin.

[Singular Intellect]

I want to be clear that I'm not advocating a painful death for anyone, or even the death penalty in any form. I'm just saying that the emotion of wanting to do horrible, horrible things to someone like the four rapists in the original article is a perfectly natural, human emotion. We mustn't let emotions dictate our justice system--what happens in the halls of justice simply must be the realm of rationality, of course--but simply having these emotions is no sin.

I completely agree. I don't dispute such human emotions and knee jerk reactions are common human traits and I don't condemn anyone actually having them.

But it's one thing to have those emotions and reactions, quite another to act on them, defend them as 'reasonable' or publicly brag about them as if they are somehow a good thing. Which is what MFG is doing.

[SMJB]

Act on them? I somehow doubt that MFG has any power over the courts of India. Defend acting on them? Possibly, but not necessarily, and I don't think he's doing that. I don't recall this thread ever getting into his reasons for defending the death penalty, just his objections to others' reasons for opposing it. There are reasons to support the death penalty beyond simple bloodlust, you know. As for unapologetically reveling in these killers' predicament...quite frankly, so what? It simply doesn't offend me. Besides which, if I'm not going to object to someone having certain feelings about these objectively horrible people, how am I going to justify objecting to someone admitting to having them?

[Singular Intellect]

Act on them? I somehow doubt that MFG has any power over the courts of India. Defend acting on them? Possibly, but not necessarily, and I don't think he's doing that. I don't recall this thread ever getting into his reasons for defending the death penalty, just his objections to others' reasons for opposing it. There are reasons to support the death penalty beyond simple bloodlust, you know.

I've stated exactly that earlier in the thread. I'm pro DP myself, just not for what I perceive to be typical reasons.

As for unapologetically reveling in these killers' predicament...quite frankly, so what? It simply doesn't offend me. Besides which, if I'm not going to object to someone having certain feelings about these objectively horrible people, how am I going to justify objecting to someone admitting to having them?

First off, I didn't mean to say MFG was doing all three of the listed things I mentioned. Only the last one, which is bragging about such reactions by posting them publicly online.

Again, I don't have a problem with anyone having those feelings and reactions, and I don't have a problem with anyone admitting it either. What I do have a problem with is when it's correctly pointed out those aren't rational or morally positive positions, someone starts defending them as if they are. If someone pulls ITG shit online, I don't dispute they have the right to do so. I merely have the equal right to call it for what it is and in return don't expect them to actually sit there and pretend it isn't what it is.

In any situation where people get murdered, more people will get killed for it and there is pain and suffering going all around, pleasure and sadistic enjoyment of anything in the situation simply isn't acceptable. In some contexts, I can understand having those reactions and I can understand admitting to having those reactions. What I can't understand is defending those reactions on any rational or moral basis, and that is what I'm taking major issue with.

Does that make sense?

[mr friendly guy]

The two states are not mutually exclusive. They can be sadistic fucks and also failed by society by virtue of being mentally unstable and damaged, hence why they (possibly) laughed. I say 'possibly' because before you were laughing at one of them for breaking down in tears at their sentence in the OP. Now they're all laughing at the whole thing according to your new source. This raises flags on what the real situation is and events ongoing are. Possibility of biased news sources and conflicting reports over such a emotionally charged situation? Naw, not possible!

Ha ha ha. What a great humanitarian you are. Retarded Intellect has evidence that these guys are mentally unstable, knowledge which will prevent them from being executed. So why aren't you trying to put forward this evidence to the courts instead of pontificating here. Because you are so full of shit its coming out of your mouth. You can only insinuate this and that but when push comes to shove you have no case moron. Well aside from a pathetic appeal to motive fallacy that is.

Going on why are you reserving the vitriol for me who had has clearly done a lesser "crime". You never bothered to call them sadistic fucks for torturing a girl to death until I called you out on only doing it for me. Funny how that one works isn't it?

Once again you insinuate claims which you will never back up. Just like how the killers were victims. Fuck you still haven't even explained why you object to me labelling a dead man a coward at the same time saying who cares if he is? Clearly you do. But then you're stupid and a coward so its only to be expected. In fact you still haven't even explained why is it bad to call a dead man names. What is going to do? Commit suicide a second time? Give Retarded Intellect an A for stupidity and an A for intellectual cowardice. Going on, you aren't even trying to dispute he is a coward anymore after I ripped your self contradictory position to shreds.

BTW - why haven't you still stated that I have been failed by society for being mentally unstable using the same excuses you give the killers. Maybe because logically that would imply your attacks against me are misdirected and should be aimed at society instead, and that would kind of make you look stupid. Oh wait, too late.

If they are indeed laughing at the situation, this indicates obvious mental issuesc. Execution of the mentally ill, in other words.

Tell you what bozo, when you get your medical degree I might take your telepathic armchair psychology more seriously. So what medical diagnosis is laughing at these Fucker's a symptom of? Do tell. Maybe you can write a paper and submit it to peer review journal about your oh soooo awesome diagnostic criteria which consists of you wringing your hands in self righteous impotence.

Sadistic and possibly mentally damaged/unstable/ill to boot.

Oh noes, armchair psychology from a moron who thinks a person who laughs at misfortune is the same category as a rapist and murderer. Your goldmine statement early just tells me how far your head is up your arse. I would ask you justify that statement but I know you think your authorial fiat is justification enough.

Starting with you will suffice for now.

Ah, I deserve physical violence for laughing at criminals but the real violent criminals who laugh at their victims deserve fucking sympathy. What did I do that was worse. Aside from having the gall to question the wisdom of the eminent Retarded Intellect that is. And you wonder why I roll my eyes at the human rights losers. Asides from shitty arguments and all.

I'm well aware a large segment of the American population is delusional and fucked in the head. America is infamous for being highly religious, if you need a reminder on that little factoid.

So what do we call a shithead who thinks people who laugh at the misfortune at others is in the same category as murderers and rapists. Not delusional clearly. Just keep digging that hole loser.

In any situation where people get murdered, more people will get killed for it and there is pain and suffering going all around, pleasure and sadistic enjoyment of anything in the situation simply isn't acceptable. In some contexts, I can understand having those reactions and I can understand admitting to having those reactions. What I can't understand is defending those reactions on any rational or moral basis, and that is what I'm taking major issue with.

Just one problem. Your argument started that I called him a coward because your Jedi mind reading powers told me I wanted to torment him some more. After you acquitted yourself with such glory, ie failed to prove that you can only ASSUME you somehow won that part of the argument and hence you can simply state that I am defending a reaction I didn't have, ie wanting to torment him. But hey, Retarded Intellect can pretend I said this and that and concoct a nice speech around that.

BTW - if laughing at emotional trauma is irrational, why are you inflicting trauma on me you microcephalic hypocrite by name calling me on my obvious misfortune of being mentally unstable. Oh wait, its only irrational when I do it. Gotcha.

[mr friendly guy]

Oh by the way - why isn't Retarded Intellect calling for me to have rehabilitation for my obvious mental issues before deciding I must be punished by a smack to the head. Didn't you go onto a big spiel about how we must make all efforts to rehabilitate these people. Not very rational to hold a self contradictory position is it? But then it was never about the rationality of laughing at the misfortune of others, or not for very long anyway. It was because I had the gall to show how stupid Retarded Intellect is, so in some ways, I cop more flak that the criminals who are subjected to high amounts of apologism from him.

[Singular Intellect]

You're right, MFG. I shouldn't be too harsh on you because of your obvious mental unstability you yourself have agreed to suffer from.

In that case, by all means, continue your sadistic commentry regarding the condemned. I'll only start debating the point with those who aren't suffering any kind of mental illness. You have my sympathies, I was falsely assuming you weren't actually afflicted with that issue.

[mr friendly guy]

You're right, MFG. I shouldn't be too harsh on you because of your obvious mental unstability you yourself have agreed to suffer from.

Way to miss the point moron, but I see sarcasm isn't your strong point. Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? Let me hold your hand through this. I don't agree with your armchair psychology, however since you obviously believe I have a mental illness, one wonders why you aren't giving me the same treatment as those rapists who you also believe has a mental illness. Why aren't you saying I have been failed by society? Why aren't you calling for my rehab before calling for me to be assaulted, especially when you want these criminals to have all rehab options explored before execution?

The reason is you don't even believe in your own retarded lofty ideals. You are like the Buddhists pacifists who says that we should not even fire back at taunts from others, but we should also thank those people as they make us stronger. Then these same pacifists conveniently fire back at their political enemies. Besides showing them up for hypocrites, it does show they can't have it both ways.

You moron cannot have it both ways. Either I don't deserve to be physically assaulted because you haven't explored all rehab options for me or you concede the point about these criminals needing rehab options explored before execution.

But we both know you are a little chickshit who will avoid this point and run away. But your behaviour does demonstrate one thing. Despite your protestations about being Vulcan like, you obviously dislike me more than those who rape and murder and then laugh about it. This is why the human rights losers are a joke. Their opponents deserve more punishment than real criminals for having the gall to disagree with them. And also the fact you want to silence your opponents by smacking them in the head. So much for contest of ideas huh? What's that Retarded Intellect says. Contest of ideas. Puh. Just smack MFG in the head. Why bother with debating his points, especially when they're too hard to answer. Assaulting is so much easier isn't it?

In that case, by all means, continue your sadistic commentry regarding the condemned.

By all means, continue to lie and run away when challenged to prove this point even as I stated already they should be put down in the most humane way possible. Retarded Intellect is a liar. Say it ain't so boss.

I'll only start debating the point with those who aren't suffering any kind of mental illness. You have my sympathies, I was falsely assuming you weren't actually afflicted with that issue.

Debating the point? Are you trying your hand at being an amateur comedian? Because you seem to run away from points you can't answer or when I challenge to provide evidence or quote where I said something you alleged. In fact lets just start with this point which you continuously run away from. How can you dispute me labelling these guy a coward at the same time pontificating about who cares if he is a coward or not?

Oh I get it now. When you run away from points like a coward you use the face saving statement that you will only start debating the point with those who aren't mentally ill. How convenient.

[mr friendly guy]

The Singular Intellect method of debating.

1. Opening gambit - poison the well

Accuse your opponent being as bad as the rapists and murders they are criticising. Ignore the point that this just makes you look like a tool.

2. Ignore points you can't handle.

When the opponents asks you to quote where they said what you allege them to say, pretend really really really hard they never said it.

When they point out they already mentioned the opposite, ignore that to. It works for Creationists, it can work for you to.

3. Threaten physical violence on the opponent.

Not once, but at least twice just in case they missed it the first time.

4. Accuse them of not being able to handle criticism of their position.

Because nothing says ability to handle criticism more than threatening to bash your opponent's head in to silence them because they deserved it. No really, they do. Because you said so. So it must be true.

Remember folks, this isn't just the Singular Intellect way to moral and intellectual superiority, its the only way. Its the "grown up" world of Singular Intellect folks. We just happen to live in it.