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Do a Google search on "binge drinking" and stop being so obtuse. Moreover, it doesn't change the fact that your assertion of alcohol's harmless nature is bullshit. It is a dangerous toxin, as I have clearly demonstrated.salm wrote:well, i asume that these 20.000 alcohol induced deaths were people who were regular drinkers not people who get wasted once in a while.
Yes you are, you just don't realize it. Binge-drinking is a form of alcoholism.i´m not arguing about alcoholism though.
i guess that´s what long time abusers getCodes for alcohol-induced deaths
Causes of death attributable to alcohol-induced mortality include ICD–10 codes F10, Mental and behavioral disorders due to alcohol use;
this too.G31.2, Degeneration of nervous system due to alcohol;
this one, too i think, but i´m not sure what "prolonged use of alcohol" means in this context.G62.1, Alcoholic polyneuropathy; I42.6,
long time drinkers. sourceAlcoholic cardiomyopathy;
this site says that alcoholic gastritis is caused by alcohol abuse. it doesn´t mention what they define as alcohol abuse though.K29.2, Alcoholic gastritis;
long time abusersK70, Alcoholic liver disease;
i don´t know what this is. of course you have alcohol in your blood when you drink. or does this mean that alcohol can be found in your blood even when you dont drink. furthermore, how is that going to kill you?R78.0, Finding of alcohol in blood;
yeah, i´ll admit that this might be a problem. i´m not sure if this happens to occasional drinkers as well, or if it´s mainly a problem of long term abuser. i mean normally the occasional drinker will throw up and then stop drinking befor he dies.X45, Accidental poisoning by and exposure to alcohol;
if you want to kill yourself with alcohol i guess it´s possible. fortunately most people don´t intend to poison themselves.X65, Intentional self-poisoning by and exposure to alcohol;
same answer as accidental poisoning.and Y15, Poisoning by and exposure to alcohol, undetermined intent.
ok, i did a google search on binge drinking and found out that binge drinking is considered 5 drinks in a row for males and 4 for females on one or more occasion during a two week period.Darth Wong wrote: Do a Google search on "binge drinking" and stop being so obtuse. Moreover, it doesn't change the fact that your assertion of alcohol's harmless nature is bullshit. It is a dangerous toxin, as I have clearly demonstrated.
wikipedia claimed different that´s why i posted that.Yes you are, you just don't realize it. Binge-drinking is a form of alcoholism.
dictionary.com wrote:A disorder characterized by the excessive consumption of and dependence on alcoholic beverages, leading to physical and psychological harm and impaired social and vocational functioning. Also called alcohol abuse, alcohol dependence.
wikipedia wrote:Alcoholism is an addictive dependency on alcohol characterised by craving (a strong need to drink); loss of control (being unable to stop); physical dependence and withdrawal symptoms; and tolerance (increasing difficulty of becoming drunk).
no. my postition is that the occasional alcohol excess isn´t harmful enough to be relevant. a couple of brain cells die but all in all you don´t get notably dumber.Darth Wong wrote:So in short, you use the same argument used to justify an "occasional cigarette" in order to justify an "occasional drinking binge": "it's deadly but I'm not doing it as much or as often as the people who get killed by it".
you mean my response to darth servo´s anti freeze post?Precisely the argument you CLAIMED was a strawman distortion and false analogy of your position earlier.
up till now by the wikipedia definition.Darth_Zod wrote:both wikipedia and dictionary.com offer nearly the same definition. exactly what definition of alcoholism are you going by?
dictionary.com wrote:A disorder characterized by the excessive consumption of and dependence on alcoholic beverages, leading to physical and psychological harm and impaired social and vocational functioning. Also called alcohol abuse, alcohol dependence.wikipedia wrote:Alcoholism is an addictive dependency on alcohol characterised by craving (a strong need to drink); loss of control (being unable to stop); physical dependence and withdrawal symptoms; and tolerance (increasing difficulty of becoming drunk).
Exactly the same as the tobacco defense.salm wrote:no. my postition is that the occasional alcohol excess isn´t harmful enough to be relevant. a couple of brain cells die but all in all you don't get notably dumber.Darth Wong wrote:So in short, you use the same argument used to justify an "occasional cigarette" in order to justify an "occasional drinking binge": "it's deadly but I'm not doing it as much or as often as the people who get killed by it".
Exactly the same as the tobacco defense.as for other damages i haven´t heard of any which damage you permanently (alcohol poisoning aside, since i already adressed that in a previous post) if you drink occasionally.
A single drinking binge can potentially KILL you, moron.perhaps you´ve got some good site on binge drinking, though.
Exactly the same as the tobacco defense.you mean my response to darth servo´s anti freeze post?Precisely the argument you CLAIMED was a strawman distortion and false analogy of your position earlier.
no, no, no. when i say harmful i mean not harmful as in "not damaging the body" opposed to "not being deadly".Darth Wong wrote: Exactly the same as the tobacco defense.
what are you refering to? alcohol poisoning?A single drinking binge can potentially KILL you, moron.
salm a couple of posts above wrote: yeah, i´ll admit that this might be a problem. i´m not sure if this happens to occasional drinkers as well, or if it´s mainly a problem of long term abuser. i mean normally the occasional drinker will throw up and then stop drinking befor he dies.
And you would be wrong. Even a single drinking binge can be deadly, and alcohol is addictive. Deliberately exposing yourself to an addictive substance which can kill in large doses and slowly destroy your body with chronic use IS FUCKING STUPID.salm wrote:no, no, no. when i say harmful i mean not harmful as in "not damaging the body" opposed to "not being deadly".Darth Wong wrote:Exactly the same as the tobacco defense.
Yes, not to mention more mundane forms of alcohol-induced death such as choking to death on your own vomit.what are you refering to? alcohol poisoning?A single drinking binge can potentially KILL you, moron.
And this refutes the deadliness of the practice ... how? Obviously it doesn't happen every time, but it happens thousands of times a year.if yes:salm a couple of posts above wrote: yeah, i´ll admit that this might be a problem. i´m not sure if this happens to occasional drinkers as well, or if it´s mainly a problem of long term abuser. i mean normally the occasional drinker will throw up and then stop drinking befor he dies.
if that´s the case i´ll conceed the point.Darth Wong wrote: And you would be wrong. Even a single drinking binge can be deadly,
and alcohol is addictive. Deliberately exposing yourself to an addictive substance which can kill in large doses and slowly destroy your body with chronic use IS FUCKING STUPID.
it doesn´t refute, it asks.And this refutes the deadliness of the practice ... how? Obviously it doesn't happen every time, but it happens thousands of times a year.
), I have never driven when drunk. I'm no idiot.we were discussing stupidity due to harming one´s own body, not stupidity due to harming other people. that´s when the cigarette stuff came up.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:About all this cigarrette bullshit... I don't smoke, and one of the reasons I never would is because it hurts other people. When I'm drinking a glass of double vodka and coke with a red aftershock, people's livers are not being corroded by sitting near it. So fuck off with the false analogy.
Yeah, but in my opinion, stupid or not, that falls under "your own damn fault" category. It's not stupidity really, just freedom of choice to do what you want with your own body.salm wrote:we were discussing stupidity due to harming one´s own body, not stupidity due to harming other people. that´s when the cigarette stuff came up.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:About all this cigarrette bullshit... I don't smoke, and one of the reasons I never would is because it hurts other people. When I'm drinking a glass of double vodka and coke with a red aftershock, people's livers are not being corroded by sitting near it. So fuck off with the false analogy.
yes, somwhere around page 4 the stupitidy we were talking about broke into two diffenerent types of stupidity. that was pretty confusing.Embracer Of Darkness wrote: Yeah, but in my opinion, stupid or not, that falls under "your own damn fault" category. It's not stupidity really, just freedom of choice to do what you want with your own body.
Oh, yeah, I know what you mean.salm wrote:yes, somwhere around page 4 the stupitidy we were talking about broke into two diffenerent types of stupidity. that was pretty confusing.Embracer Of Darkness wrote: Yeah, but in my opinion, stupid or not, that falls under "your own damn fault" category. It's not stupidity really, just freedom of choice to do what you want with your own body.
Freedom to do it doesn't make it any less dumb. Check the Darwin Awards. Those people more often than not did things to get themselves killed of their own free will.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:Yeah, but in my opinion, stupid or not, that falls under "your own damn fault" category. It's not stupidity really, just freedom of choice to do what you want with your own body.
I don't consider it dumb if you do it to yourself, I'd call it more of a "boo-fucking-hoo".SAMAS wrote:Freedom to do it doesn't make it any less dumb. Check the Darwin Awards. Those people more often than not did things to get themselves killed of their own free will.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:Yeah, but in my opinion, stupid or not, that falls under "your own damn fault" category. It's not stupidity really, just freedom of choice to do what you want with your own body.
Red herring. The stupidity of an action has nothing to do with whether you should have the freedom to do it.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:Yeah, but in my opinion, stupid or not, that falls under "your own damn fault" category.
See above.It's not stupidity really, just freedom of choice to do what you want with your own body.
See above.While I fucking revile smoking, I will not object to people smoking however much they like as long as I'm not breathing it.
Doesn't change the fact that it's stupid. It indicates poor judgement even prior to consumption of the alcohol, and limited long-term thinking.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:I don't consider it dumb if you do it to yourself, I'd call it more of a "boo-fucking-hoo".
What the fuck is your definition of "dumb", in which one's own decisions are somehow immune from being dumb?I drink, if I get liver damage it's my own fault. Boo-fucking-hoo. See? Doesn't mean it's dumb, it just means I took it upon myself to make a decision which I can't complain about.
No, how about YOU fuck off with the irrelevant rebuttals, asshole? An analogy is used to illustrate a point of logic. In this case, that it's stupid to do something which is known to be self-destructive and that the "small dose" argument is specious in the case of addictive behaviours. The "second-hand smoke" argument was never raised and totally irrelevant; it is a strawman fallacy for you to act as though that was the point of the analogy.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:About all this cigarrette bullshit... I don't smoke, and one of the reasons I never would is because it hurts other people. When I'm drinking a glass of double vodka and coke with a red aftershock, people's livers are not being corroded by sitting near it. So fuck off with the false analogy.
You don't consider it stupid to get yourself killed? That's almost sig worthy.Embracer Of Darkness wrote:I don't consider it dumb if you do it to yourself, I'd call it more of a "boo-fucking-hoo".
I drink, if I get liver damage it's my own fault. Boo-fucking-hoo. See? Doesn't mean it's dumb, it just means I took it upon myself to make a decision which I can't complain about.
