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LadyTevar wrote: 2021-01-09 02:18pm As for Trump not calling a Press Conference, it's not because he doesn't know how. It's because as soon as he steps to the podium, all the reporters are going to be hard-ball. He's not going to be able to hide, lie, or misdirect; they're gonna eat him alive. And he knows it.
So true.

He's on his way out, so news outlets don't have to worry about getting a 'ban' from future presidential press conferences held by the Trump regime.

Combine with his attempt to hijack/steal the election, and his inciting a Coup'de'at, and his pending legal problems, he knows the press smells blood in the water, and would not hold back. It would be a feeding frenzy, and they'd cause him to lose his patience and temper, and then really, really incriminate himself.

I wish he would. I wish he'd get drunk, and call on, and then have to deal with it, and the fall out. Hopefully, he'd start confessing to stuff that he doesn't think is wrong/illegal, but that the DOJ would love for him to confess on live television.
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And Derrick Evans just resigned from the WV House of Delegates:

Derrick Evans resigns W.Va. House after entering U.S. Capitol with mob
WV METRONEWS wrote:Derrick Evans, facing federal charges for entering the U.S. Capitol with a mob, has resigned from West Virginia’s House of Delegates.

“I hereby resign as a member of the House of Delegates, effective immediately,” Evans said in a one-page letter submitted to Gov. Jim Justice and the House.

The House released another statement from Evans expressing regret.

“I take full responsibility for my actions, and deeply regret any hurt, pain or embarrassment I may have caused my family, friends, constituents and fellow West Virginians,” Evans stated.

“I hope this action I take today can remove any cloud of distraction from the state Legislature, so my colleagues can get to work in earnest building a brighter future for our state. And more importantly, I hope it helps to begin the healing process, so we can all move forward and come together as ‘One Nation, Under God.’”

The mob storming the U.S. Capitol disrupted the constitutional duty of counting Electoral College votes and prompted the evacuations of representatives, senators and Vice President Mike Pence. One woman was fatally shot while trying to climb into the chambers, three others died from “medical emergencies” and 50 police officers were injured. Capitol Police announced one police officer died of injuries sustained during the riot.

Evans, a Republican from Wayne County just sworn into House of Delegates, has contended he was videoing history and was swept along with the crowd. But his own video depicts him calling out “Move! Move!” before going through the Capitol door, as security alarms blare.

He was set to be a first-time officeholder. He placed first in a two-member district in the most recent General Election, with 8,227 votes.

Evans swore to uphold the Constitution last month. All delegates state this oath: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of West Virginia, and faithfully discharge the duties of Senator (or Delegate) according to the best of my ability.”

Several of his fellow Republicans, including Delegates Steve Westfall of Jackson County, Ben Queen of Harrison County, Joshua Higginbotham of Putnam County and Jason Barrett of Berkeley County, publicly said Evans should resign or be forced out.


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House Speaker Roger Hanshaw, R-Clay, today described the events in Washington, D.C., as appalling. He indicated he is glad Evans resigned.

“Delegate Evans was unfortunately a part of the events this week that threatened what has historically made America a beacon for the rest of the world: the peaceful transfer of power. Earlier today, Delegate Evans made the decision to resign from his position in the West Virginia House of Delegates. Now, we return to the work of rebuilding our nation’s political climate,” Hanshaw stated.

“In announcing his resignation, Delegate Evans said accepted responsibility for his actions and apologized to those he’s hurt. In this time of overheated, hyperbolic political rage, I think that’s a good first step for us all to take right now.”

The Legislature is set to convene next Wednesday for a one-day session to select leadership and set rules. Lawmakers were already anticipating a motion and vote to expel Evans.

Instead, Hanshaw stated, delegates may begin hard work on the many challenging issues facing the state. The Legislature convenes for a full 60-day session on Feb. 10.

“It’s time to turn the page; it’s time for us to move on; it’s time for us to heal,” Hanshaw stated.

“We have a tremendous amount of work ahead of us, from dealing with a rampaging pandemic, healing an economy wounded by shutdowns, helping those whose livelihoods have been destroyed, getting our kids back into classrooms and giving them a quality education, finding new ways to open up job opportunities and investment in our state, and continuing our work to truly make West Virginia the best place to live, work and raise a family. And the Legislature only gets 60 days to accomplish this.”

Evans was arrested Friday and faces two federal charges after sweeping into the U.S. Capitol with a mob this week.

Two federal misdemeanors are both punishable with fines and potential jail time: entering a restricted public building and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.

After a short federal court hearing Friday afternoon, he was released on a personal recognizance bond.

A charge of entering restricted government buildings is a misdemeanor, punishable by fines and up to a year in prison. However, the punishment could increase significantly if “the offense results in significant bodily harm.”

The charge applies to buildings where anyone protected by the Secret Service is visiting or buildings with an event of national significance.

A second charge, violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, is also a misdemeanor with a possible punishment of six months jail time.

An affidavit from FBI agent David DiMarco indicates the investigator relied heavily on the copy of Evans’ own video, comparing the voice to the voice in Evans’ videos promoting his campaign for state office. The agent also relied on Evans’ enthusiastic identification of himself.

In videos of the crowds outside, leading up to the Capitol entry, Evans narrated that “They’re making an announcement now saying if Pence betrays us you better get your mind right because we’re storming the building.”

The FBI agent described Evans as laughing and saying, “I’m just the messenger so don’t be hating on me.”

Evans wound up in a crowd outside a Capitol door. In that video, less than 30 seconds in, Evans says “There we go! Open the door” before beginning to shout “Our house! Our house!”

Ten seconds later, he notes law enforcement as an obstacle: “We’re at the door now. There’s cops inside stopping us now.”

The FBI agent describes Evans, a minute and a half into the video shouting “the door is cracked!” as individuals in the front of the crowd appear to successfully pry open the door and begin entering.

Ten seconds after that, Evans shouts, “We’re in! We’re in!”

The video shows a crowd surging through a Capitol door, past security, while an alarm repeatedly blares. As Evans enters an area called National Statuary Hall he celebrates and states his own name: “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” At another point, he turns the camera on himself, wearing a motorcycle helmet.

In a Facebook post on his “Derrick Evans — The Activist” page, Evans said he was on a bus traveling home to West Virginia after the event and said he had acted as “an independent member of the media to film history.”

“I want to assure you all that I did not have any negative interactions with law enforcement nor did I participate in any destruction that may have occurred,” he stated.

In a statement issued Thursday evening, a lawyer for Evans made that same argument.

The three-page statement by attorney John H. Bryan of Union described Evans as an activist and “journalist” who was documenting the day’s events while being swept along in a crowd.

“Given the sheer size of the group walking in, Evans had no choice but to enter,” Bryan wrote. “Evans continued to film once inside. His footage showed that members of the public were already inside the Capitol by the time he entered. Evans’ footage shows no riotous behavior taking place at that time. Protesters can be seen calmly walking around.”

In a news release issued Saturday, the U.S. Department of Justice described it this way instead:

“Derrick Evans, 35, of West Virginia, was charged with one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol Grounds. Evans was taken into custody Friday.

“It is alleged that on Jan. 6, 2021, Evans, a recently elected member of the West Virginia House of Delegates, streamed live to his Facebook page a video of himself joining and encouraging a crowd unlawfully entering the U.S. Capitol. In the video, Evans is allegedly seen crossing the threshold of the doorway into the U.S. Capitol and shouting, ‘We’re in, we’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!'”
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oh the ever popular:

“I take full responsibility for my actions, and deeply regret any hurt, pain or embarrassment I may have caused my family, friends, constituents and fellow West Virginians,” Evans stated.

because these days people can't ACTUALLY admit to screwing up, but only to the "possibility" they "may
have inflicted harm on someone
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Oh, not harm on "anyone", but on *his people*. Injury or harm to "other" was intentional and for that he does not apologize.
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AMAZON BOOTS PARLER OFF AWS!
CNN wrote:Parler has now been booted by Amazon, Apple and Google, and it may have to go offline temporarily

Parler, the alternative social media platform favored by conservatives, now finds itself virtually homeless on the internet as Amazon (AMZN), Apple (AAPL) and Google (GOOGL) have all booted it from their platforms in a span of a little more than 24 hours.

Amazon will remove Parler from its cloud hosting service, Amazon Web Services, Sunday evening, effectively kicking it off of the public internet after mounting pressure from the public and Amazon employees.
The decision, which goes into force on Sunday at 11:59 p.m. Pacific time, will shut down Parler's website and app until it can find a new hosting provider. BuzzFeed News was first to report the move. Parler is an alternative social network popular with conservatives and has been heavily used by supporters of President Donald Trump, including some who participated in Wednesday's US Capitol unrest.
In a letter obtained by CNN Business that was sent to Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff on Saturday, Amazon Web Services said that in recent weeks it has reported 98 examples to Parler of "posts that clearly encourage and incite violence." The letter includes screenshots of several examples.
"We've seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms," AWS wrote. "It's clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service."
The letter continued: "AWS provides technology and services to customers across the political spectrum, and we continue to respect Parler's right to determine for itself what content it will allow on its site. However, we cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others. Because Parler cannot comply with our terms of service and poses a very real risk to public safety, we plan to suspend Parler's account."
The sweep threatens to cut Parler off from its entire audience. Not only will new users be unable to find Parler on the internet's two largest app stores, even those who've already downloaded the app will be unable to use it because it will be unable to communicate with Parler's servers on AWS.
Indeed, Parler CEO John Matze warned that the deplatforming could lead to service interruptions.
After Amazon boots the company from its web hosting service, Parler's website could be offline for as long as a week while "we rebuild from scratch," Matze said in a post on his platform.
"We will try our best to move to a new provider right now as we have many competing for our business," Matze continued.
Matze accused Amazon of trying to "completely remove free speech off the internet."
The revelation of Amazon's decision came soon after Apple removed Parler from its app store.
"[T]here is no place on our platform for threats of violence and illegal activity," the iPhone maker said of its move.
Apple notified Parler of its decision in a message that said it had violated the company's app store terms.
"The processes Parler has put in place to moderate or prevent the spread of dangerous and illegal content have proved insufficient," Apple told Parler. "Specifically, we have continued to find direct threats of violence and calls to incite lawless action in violation of Guideline 1.1 - Safety - Objectionable Content."
Apple's notice said Parler's responses to an earlier warning were inadequate, including Parler's defense that it had been taking violent rhetoric on its platform "very seriously for weeks" and that it had a moderation plan "for the time being," according to Apple.
"Parler has not taken adequate measures to address the proliferation of these threats to people's safety," Apple said in a statement to CNN Business. "We have suspended Parler from the App Store until they resolve these issues."
Apple's decision followed a similar move by Google on Friday to drop Parler from the Google Play Store.
Matze wrote in a message on his platform that Apple "will be banning Parler until we give up free speech, institute broad and invasive policies like Twitter and Facebook and we become a surveillance platform by pursuing guilt of those who use Parler before innocence."
"They claim it is due to violence on the platform," Matze wrote of Apple, whom he also accused of being a "software monopoly," a particularly relevant attack right now given an ongoing antitrust suit against Apple from Fortnite maker Epic Games. "The community disagrees as we hit number 1 on their store today."
Matze promised to share "more details about our next plans coming soon as we have many options."
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Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Parler is dead. There aren't any platforms large enough to host them that will be willing to touch anything that toxic.
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Jub wrote: 2021-01-10 12:37am Parler is dead. There aren't any platforms large enough to host them that will be willing to touch anything that toxic.
Yeah the thing is (and what these thugs probably won't get) that Amazon, Google and Apple are in the end for profit companies and will never choose "free speech" over profit and potentially loosing millions of users (not mention possible lawsuits) is too much of loss of potential profit for those companies to allow.

Also the same is true for any semi successful ISP, so what Parler is left is the few platforms who value to ideals over profit so heavily that they're more or less willing to loose everyone but the extreme right wing customers (and needless to say those companies don't tend to be that large).
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Jub wrote: 2021-01-10 12:37am Parler is dead. There aren't any platforms large enough to host them that will be willing to touch anything that toxic.
It's the same path any "free speech" platform follows. They putter along quietly for a while, not generating much attention. Then something thrusts the spotlight on them. Then businesses critical for the platforms continued existence find themselves unable to pretend they don't know about it, so they cut ties.
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Lord Revan wrote: 2021-01-10 01:21am
Jub wrote: 2021-01-10 12:37am Parler is dead. There aren't any platforms large enough to host them that will be willing to touch anything that toxic.
Yeah the thing is (and what these thugs probably won't get) that Amazon, Google and Apple are in the end for profit companies and will never choose "free speech" over profit and potentially loosing millions of users (not mention possible lawsuits) is too much of loss of potential profit for those companies to allow.

Also the same is true for any semi successful ISP, so what Parler is left is the few platforms who value to ideals over profit so heavily that they're more or less willing to loose everyone but the extreme right wing customers (and needless to say those companies don't tend to be that large).
bilateralrope wrote: 2021-01-10 01:35am
Jub wrote: 2021-01-10 12:37am Parler is dead. There aren't any platforms large enough to host them that will be willing to touch anything that toxic.
It's the same path any "free speech" platform follows. They putter along quietly for a while, not generating much attention. Then something thrusts the spotlight on them. Then businesses critical for the platforms continued existence find themselves unable to pretend they don't know about it, so they cut ties.
In this case, I agree with these bans specifically due to the violence platforms like Parler are promoting. However, it is worrying that they could go after anything and there wouldn't be any recourse. Stuff like the proposed SISEA (Stop Internet Sexual Exploitation Act), FOSTA, DMCA, all cause more harm than good for people just trying to make a living online.
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I suspect that Twitter, Google and Apple consider this a nuclear option, as I said they're in the end for profit companies and thus wouldn't want to enact bans that would do more harm to their profit margins in the long term, the general public will probably forget Parler exists by 2022, hell I didn't know it existed before I read about it on this thread, while going too ban happy high cause an exodus of users and thus empower their competitors which is what those companies don't want.

Which is also probably why Amazon allowed Parler to remain until they felt keeping them was more harm then it was worth, in real life large companies don't do things just to score "villainy points".
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Jub wrote: 2021-01-10 01:42am In this case, I agree with these bans specifically due to the violence platforms like Parler are promoting. However, it is worrying that they could go after anything and there wouldn't be any recourse.
As private companies those entities have always been able to ban/remove any content or platform they don't like. They don't, because reducing their customer base reduces profits.

As mentioned, this is a nuclear option.

Also, I'm assuming the folks running those companies have some brain cells. Imagine what would happen if Trump succeed in his coup. He was already lobbying to hold people hosting things on the internet to be legally liable for things he doesn't like - what would happen if he gained control? This is also an act of self-preservation for these companies who know very well they'd be targets if Trump was dictator.

The chucklefucks clinging to Parler are free to set up their own hosting services just like the founders of Google and Amazon did and build their business from scratch. No one is denying them their right to express themselves, they're just withdrawing support for notions they don't agree with.

Oh, it's hard to set up you own hosting service? Boo-fucking-hoo.
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I think one the major reasons why this "revolution" will fail is that the people doing it want to overthrow the government but don't want to be inconvenienced while doing so, so they get upset and rant when the government has the audacity to object to being overthrown but the Trumpists aren't willing to do anything that would actually put themselves at risk.

They want to glory and admiration of being "true patriots" but they're unwilling to go thru the struggle that American forces went thru during the war of independence (or even what soldiers went thru during the Civil War).
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Lord Revan wrote: 2021-01-10 06:22am I think one the major reasons why this "revolution" will fail is that the people doing it want to overthrow the government but don't want to be inconvenienced while doing so, so they get upset and rant when the government has the audacity to object to being overthrown but the Trumpists aren't willing to do anything that would actually put themselves at risk.

They want to glory and admiration of being "true patriots" but they're unwilling to go thru the struggle that American forces went thru during the war of independence (or even what soldiers went thru during the Civil War).
Well-off middle class are rarely desperate enough to risk everything for the sake of revolution. They only did what they did in storming the capitol because they all thought they will get away with it.

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Lord Revan wrote: 2021-01-10 06:22am I think one the major reasons why this "revolution" will fail is that the people doing it want to overthrow the government but don't want to be inconvenienced while doing so, so they get upset and rant when the government has the audacity to object to being overthrown but the Trumpists aren't willing to do anything that would actually put themselves at risk.

They want to glory and admiration of being "true patriots" but they're unwilling to go thru the struggle that American forces went thru during the war of independence (or even what soldiers went thru during the Civil War).
Honestly, I think a bigger part of their inability is the lack of coherent leadership. Trump isn't a leader, he's an instigator (and it's important to remember that most of the hardcore white supremacists do NOT LIKE Trump, because of his cozy connections with Israel, they only view him as a means to an ends). And the crowd of people in DC was divided into several different factions, all with slightly different goals, and no one influential/charismatic person who is in a position to unite/energize/focus them. For example, some proportion of the insurrectionists are white supremacists who actively want to create a fascist regime, but they don't have a coherent leadership structure and are themselves balkanized into a dozen or so different groups that tend to squabble amongst themselves over petty bullshit. Then there are the sovereign citizens and militia members, who make up another big chunk of the crowd, but who are ideologically opposed to even the idea of having a central leadership (seriously, if you trawl their forums any time someone mentions that they need leadership they get shot down with "That's not what we are all about, then we are just as bad as the Dems" and so on). The rest of the crowd were just angry morons whipped up into a frenzy without any particular agenda, and quickly lose steam without anybody that could successfully channel their anger.

Basically, we are just lucky that this insurrection doesn't have a Hitler or other charismatic grassroots leader with the ability to take the reins and move them in any particular direction.
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Parler may not stay dead that long. All they need to do is move to a foreign webservice, and they'll be back up.

Of course, the question is, how would it's users react to it being hosted in say, China?
I've been asked why I still follow a few of the people I know on Facebook with 'interesting political habits and view points'.

It's so when they comment on or approve of something, I know what pages to block/what not to vote for.
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Solauren wrote: 2021-01-10 11:20am Parler may not stay dead that long. All they need to do is move to a foreign webservice, and they'll be back up.

Of course, the question is, how would it's users react to it being hosted in say, China?
I doubt they would notice. Though my question is: Would China allow it ?
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bilateralrope wrote: 2021-01-10 01:49pm
Solauren wrote: 2021-01-10 11:20am Parler may not stay dead that long. All they need to do is move to a foreign webservice, and they'll be back up.

Of course, the question is, how would it's users react to it being hosted in say, China?
I doubt they would notice. Though my question is: Would China allow it ?
China might not, but Russia?
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Arnold Schwarzenegger holds a good speech about what happened:
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/stat ... 1284874240

I'm sorry, but I could not find it on youtube, so it's a link to twitter.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote: 2021-01-10 09:39am
I think one the major reasons why this "revolution" will fail is that the people doing it want to overthrow the government but don't want to be inconvenienced while doing so, so they get upset and rant when the government has the audacity to object to being overthrown but the Trumpists aren't willing to do anything that would actually put themselves at risk.
Yes. One of their number gets shot and the mob stops advancing - OMG! You mean we don't have Plot Armor?!?
Lord Revan wrote: 2021-01-10 06:22amHonestly, I think a bigger part of their inability is the lack of coherent leadership. Trump isn't a leader, he's an instigator (and it's important to remember that most of the hardcore white supremacists do NOT LIKE Trump, because of his cozy connections with Israel, they only view him as a means to an ends). And the crowd of people in DC was divided into several different factions, all with slightly different goals, and no one influential/charismatic person who is in a position to unite/energize/focus them. For example, some proportion of the insurrectionists are white supremacists who actively want to create a fascist regime, but they don't have a coherent leadership structure and are themselves balkanized into a dozen or so different groups that tend to squabble amongst themselves over petty bullshit.
There was a time in the US when the White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis were organized under charismatic leadership (from approximately the 1950's to 1970's or so).. but they were broken up, leaders jailed, etc. because, of course, being Nazi shits they couldn't help but commit crimes. After that, they moved to more of a "cell" organization which is leaderless by nature - hence the current situation with small groups squabbling amongst each other. Problem is, if there DOES arise a charismatic leader they could potentially be united again.
Lord Revan wrote: 2021-01-10 06:22am Basically, we are just lucky that this insurrection doesn't have a Hitler or other charismatic grassroots leader with the ability to take the reins and move them in any particular direction.
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Solauren wrote: 2021-01-10 11:20am Parler may not stay dead that long. All they need to do is move to a foreign webservice, and they'll be back up.

Of course, the question is, how would it's users react to it being hosted in say, China?
They're already in bed with the Russians whether they know it or not - no reason the rank-and-file would even need to know such a thing.
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Solauren wrote: 2021-01-10 11:20am Parler may not stay dead that long. All they need to do is move to a foreign webservice, and they'll be back up.

Of course, the question is, how would it's users react to it being hosted in say, China?
Pardon my ignorance, but why a foreign webservice?

I would think that a rich enough benefactor could set it all up in the US, and just shout "freedom of speech!"
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Gandalf wrote: 2021-01-10 04:23pm
Solauren wrote: 2021-01-10 11:20am Parler may not stay dead that long. All they need to do is move to a foreign webservice, and they'll be back up.

Of course, the question is, how would it's users react to it being hosted in say, China?
Pardon my ignorance, but why a foreign webservice?

I would think that a rich enough benefactor could set it all up in the US, and just shout "freedom of speech!"
Maybe someone could do that if they had enough money. If they didn't care about the backlash to being identified as the benefactor.

More likely they create some new "free speech" platform that doesn't attract as much scrutiny for a while, before it blows up and gets squashed. Parler wasn't the first to follow this course. It won't be the last.
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Gandalf wrote: 2021-01-10 04:23pmI would think that a rich enough benefactor could set it all up in the US, and just shout "freedom of speech!"
If claiming 1st Amendment protection was enough to cover this shitshow, Twitter wouldn't have taken the hit in ad revenue that kicking Trump off their platform entails. Organising literal armed revolt is the point where even just knowing it was going on but not acting against it would have the FBI and/or Secret Service agents showing up in person demanding to know the reason why. Someone openly stepping up and offering to pay for an alternative platform to carry on doing it will be treated as an outright accomplice.

In fact, I'd be surprised if Russia wanted any part in keeping Parler up and running either. Propaganda and disinformation are one thing, but being seen to be directly aiding and abetting an insurrection is a good way to start a war.
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Gandalf wrote: 2021-01-10 04:23pm
Solauren wrote: 2021-01-10 11:20am Parler may not stay dead that long. All they need to do is move to a foreign webservice, and they'll be back up.

Of course, the question is, how would it's users react to it being hosted in say, China?
Pardon my ignorance, but why a foreign webservice?

I would think that a rich enough benefactor could set it all up in the US, and just shout "freedom of speech!"
A server based in the US can be served with a search warrant. Telling the feds to piss off when they've got a search warrant? They'll probably just come and take your shit and charge your ass with obstruction. A server in China? The Chinese government won't give a trace of a shit if the US says "Please hand over the contents of this server." Same story with Russia and a whole host of other nations that don't especially like us. Don't get me wrong, China loves trade with the US. It's lucrative as hell. Doesn't mean they're anything resembling friends.
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