Thanas wrote:Broomstick wrote:Thanas wrote:Tell you what - why don't we just assume this response was based on you being a tad emotional about this instead of actually being a response?
If you stop and think about it, getting people emotional was part of the plan - WikiLeaks seems to want people to get pissed off enough about some of this stuff to put a stop to it. That means getting people riled up. If folks read WikiLeaks and just shrugged their shoulders then nothing would change, would it?
Nice attempt at moving the goalposts here. I am not having it - on this board you are expected to behave in a reasonable manner, not do what you and Purnell did, of which only the fact that I was involved in the debate saved it from a mod smackdown.
That was intended as an observation after several days of thinking about the situation, not as a moving of the goalposts. I try to be more clear next time when I'm doing something like that.
That would also tie in with some of the hype around stuff that, when you actually read it, isn't that inflammatory.
That depends on how high your standards are. I myself find a lot of the stuff - like the USA bribing states to unload detainees on them - pretty sick. Or the way they were threatening Germany over not to bring charges against the USA torturers.
Also, the DNA sampling.
I said "some", not all. And I agree, some other things are pretty sick. Among the sickest, which I assume you're unaware of, is the US media with the help of the government generated sound bites trying to focus attention on the innocuous stuff rather than the meaty stuff like trying to "bribe" (in some cases I would have used the word "intimidation", not "bribery"). The spin doctors are trying even harder to spin.
It could be as simple as standard operating procedures - US agencies do that in the US all the time, private charter flights with possible false flight plans. I say "possible" because in the US, unlike a lot of Europe, not all flights even require flight plans. Or it could be they were deliberately hiding stuff, but really, it could be just as simple as that's the way paranoid assholes do everything whether needed or not.
So again, more assumptions and little in the way of argument.
Actually, Thanas, I can speak authoritatively on flight plan requirements for the US. There are separate regulations governing government flights in this country. There is a long history in the US of the government using chartered flights to ferry people around, both for secret government work and for transport of those viewed as criminals. For internal offenders, the latter eventually became "Con-Air", more formally known as the Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System, with the major hub for prisoner transport in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma which is off limits for civilian pilots. The biggest customers are the Federal Bureau of Prisons and the Immigration and Naturalization Service, but JPATS also serves both the military and state level police. They transport 250,000 people a year (that they admit to). A pilot knows one of these flights is in the area when they hear the callsign "Justice ###" over the radio. The US government
really does this. I'm not privy to much more detail than that as I'm not in law enforcement, but suffice to say this sort of thing appears in the US regs and the JPATS hubs and terminals are clearly listed in published information for pilots as being off-limits to civilians. I speculated that this might play into what the CIA was doing elsewhere as it would to some extent just be an extension of what is already done in the US.
You asked a question, I provided what may be a partial explanation - not an "argument" or an "assumption" so much as a speculation based on my knowledge and experience with the added caveat I might even be wrong. Unless, of course, you simply discredit
anything I may have to say on the matter even after being absent a couple days and thus having an opportunity to think things over.
I was just attempting to share some information on direct question. Otherwise, I'm not commenting on the rest of that because you said you wanted the matter dropped. If you've changed your mind and want to re-open that particular sub-topic then say so, but otherwise I don't feel I can reply without running afoul of your directive as moderator.