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Glocksman wrote:In the Chicago Sun-Times, there's a column by Thomas Lipscomb quoting an expert in the field.
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Bouffard said the CBS documents appear to have been copied about 10 times in the state he saw them. Nevertheless, he states, "All the documents have been created on the same printer. And the proportional spacing and the common characteristics of numbers like 4 and 7 and letters like lower case c and upper case G are beyond the capabilities of any of the typewriter impact specimens I have in my collection. The centering of headings is also beyond the capabilities of any typewriter I know of."
In other words, he's working from shit copies.

As far as centering the headings - no, typewriters can't do that. That's why you learn to do it as a human being in Typing 101!

This guy is an "expert"? He may have a collection of typewriters, he may have lots of forensic knowldge, but he sure as hell never took a typing class!!!
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Talon Karrde wrote:If CBS is so sure about the autheticity of these docouments, why not release the names of those experts who have proven their authenticity and their reasons for doing so. Just because Dan Rather comes out and says, "We stand by our story," proves nothing. If he wants to eliminate any cause for doubt, why not prove it? If they could prove their authenticity to put them on air, why would it be so hard to prove it now?
If the Bush campaign is so sure about the autheticity of Bush's military service, why not release the names of those officers who actually served with Bush and can prove the authenticity of his duty tour. Just because Dan Bartlett comes out and says, "We stand by the President's record," proves nothing. If Bush wants to eliminate any cause for doubt, why not prove it? If he could prove the authenticity of his military record to campaign as a "war president", why would it be so hard to prove it now?

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Durandal wrote:Once it's confirmed that these documents could have originated from a 1970's typewriter (or that they actually did), the burden of proof for everyone claiming forgery shoots sky-high. Things like improper signature blocks and the use of periods in acronyms aren't anywhere near enough on their own to discredit a document, especially when the author of said documents was not a very good typist, according to his immediate family. They're nitpicks that can simply be explained by human error.
And the fact that he would have been signing his name over the same format signature block through most of his career, means that he wouldn't know how to make it? The fact that it looks wrong would mean that he would probably have fixed it. Given that the Col. Killian was a pilot, attention to detail is a requirement, and since he reached the rank of Lt. Col., he obviously succeeded at practicing it. And since Lt. Col. rank takes around 12 years(possibly more), he should know what format everything should be in.

And you're claiming that someone who doesn't really know how to type would go and try typing something on what is a more complex machine, when there is another less complex machine available. And someone who is a hunt and peck typist would go and use all the complex features on that machine like superscripted th, or smart quotes(if such a thing existed).
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Beowulf wrote:And the fact that he would have been signing his name over the same format signature block through most of his career, means that he wouldn't know how to make it? The fact that it looks wrong would mean that he would probably have fixed it. Given that the Col. Killian was a pilot, attention to detail is a requirement, and since he reached the rank of Lt. Col., he obviously succeeded at practicing it. And since Lt. Col. rank takes around 12 years(possibly more), he should know what format everything should be in.
And if the documents are confirmed to have originated from a 1970's era typewriter, none of this means a god damn thing. As I said before, it's easily attributable to human error and inconsistency.
And you're claiming that someone who doesn't really know how to type would go and try typing something on what is a more complex machine, when there is another less complex machine available. And someone who is a hunt and peck typist would go and use all the complex features on that machine like superscripted th, or smart quotes(if such a thing existed).
See above. The guy's dead at this point, so it's impossible to know what type-ball he used or how diligent he was with his typing, or even what was going through his head when he wrote those memos. However, if the documents are shown to be authentic (and they probably are), the burden of proof rests on the conspiracy theorists to definitely show that those documents could not have possibly been typed by Killian.

Right now, the only thing that will meet the burden of proof that lies on the conspiracy theorists have is to show that those documents could not have been typed on a 1970's typewriter. The big piece of evidence behind this claim is the whole "font" thing. But looky looky, here's an example of the IBM Executive series' output ...

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Is that another forgery as well? I could do the same thing in Microsoft Word!

Then there's the small detail that the you could order any font produced by IBM for the Executive and special keys as well, which contained the superscripted "th".

So what we have is initial objections based on factually incorrect claims and a bunch of bloggers jizzing themselves over having "exposed" a forgery by "perfectly reproducing" the documents in Microsoft Word. Somehow I don't think that CBS has a whole lot to worry about.
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I love this right-wingnut logic: "if it could possibly have been made in Microsoft Word, it must have been made in Microsoft Word". Too bad there isn't a stronger word for "fallacy".
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Broomstick wrote: As far as centering the headings - no, typewriters can't do that. That's why you learn to do it as a human being in Typing 101!
How does one manually center proportionatly spaced fonts? And could a "hunt and peck" typist reasonably be expected to do it? (Honest question, I've never worked with a typewriter).
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It would appear that everybody who's too young to have used a typewriter simply assumes that all documents looked like shit before computers came along. You eyeball it.

Honestly, some of the kids today have no idea how many things used to be done with the Mark 1 Eyeball.

PS. And to be blunt, what difference does it make? The key information is in the DoD documents anyway; the "60 minutes" memos could turn out to be complete forgeries and most of the damning revelations of the last week would still be true.
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Darth Wong wrote:PS. And to be blunt, what difference does it make?
To the investigation of Bush's guard service? None (ideally).

However, the alledged forgery is important in it's own right. Assuming for a moment that the documents are forgeries, there is the distinct possibility that someone leaked those documents either to discredit a presidential candidate or to discredit real evidence against the fitness of said presidential candidate; in addition, a major news agency would be severly lax in its fact checking. It seems to be rather important. (pun)
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mediamatters.org wrote:Forgery feeding frenzy: Media falling afoul of the facts

In an effort to obscure overwhelming evidence that President George W. Bush failed to fulfill his duty in the Air National Guard, conservatives have initiated the claim -- now echoed widely by the media -- that memos revealed by CBS News' 60 Minutes on September 8 -- and purportedly written by one of Bush's commanders in 1972 and 1973 -- are fake. The memos, if authentic, provide additional evidence that Bush was given preferential treatment and ignored a direct order. The case for their authenticity is strong.

Forgery evidence dubious

On September 9, Conservative media sources including L. Brent Bozell III's Cybercast News Service, Internet gossip Matt Drudge, The Weekly Standard's Stephen F. Hayes and FOX News Channel's Special Report with Brit Hume followed right-wing bloggers in detailing evidence to support the claim that the documents were forged. On September 10, The Washington Post, ABC News, and The New York Times outlined elements of the documents that raised questions about their authenticity.

But these questions do not withstand scrutiny; there is solid evidence to support the authenticity of the documents, and reporters have often failed to note plausible explanations for the apparent anomalies. For example, Salon.com's Eric Boehlert noted in a September 10 article that a close examination of the documents reveals characteristics not found in word processing documents. Marty Heldt, an independent researcher Boehlert cited, "notes that when [Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B.] Killian's [alleged author of the documents] Aug. 14, 1973, memo is enlarged and the word 'interference' is examined, it's clear the two middle e's rest higher on the page than the other two e's; that is not something a modern-day word processor would likely do."

Meanwhile, in response to questions raised about the veracity of the memos, CBS News released a statement on September 9 defending their authenticity. According to the statement, the documents were "backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but by sources familiar with their content." One senior CBS official told The Washington Post that CBS reporters confirmed the memos authenticity with Major General Bobby Hodges, whose name appears in one of the memos:

A senior CBS official, who asked not to be named because CBS managers did not want to go beyond their official statement, named one of the network's sources as retired Maj. Gen. Bobby W. Hodges, the immediate superior of the documents' alleged author, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. He said a CBS reporter read the documents to Hodges over the phone, and Hodges replied that "these are the things that Killian had expressed to me at the time."

"These documents represent what Killian not only was putting in memoranda, but was telling other people," the CBS News official said. "Journalistically, we've gone several extra miles."

EXHIBIT A: Superscript was available

Many news outlets and conservative publications have falsely reported that the documents' "use of the superscripted letters 'th' in phrases such as 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" raise suspicion because 1970s-era typewriters were incapable of producing such letters. In fact, journalist and weblogger Joshua Micah Marshall has pointed out that superscripted letters appear on other documents in Bush's military file that are known to be authentic. Moreover, IBM released a typewriter in the 1960s, the Selectric II, which was capable of producing superscript type.

• The Washington Post: Other anomalies in the documents include the use of the superscripted letters "th" in phrases such as 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Bush's unit. [9/9/04]

• ABC News: The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters. [9/9/04]

• Cybercast News Service: But the use of the superscript "th" in one document -- "111th F.I.S" -- gave each expert pause. They said that is an automatic feature found in current versions of Microsoft Word, and it's not something that was even possible more than 30 years ago. [9/9/04]

• The New York Times: Farrell C. Shiver, a forensic document examiner based in Georgia who said he was a Republican, said the superscript "th's" throughout the memos were "something you would expect to find being done with a computer" and were "not consistent with something that you would expect to find from someone typing a document; they used typewriters in that particular time." [9/10/04]

• National Review White House correspondent Byron York: And they used -- the t-h in it is in a smaller script and it's raised. ... And this is something that everyone says was just not done on typewriters. [FOX News Channel, Special Report with Brit Hume, 9/9/04]

• Weekly Standard staff writer and author Stephen F. Hayes: n some references to Bush's unit -- the 111thFighter Interceptor Squadron -- the "th" is a superscript in a smaller size than the other type. Again, this is typical (and often done automatically) in modern word processing programs. Although several experts allow that such a rendering might have been theoretically possible in the early 1970s, it would have been highly unlikely. Superscripts produced on typewriters--the numbers preceding footnotes in term papers, for example--were almost always in the same size as the regular type. [The Weekly Standard, 9/9/04]

• FOX News Channel host Steve Doocy: Also after 111, the number, there is a little "th," that's something that Microsoft Word does automatically. It would have been impossible to do back in the '70s. [FOX News Channel, FOX & Friends, 9/10/04]

• John Podhoretz (author, New York Post columnist, and FOX News Channel contributor): The documents contain such features as superscript lettering, which is done automatically by Microsoft Word. [Podhoretz column, New York Post, 9/10/04]

EXHIBIT B: Proportional spacing was available

Another widely reported claim against the authenticity of the 60 Minutes documents is that their use of so-called proportional spacing -- a typesetting method in which varying letters occupy varying widths on the line, such as an "i" occupying less space than a "w." Press accounts have cited many so-called "experts" claiming that typewriters with this feature was rare and would not have been in wide use in the Guard in the 1970s. But in fact, typewriters with proportional spacing had been available since 1941, when IBM introduced the first model. Typewriter advertisements from 1953 and 1954 suggest the feature was widely available. President Richard Nixon's official letter of resignation from 1974 used proportional spacing, as do many White House documents from the 1960s available on an online archive.

• ABC News: The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard. [9/10/04]

• Byron York: This is -- you can just see the typescript here. And there have been questions about whether this is proportional fonting, as opposed -- which is something that most typewriters didn't do in the early 1970s. Although some did. [FOX News Channel, Special Report with Brit Hume, 9/9/04]

• Cybercast News Service: Three independent typography experts told CNSNews.com they were suspicious of the documents from 1972 and 1973 because they were typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program. [9/9/04]

• The Washington Post: William Flynn, a forensic document specialist with 35 years of experience in police crime labs and private practice, said the CBS documents raise suspicions because of their use of proportional spacing techniques. ... While IBM had introduced an electric typewriter that used proportional spacing by the early 1970s, it was not widely used in government. [9/10/04]

• Stephen F. Hayes: There are several reasons these experts are skeptical of the authenticity of the Killian memos. First the typographic spacing is proportional, as is routine with professional typesetting and computer typography, not monospace, as was common in typewriters in the 1970s. [The Weekly Standard, 9/9/04]

• FOX News Channel host Steve Doocy: [A]pparently, that document, according to number of experts, looks as if it was generated by a Microsoft Word software program. Of course there was no Microsoft Word back in 1970. Some of the different things: the way that every letter is proportional -- back in the day. For instance, back in the '70, as typewriter the letter I would take up the same amount of space as the letter M. In this particular document it's all -- it is nice and neat the way Microsoft does it. [FOX News Channel, FOX & Friends, 9/10]

EXHIBIT C: Apostrophe was available

Several media outlets and conservative pundits have suggested that the apostrophes used in the CBS memos add credibility to the charge that the documents are forged. However, print advertisements for the IBM Executive Electric typewriter from as early as 1953 reveal that this typewriter featured a curlicue-type apostrophe similar to the type used in the CBS memos.

• Stephen F. Hayes: [T]he apostrophes are curlicues of the sort produced by word processors on personal computers, not the straight vertical hashmarks typical of typewriters. [http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 6astgo.asp HYPERLINK, The Weekly Standard ITALS, 9/9/04]

• New York Post: The apostrophe in words like "he's" look curly but most typewriters had blunt apostrophes with straight edges. [9/10/04]

• FOX News Channel host Juliet Huddy: [T]here's an apostrophe, and it's kind of the curled apostrophe, most typewriters back then had these straight edges. [FOX News Channel, FOX & Friends, 9/10/04]

• John Podhoretz: The documents contain such features as superscript lettering, which is done automatically by Microsoft Word, and curly quotation marks. A brief glance at a Web site called selectric.org, run by an amateur typewriter fanatic, reveals dozens of IBM electric typefaces -- and none of them has curly quotation marks. [column, New York Post, 9/10/04]

EXHIBIT D: Font was available

Press reports have also emphasized that the documents appear to be written in either Times Roman or Times New Roman font, suggesting that they were produced on a modern computer word processor, not a typewriter. In fact, Times Roman font dates back at least to 1945, as this short history explains. According to another account, Times New Roman dates to 1931, and IBM specifically hired its designer, Stanley Morison, to adapt the font to the Selectric typewriter. In fact, the Selectric Composer typewriter, introduced in 1966, not only could insert superscript but also featured proportional type and a font called Aldine Roman, a font similar to Times New Roman that appears to match the font in the memos (hat tip: Daily Kos).

• The New York Times: Philip Bouffard, a forensic document specialist from Ohio who created a commonly used database of at least 3,000 old type fonts, said he had suspicions as well. "I found nothing like this in any of my typewriter specimens," said Dr. Bouffard, a Democrat. He also said the fonts were "certainly consistent with what I see in Times Roman," the commonly used Microsoft Word font. [9/10/04]

• The Washington Post (graphic): Numeral 4's have no bases, suggesting they are in the Times Roman computer font. [9/10/04]

• Stephen F. Hayes: [T]he font appears to be identical to the Times New Roman font that is the default typeface in Microsoft Word and other modern word processing programs. According to [document forensics expert William] Flynn, the font is not listed in the Haas Atlas -- the definitive encyclopedia of typewriter type fonts. [9/9/04]

BONUS EXHIBIT: Amateur forensics

On FOX News Channel, several pundits freely indulged in amateur document forensics. On the September 9 Special Report, host Brit Hume reported an experiment he had undertaken with the help of a producer:

HUME: I'm going to tell you also that a producer here at FOX News today sat down with Microsoft Word on a word processing software on a computer and typed out one of these memos just sort of the way it would -- might look today. And the line spacing came out exactly the same. There were no words carried over or hyphenated in any of these documents. And it came out so you could put the document one on top of the other and they perfectly traced, which seems peculiar.

Weekly Standard executive editor and FOX News contributor Fred Barnes also insisted, "I was in the military, and it didn't look like any of the documents I got," ignoring the fact that these documents were apparently not the sort of documents that were sent to guardsmen but came from Killian's personal file.

Roll Call executive editor and FOX News contributor Morton M. Kondracke pointed out that "the key document" that CBS News discovered does not actually use the controversial superscript, but Barnes and Hume agreed that this document suggests the blank space between the number and the "th" suggests the alleged forger was trying to circumvent Microsoft Word's automatic superscript feature:

KONDRACKE: Now look, the key document in this series, the one where he or -- Killian allegedly says that he ordered Lieutenant Bush to be suspended from flight status because of a failure to meet his physical exam; there are no superscripts in it. So I -- you know, you can't tell whether this is a forgery or not. ...

BARNES: But they leave a blank space in there. Why would you leave a blank space between the number and the t-h?

BARNES: You would do that so the t-h wouldn't be that little...

HUME: So the word processing software wouldn't automatically create that if that's what they were doing. We don't know that.

BARNES: We don't. But it's unusual that the space would be there.

"The Note:" WHO is behind the documents?

The September 10 edition of The Note, ABC News Political Unit's online newsletter, pointed out that even before 60 Minutes was over, right-wing websites were claiming that the documents were forgeries and raising detailed questions about the availability of the typeface used in the memos in the early 1970s. As The Note suggested, the speed and technical detail with which these websites attacked the CBS documents raised questions about where these documents originated and whether these websites had been given advance access to them. The Note also pointed to speculation by Democrats that Republicans may be behind the documents:

We always favor looking at the content and substance over WHO is offering up the information, but in the war that will ensue about WHO gave CBS the potentially phony documents, it is interesting to Note that the right (Drudge, Fox, right-leaning blogs, others) led the way in pointing out the questions we have all been asking - and they were onto the questions, with remarkable detail, relatively soon after the documents were made public.

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at 8:59 ET - before the broadcast is finished!!! - the documents come into question via a poster named Buckhead on the Free Republic Web site: LINK

Buckhead seems well-read on his forensic document examination skills.

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ABC News' George Stephanopoulos said on "Good Morning America" that "a lot of Democrats think this might have been a set-up" by Republicans - a sentiment we are likely to hear more of in the days to come.

The Democrats' suggestion that the Republicans may be behind the documents is not outlandish when considering that Karl Rove, chief political aide to Bush, was suspected of bugging his own office during the 1986 Texas gubernatorial race in an effort to smear Democratic Governor Mark White (the opponent of the candidate for whom he was working, Bill Clements).

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Alright, now it seems that the guy who supposedly was exerting pressure to sugarcoat Bush's service record left the fucking Texas ANG 18 months before the memo accusing him of it was written.
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mediamatters.org wrote:Forgery feeding frenzy: Media falling afoul of the facts
They're not the only ones.
mediamatters.org wrote: Moreover, IBM released a typewriter in the 1960s, the Selectric II, which was capable of producing superscript type.
The Selectric II was released in 1971. Source1 Source2 Source3

I point this out for its humor value, not as an attempt to refute the article. Some things are simply too good to pass up.
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D'OH! I knew we shoulda checked the dates before forging this thing!
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Okay so let me get this straight the DNC gets these documents from a "retired service member" and hands them over to CBS. So nobody who knows who actually had the documents for the past decade or so has come forward and stated such. Multiple "suspicious" typographical features have been exhibited, family and coworkers have doubts, and there are numerous 'errors' in basic USAF form.

While it might be possible to cobble togethor a vintage 1973 typewriter which can perform all the needed typographical, have an officer who otherwise appears to be consistent with form, and just has a few testy days where he sounds off in manner not his habit ... I'm sorry but that's a helluvalot of 'coincidences' to string togethor.

Bluntly CBS needs to prove that these documents were actually typed by the individual in question; asking the opposition to prove that Killian didn't type the documents is asking for proof of a negative. If it is possible that one expensive nonstandard model could actually reproduce the documents shown, then some evidence should be brought forth that Killian actually had this most unusual machine. As it stands we have documents whose existance formally begins at the DNC, a helluvalot unusual occurances, and lots of talk that it might be possible to do everything (no matter how vanishingly small the odds are that an ANG officer would have one of these expensive machines).

Frankly I don't give damn if Bush did skip out on some days of training; Clinton managed to skip the whole war and he miraciously managed not blow up the world while he was in office. Having a perfect military attendance record hardly seems to be a necessary prequisite to being president. If Bush lied, then that matters, about as much as any other lie he's told. If the DNC stooped to forgery that really matters. If Rove managed to plant a forgery then something is seriously wrong - both that politics has gotten that bad and that the Dems were too stupid to question it.
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Joe wrote:Alright, now it seems that the guy who supposedly was exerting pressure to sugarcoat Bush's service record left the fucking Texas ANG 18 months before the memo accusing him of it was written.
If that's true, what the hell is wrong with forgers? I imagine you would have to put a HELL of a lot more work into making a forgery than checking the dates, so why do they always seem to fuck that part of it up?
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If that's true, what the hell is wrong with forgers? I imagine you would have to put a HELL of a lot more work into making a forgery than checking the dates, so why do they always seem to fuck that part of it up?
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Joe wrote:Alright, now it seems that the guy who supposedly was exerting pressure to sugarcoat Bush's service record left the fucking Texas ANG 18 months before the memo accusing him of it was written.
Wow. That is very interesting.
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Remind me do we have the photoshoped images of Bush senior on the Grassy Knoll with Krueschev, and Castro shooting Kennedy?
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:Remind me do we have the photoshoped images of Bush senior on the Grassy Knoll with Krueschev, and Castro shooting Kennedy?
Sorry... what? What's the point here?
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Conspiracy Unification Theory, everything somehow ties into the Kennedy Assassination...

or it's less then six links removed from it....
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Also if we're going to forge something using today's technology, why not make it something good and interesting....

oh and if the photo's of the NRA at the underpass near Deley Plazza exist warn me in the futrue...
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also since both my parents are kennedy conspiracy nuts I kinda like to make fun of them. :twisted:
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Not that I am a Bushite, but the Nigerian forgery was incredibly bad, including a little problem with the dates.
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Darth Wong wrote:It would appear that everybody who's too young to have used a typewriter simply assumes that all documents looked like shit before computers came along. You eyeball it.

Honestly, some of the kids today have no idea how many things used to be done with the Mark 1 Eyeball.
You didn't even have to eyeball it. All you needed to do was set the left and right tabs properly!
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And how does this have any impact on whether or not Bush's military service was even remotely comparable to Kerry's whatsoever?

Oh, wait, it doesn't. Even if these documents are discredited, Bush's service is still *in no sense whatsoever* comparable to John Kerry's. But, of course, it will somehow vindicate Bush in the minds of the aforementioned 10%.
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HemlockGrey wrote:And how does this have any impact on whether or not Bush's military service was even remotely comparable to Kerry's whatsoever?

Oh, wait, it doesn't. Even if these documents are discredited, Bush's service is still *in no sense whatsoever* comparable to John Kerry's. But, of course, it will somehow vindicate Bush in the minds of the aforementioned 10%.
And how does that military service automatically elevate one's ability to be commander in chief? Oh, wait, it doesn't.

FDR and Abe Lincoln are almost universally considered our two greatest presidents (and wartime presidents at that), and had, respectively, no military service, or undistinguished military service. Conversely, Ulysses S. Grant was one of the greatest war heroes this country ever produced. He was also one of the worst presidents. Lyndon B. Johnson won a a Silver Star in the South Pacific during WWII, and was also one of the most corrupt politicians and worst presidents ever to occupy the White House. Dwight D. Eisenhower had a distinguished career as Supreme Allied Commander in the ETO during the greatest conflict the world has ever known, yet he was a mediocrity as president. Andrew Jackson was a great general, and as president he wrecked the economy, introduced extraordinarily divisive policies into politics (which persist to this day), and not only regarded Indians in almost the same light Hitler regarded Jews, he let his policies as president reflect this contempt.

So tell me again how being in the military vs. not being in the military automatically qualifies one for the job, even in wartime.

It doesn't.

To be sure, there have been presidents with military experience who have been great presidents (Theodore Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Geo. Washington), there are also presidents without military experience who have been great wartime presidents, and presidents with military experience who have been dreadful falilures as presidents.

What's more important than Kerry's military record is his record as a politician. He's a dove. I don't think he's the best leader for the U.S. to have right now. To be frank, I don't think Bush is either, but I would rate him marginally less objectionable than Kerry.
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