Tea Party Leader Mocks NAACP "Coloreds" In Online Screed

[loomer]

Does this mean every Tutsi is necessarily like this - of course not! I know damn well it's not true, and that eventually if you search Rwanda long enough you'll find a true blue genuine kind human being who never judges a soul by anything but their own deeds and welcomes everyone regardless of origins to be near him, and just happens to like wearing chaps and riding horses out on the range.

Funny how two words changed make it into the exact sort of thing the Hutus said.

[ShadowDragon8685]

This makes (by my count) five people (Gizmo, Thanas, Serafina, Loomer, and Ghost Rider) jumping up on me at once. May I have time to respond?

[Terralthra]

I'm certainly not a moderator, nor any real voice of long tenure here, but you may want to consider, instead of responding, shutting the fuck up.

[Ghost Rider]

This makes (by my count) five people (Gizmo, Thanas, Serafina, Loomer, and Ghost Rider) jumping up on me at once. May I have time to respond?

Only Gizmo is requesting an immediate response, because to him...you've called him a racist fucktard, along with his relatives. Thanas, Serafina and myself are noting what your words said to ourselves and others and have demanded little from you. Loomer is making a point that a simple change of nouns further elucidates the point of you being a fucking retard.

So really, answer gizmo rather then making a pathetic woe is me point.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I grow weary of your incessant smearing of me, my family, my friends, and all the other white Texans as racist xenophobes. I'm going to go ahead and invoke DR#5 here, since you have failed for over 24 hours to present evidence for your claim in your HoS'ed thread, and you have continued to make the same argument here.

Have I claimed that you are Joe Texan? I never said "all." However, let's see...

The statements that you've made with which I take particular issue, and which I must demand you support with evidence, are as follows:

but is it really in doubt that if the average white guy in Texas and Arizona could snap their fingers and magically expel, be rid of, all the "other" from "their state," they'd snap those fingers in a split second?

"Joe Texan" would very much like to be able to snap his fingers and rid "his" space (whether it be his immediate vicinity, "his" state, or even "his" country) of everyone not like him.

You must provide evidence that the average Texan, and specifically as you've stated previously the average WHITE Texan, is a racist xenophobe who wants to establish Texas as a whites-only wonderland by expelling the "other." After failing to do so, I shall expect you to retract the claim and abstain from making it ever again. A sincere apology is also in order, but I won't hold my breath.

The first was a question, a leading question yes, but a question. Obviously, it is in doubt. However, you're right: I can't provide statistical proof that's already been compiled, most likely because nobody's actually been stupid enough to attempt to conduct a racism census of the great and vast state of Texas, and I've neither the time nor resources to gather my own statistics, which no doubt you'd dismiss as self-serving and irrelevant even if I did.

Consider this a retraction: I can't prove it. I'm not saying I believe it's wrong, but I admit I cannot provide the evidence of statistical evidence of the vast majority of the population being racist that you have rightly demanded, so I'm willing to concede I may be wrong on that count.

As for an apology, I am sorry that you felt yourself and your family painted with the brush of generalization. If you are not a racist xenophobe, then you have my humble apologies.

As I'm reasonably sure you're too fucking retarded to have actually read the board policies thread, I shall quote the relevant policy for you here as a courtesy

I have read it, actually, but as I've not an encyclopedic memory, I thank you nonetheless.

[bobalot]

After numerous posts, I'm still waiting for Tom_Kalbfus to provide a single shred of evidence for ANY of his claims. When asked he either:

1) Makes more unverified claims.
2) Repeats himself.
3) Makes gigantic posts while doing (1) and (2).

[whackadoodle]

Consider this a retraction: I can't prove it. I'm not saying I believe it's wrong, but I admit I cannot provide the evidence of statistical evidence of the vast majority of the population being racist were originally condemned to Earth by the evil space emperor Zenu that you have rightly demanded, so I'm willing to concede I may be wrong on that count.

Your beliefs and a buck-fifty will get you a Coke, but nothing here, I understand.
BTW, word substitution is fun .

[Tom_Kalbfus]

Your discriminating against me now. I feel that if I can have thick skin and deal with your constant abuse, by calling me a "shithead" for example, then black people can just as easily shrug off one's use of the N-word and just walk away. Besides the word "shithead" can have racial connotations, so you'd better watch your mouth lest something racist ever spring forth from it. you don't know that I'm racist, I've seen more foul words from your posts than from mine, name calling and use of racial ephitaphs such as "shithead" are so immature, I suspect you are only half my age to be using such vulgarisms, it is not becoming of you.

No, i am not. I am calling you a shithead due to your personal behavior, not because you a member of a certain group (whether that be male, christian, white, american or anything like that).

Conservative Republican is definitely a group that you discriminate against with your foul language here on line, and I don't find that substantially different from being Hispanic because one speaks Spanish, or being Muslim for believing in a certain religion. I figure you should practise what you preach. If you are so concerned about blacks being offended because they hear the N-Word at a Tea Party rally, you should stop calling people "Fucktards" or "Shitheads" because that offends just as much, and "shithead" is also a racial slur, because you know what color shit it, a black man hearing you say that can get just as offended as if you used the N-Word.

And it's simply a fact that male, white christians do not suffer from any discrimination in the USA. Stating that fact to refute your laughable claim that you know what discrimination is like is not discrimination.
Besides, you are about to make quite racists statements by means of hasty generalization.

Don't they? They suffer discrimination from people like you all the time.

And you are a foul-mouthed intollerant German, it doesn't matter whether you wear a swastika or a hammer and sickle on your armband, a Kraut is a Kraut, and you are one of the most unpleasant Germans I've ever met, next to certain historical figures and stereotypes from World War II.

And you are not a racist HOW exactly?

And your not racist how exactly as you go around callling people "Fucktards" and "Shitheads"? I really don't think it makes a difference if you offend someone by using the N-Word or you offend somebody by calling them a "Shithead". You think you are better than a racist? You are not!

I never made any statement that said "an american is an american" to indicate that every US-american is alike. I never spoke negatively of US-Americans, merely of their political system.

Which defines what America is all about, An America under a different political system is unamerican, you speak negatively about our system of government you speak negatively about us. You could perhaps imagine an America where were all a bunch of drones under a communist dictator, but that is not America!

I went to certain length to explain to you my particular philosophy, but as any hot-headed German, you are quick to anger and not up to listening, you'd make perfect recruiting material for the Hitler Youth. I tried to be polite with you and respectful of your particular opinion, but I have received nothing but foul-mouthed abuse from you, and I am done Frauline.

Can someone please title that shithead?

If you go around calling me a shithead, just for that you deserve being called a Kraut, its a two way street Ma'am, if you don't treat others with respect they won't treat you with respect either, that is not racism, that is recipriocity.

Either way, Tom:
YOU are making racist statements. It is perfectly alright to call you a racist for that.
The Tea Party makes lot's of racist statements due to the racist members they have. Calling them a racist organization for that is ALSO correct.

You are a "propaganda head", you hear only what you want to hear, read only what you want to read, and see racists everywhere except when you look in the mirror. You are just as bigoted as all the other racists you imagine seeing. I kind of think your father was a Stasi Agent or a communist party offical from East Germany with the way you talk.

You are also ignoring facts, such as Einziges chart of that the statistics already show that the taxes in the USA are equal or lower to your stated goal.
Conclusively, you ARE a racist ignorant retard.

Not all nations are equally compedative, and some are sitting on vast oil fields with low populations, so it doesn't really matter what their economic policy is. Japan has low taxes, Poland has low taxes and its doing rather well. If you want high taxes, you should pay them yourself!

[Akhlut]

Conservative Republican is definitely a group that you discriminate against with your foul language here on line, and I don't find that substantially different from being Hispanic because one speaks Spanish, or being Muslim for believing in a certain religion. I figure you should practise what you preach. If you are so concerned about blacks being offended because they hear the N-Word at a Tea Party rally, you should stop calling people "Fucktards" or "Shitheads" because that offends just as much, and "shithead" is also a racial slur, because you know what color shit it, a black man hearing you say that can get just as offended as if you used the N-Word.

You're an idiot, aren't you? Shithead and fucktard don't have a long history of oppression associated with them, whereas nigger is very much associated with things like lynchings, Jim Crow laws, and slavery.

And it's simply a fact that male, white christians do not suffer from any discrimination in the USA. Stating that fact to refute your laughable claim that you know what discrimination is like is not discrimination.
Besides, you are about to make quite racists statements by means of hasty generalization.

Don't they? They suffer discrimination from people like you all the time.[/quote]

You're an idiot, aren't you? There's a difference between someone calling you an idiot because you're holding idiotic views versus being denied a job based on the color of your skin, or being unable to get a housing loan because your name's 'too ethnic,' or being more likely to be put in jail for a longer time than a guy who is white who committed the same crime. You being called a shithead is not discrimination, buddy.

And you are a foul-mouthed intollerant German, it doesn't matter whether you wear a swastika or a hammer and sickle on your armband, a Kraut is a Kraut, and you are one of the most unpleasant Germans I've ever met, next to certain historical figures and stereotypes from World War II.

And you are not a racist HOW exactly?

And your not racist how exactly as you go around callling people "Fucktards" and "Shitheads"? I really don't think it makes a difference if you offend someone by using the N-Word or you offend somebody by calling them a "Shithead". You think you are better than a racist? You are not![/quote]

Shithead and fucktard aren't associated with an ethnicity; they can be easily applied to anyone of any race, gender, or religion. It is offensive to a singular person (the person being called a shithead or fucktard), whereas being called a nigger is offensive because of the historical associations of oppression and violence. You see, calling you a shithead is just an insult; calling a black man a nigger is an implied threat of violence and oppression.

I never made any statement that said "an american is an american" to indicate that every US-american is alike. I never spoke negatively of US-Americans, merely of their political system.

Which defines what America is all about, An America under a different political system is unamerican, you speak negatively about our system of government you speak negatively about us. You could perhaps imagine an America where were all a bunch of drones under a communist dictator, but that is not America![/quote]

So, was America really America when it was enslaving black people? Or when it was denying them the vote? Or when it was spraying them with firehoses and sicking vicious police dogs at them when they were finally sticking up for the legal rights they already had? Or should we throw off our 'unamerican' principles of equality for black people, since the Founding Fathers were a-okay with racial slavery?

[eion]

Japan has low taxes, Poland has low taxes and its doing rather well. If you want high taxes, you should pay them yourself!

God you're funny. No, wait. That's the wrong word. God you're a complete, fucking idiot.

Both Japan and Poland have tax rates in excess of your magic "25%" margin. Low tax rates alone do not make for a successful country, and might well demonstrate the reverse, or are you claiming Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Somalia with their 0% personal income tax rates as the world’s most successful countries?

And again, when you make a claim, BACK IT UP WITH EVIDENCE!

I'll leave the others to deal with your more insane claims regarding "racism".

[The Yosemite Bear]

remind me never take German insult lessons from my now deceased grandparents. (of course the WWII vet, amercian german jew, would of course teach me a few.)

opps,

[PeZook]

Not all nations are equally compedative, and some are sitting on vast oil fields with low populations, so it doesn't really matter what their economic policy is. Japan has low taxes, Poland has low taxes and its doing rather well. If you want high taxes, you should pay them yourself!

And Germany, Sweden and Finland have high taxes and are also doing rather well, Germany posessing one of the most hi-tech industrial bases in the world (one of the few able to produce modern machine tools and optics, for example), despite not sitting on vast oil reserves.

Also, that's a fucking dodge. You claimed the US has taxes which are too high, claimed that 25% GDP is the ideal spending rate, and were shown by me and several other posters that it's exactly how much the US spends right now, only they cover it with deficit, so the actual tax burden is lower than you want it to be! In other words, the US actually has low taxes and the tea party whiners are ignorant jackasses.

So how about conceding the point, you sack of shit?

[Serafina]

Conservative Republican is definitely a group that you discriminate against with your foul language here on line, and I don't find that substantially different from being Hispanic because one speaks Spanish, or being Muslim for believing in a certain religion.

Ah, so if i say something bad about Nazis in general, i must be a bigot as well - according to your logic, at least.

I figure you should practise what you preach. If you are so concerned about blacks being offended because they hear the N-Word at a Tea Party rally, you should stop calling people "Fucktards" or "Shitheads" because that offends just as much, and "shithead" is also a racial slur, because you know what color shit it, a black man hearing you say that can get just as offended as if you used the N-Word.

Yeah, those words can offend anyone.
Which is the reason why they are not offensive to any particular group (unless used to describe that group), they are just generic cursewords.

Don't they? They suffer discrimination from people like you all the time.

Kiddo, you don't KNOW what discrimination is. A person holding an opposing viewpoint to you is NOT discrimination. A person insulting you is NOT discrimination.
I suggest that you get a grip on reality.

And your not racist how exactly as you go around callling people "Fucktards" and "Shitheads"? I really don't think it makes a difference if you offend someone by using the N-Word or you offend somebody by calling them a "Shithead". You think you are better than a racist? You are not!

No. I am, at best, rude. I am attacking you and you alone.
You, however, generalized and stereotyped the whole german population - which IS racist.

Which defines what America is all about, An America under a different political system is unamerican, you speak negatively about our system of government you speak negatively about us. You could perhaps imagine an America where were all a bunch of drones under a communist dictator, but that is not America!

No. Speaking negatively about a government is NOT speaking negatively about the people of that state. And it's definitely not racist.

If you go around calling me a shithead, just for that you deserve being called a Kraut, its a two way street Ma'am, if you don't treat others with respect they won't treat you with respect either, that is not racism, that is recipriocity.

I don't care the least about your respect.
And you are still using negative stereotypes based on ethnicity or provenance. I am using a common insult.
There is a difference between the two. Learn it.

You are a "propaganda head", you hear only what you want to hear, read only what you want to read, and see racists everywhere except when you look in the mirror. You are just as bigoted as all the other racists you imagine seeing. I kind of think your father was a Stasi Agent or a communist party offical from East Germany with the way you talk.

Aah, more stereotypes. Of course, East Germany added only about 20% to the population after the reunion, so you have an about 80% chance to be wrong. Guess what - you are.

Not all nations are equally compedative, and some are sitting on vast oil fields with low populations, so it doesn't really matter what their economic policy is. Japan has low taxes, Poland has low taxes and its doing rather well. If you want high taxes, you should pay them yourself!

Let's see: Germany
We have socialized health care, a thick safety net and tons of other socialist expenditures. And we also have high taxes. We also have a low amount of remaining natural resources.
And - we are number four in the world by GDP.
The same goes for practically the whole rest of the EU.

Not stop dodging your defeats, moron.
You claimed that US-taxes are too high and that they should not be higher than 25% - we showed that they ARE below 25% RIGHT NOW.
You also claimed that Democrats rack up deficits - when Obama is the first democratic president in more than a century to do so, an only due to an insanely costly war and a financial crisis.
AND you claimed that high taxes=bad for the economy without presenting any evidence.

In other words, you are a mindless drone who presents nothing but right-wind talking points.

[PeZook]

Jesus...did he seriously claim criticizing the government is unamerican? That an American who says the government should be changed is insulting all Americans everywhere?

Does it mean James Madison, Abraham fucking Lincoln, Thomas Peterson, John Quincy Adams, Franklin D. Roosevelt and other great reformers, civic thinkers and men of state were all unamerican traitors?

For fuck's sake, how can a country claim to love democracy yet deny people the right to criticize the government? It's one thing when the critic is simply misguided and wrong (RAR TAXES ARE TOO HIGH!!!) and you call him on it, it's another to say the very act of criticism is unpatriotic, unamerican and doubleplusungood.

[Lonestar]

Does it mean James Madison, Abraham fucking Lincoln, Thomas Peterson, John Quincy Adams, Franklin D. Roosevelt and other great reformers, civic thinkers and men of state were all unamerican traitors?

Who?

[salm]

Jesus...did he seriously claim criticizing the government is unamerican? That an American who says the government should be changed is insulting all Americans everywhere?

Does it mean James Madison, Abraham fucking Lincoln, Thomas Peterson, John Quincy Adams, Franklin D. Roosevelt and other great reformers, civic thinkers and men of state were all unamerican traitors?

Not to forget the tea bag idiots he´s defending who are, well, criticizing the government.

[PeZook]

Who?

The first African American to vote under the XVth Amendment.

It's kind of a stretch to include him next to Abraham Lincoln, but he used a completely new set of rights written into the US constitution that weren't there before (well, not explicitly enough, at least), and therefore was a dirty unamericna traitor! According to, ah, certain people.

Not to forget the tea bag idiots he´s defending who are, well, criticizing the government.

I'm sure that in his mind, they're only fighting to restore the TRUE AMERICAN WAY as it should be, while Obama is destroying this GREAT WHITE CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.

Remember, change = bad.

[Ritterin Sophia]

There is no german version of the term.

Scheißkopf? Doesn't mean shithead?

[salm]

There is no german version of the term.

Scheißkopf? Doesn't mean shithead?

It does, but it´s not a common insult.

[Serafina]

There is no german version of the term.

Scheißkopf? Doesn't mean shithead?

If you translate it literary, then yes, it would.
But the term is just not used in german. At all, apparently - try an exact Google search, you won't find any actual usages of it that are not "Scheiß Kopf" - which is more like "damn head" or perhaps "fucking head".
And it's definitely NOT german racist term for black people.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Does it mean James Madison, Abraham fucking Lincoln, Thomas Peterson, John Quincy Adams, Franklin D. Roosevelt and other great reformers, civic thinkers and men of state were all unamerican traitors?

Who?

I think Thomas Paine, let's not forget John Paul Jones who had to move to France.

[Tom_Kalbfus]

...

If you go around calling me a shithead, just for that you deserve being called a Kraut, its a two way street Ma'am, if you don't treat others with respect they won't treat you with respect either, that is not racism, that is recipriocity.

I don't care the least about your respect.
And you are still using negative stereotypes based on ethnicity or provenance. I am using a common insult.
There is a difference between the two. Learn it.

Is there a nice way to offend somebody?
I don't think so.
If you go to a bar full of black people and you say, "You know what you are all a bunch of shitheads." You start a fight don't you.
If you go to a bar full black people and you say, "You know what you are, your all a bunch of N***ers." and you start a fight don't you.

To offend is to offend, it doesn't matter how you do it.

[Serafina]

Is there a nice way to offend somebody?
I don't think so.
If you go to a bar full of black people and you say, "You know what you are all a bunch of shitheads." You start a fight don't you.
If you go to a bar full black people and you say, "You know what you are, your all a bunch of N***ers." and you start a fight don't you.

To offend is to offend, it doesn't matter how you do it.

Well, let's see:
You go to a bar and call a black person a shithead. That person will be offended, yes.
You go to a bard and call a black person a nigger. Every other (black) person in that bar will be offended.

But you have demonstrated quite well that you do not see any difference between racist insults or just insults.
In other words, you have made it clear that you don't see why racist slang is bad.
Again, i call you a racist for that.
And a moron as well, since you are still not answering anyones points about your political proposals.

[bobalot]

...

If you go around calling me a shithead, just for that you deserve being called a Kraut, its a two way street Ma'am, if you don't treat others with respect they won't treat you with respect either, that is not racism, that is recipriocity.

I don't care the least about your respect.
And you are still using negative stereotypes based on ethnicity or provenance. I am using a common insult.
There is a difference between the two. Learn it.

Is there a nice way to offend somebody?
I don't think so.
If you go to a bar full of black people and you say, "You know what you are all a bunch of shitheads." You start a fight don't you.
If you go to a bar full black people and you say, "You know what you are, your all a bunch of N***ers." and you start a fight don't you.

To offend is to offend, it doesn't matter how you do it.

The retard cannot even tell the difference between racism and and common insult. Unbelievable.

Tom_Kalbfus, I'm still waiting for evidence for your claims. It's been several pages now. Repeating yourself does not constitute evidence, dumbass.

This is a simple idea that people are taught in high school for fucks sake.

[Tom_Kalbfus]

Is there a nice way to offend somebody?
I don't think so.
If you go to a bar full of black people and you say, "You know what you are all a bunch of shitheads." You start a fight don't you.
If you go to a bar full black people and you say, "You know what you are, your all a bunch of N***ers." and you start a fight don't you.

To offend is to offend, it doesn't matter how you do it.

Well, let's see:
You go to a bar and call a black person a shithead. That person will be offended, yes.
You go to a bard and call a black person a nigger. Every other (black) person in that bar will be offended.

But you have demonstrated quite well that you do not see any difference between racist insults or just insults.
There is no difference, a racial insult is just another way to insult someone, and it doesn't matter much if with either insult the black person stabs you in the gut with a knife or broken bottle, does it!

In other words, you have made it clear that you don't see why racist slang is bad.
Again, i call you a racist for that.
And a moron as well, since you are still not answering anyones points about your political proposals.

I think all insults are bad because they all can lead to fights. You should stop fooling yourself that there is a politically correct way of insulting someone.