The 2016 US Election (Part I)

[trekky0623]

Because "ha ha, his family had a funny-sounding name" is exactly the sort of xenophobia he and his supporters demonstrate, basically.

It's not about the name being funny. It's about attempting to deny Trump brand recognition and the connotations he has worked to attach to the name Trump. The name "Trump" is itself a brand meant to symbolize wealth and success. People using the name Drumpf are attempting to separate that from him, IMO.

[DaveJB]

Maybe there wasn't any actual racist intent behind the whole "Drumpf" thing, but it's easy to see why people might think there is. Especially when something that's still one of the most common ways of denigrating the current POTUS is to refer to him as "Barack HUSSEIN Obama."

[Khaat]

The name "Trump" is itself a brand meant to symbolize wealth and success.

... For anyone who stopped learning things in grade-school in the 80's maybe. Oh, wait, that's his voting base.

Clearly spelling out the immigrant success story is meant to dissociate the two, not call into question the man's anti-immigration stance. [/sarcasm]

[Mr Bean]

Because "ha ha, his family had a funny-sounding name" is exactly the sort of xenophobia he and his supporters demonstrate, basically.

It's not about the name being funny. It's about attempting to deny Trump brand recognition and the connotations he has worked to attach to the name Trump. The name "Trump" is itself a brand meant to symbolize wealth and success. People using the name Drumpf are attempting to separate that from him, IMO.

Except here's the thing

Donald Trump entire business career is one long string of failed businesses, shady practices and questionable decisions
Calling him Drumpf is idiotic when you have such great things like Trump Casino's (A casino that lost money) or Trump University (A shady fly by night degree mill) or any one of the two dozen shit things Donald Trump sold his name to.

Dan Savage famously got the name of Santorum added as a term for a particular byproduct of sex, look it up, good fun by all. Donald Trump did the same thing to himself over the last thirty years and because he's going 2/30 you say no no, because he won two and lost twenty eight we must change him name least he slather himself in the glory of his two wins because we are to not smart to figure out how to slam him with his twenty eight loses.

That's why it's utterly moronic, either your an idiot or your Hussaning Obama, except his middle name really is Hussan.

[Flagg]

Because "ha ha, his family had a funny-sounding name" is exactly the sort of xenophobia he and his supporters demonstrate, basically.

It's not about the name being funny. It's about attempting to deny Trump brand recognition and the connotations he has worked to attach to the name Trump. The name "Trump" is itself a brand meant to symbolize wealth and success. People using the name Drumpf are attempting to separate that from him, IMO.

Except here's the thing

Donald Trump entire business career is one long string of failed businesses, shady practices and questionable decisions
Calling him Drumpf is idiotic when you have such great things like Trump Casino's (A casino that lost money) or Trump University (A shady fly by night degree mill) or any one of the two dozen shit things Donald Trump sold his name to.

Dan Savage famously got the name of Santorum added as a term for a particular byproduct of sex, look it up, good fun by all. Donald Trump did the same thing to himself over the last thirty years and because he's going 2/30 you say no no, because he won two and lost twenty eight we must change him name least he slather himself in the glory of his two wins because we are to not smart to figure out how to slam him with his twenty eight loses.

That's why it's utterly moronic, either your an idiot or your Hussaning Obama, except his middle name really is Hussan.

You need spellcheck. But yeah, this. The "Trump Brand" is that of failure. That's why I call him "fake billionaire Donald 'Il Douche' Trump". Because it gets across that he's a phony with no actual financial success to his name. Also "Il Douche" (as opposed to "Il Duce", what Mussolini was called), both gets across his thuggery, stupid facial expressions, and fact that he runs things like a tyrant. Plus, he's a douche.

[Lord MJ]

Well for now the Democratic primary race is still going on. So I did want to post this about Bernie's hand in dumping toxic waste. Have Clinton supporters claiming the media is "biased" in favor of Bernie because they haven't challenged him on this.

Note: Low level nuclear waste refers to workers gloves and scrap metal. Not sludge or anything like that. Also the facility was originally intended to be located 5 miles outside of the town.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016 ... -to-bernie

#VettingBernie: How Sanders Cleared Way to Dump Toxic Nuclear Waste on Poor Hispanics (and How They Fought Back)

Kris Jirapinyo February 17, 2016
Back in 1994, the state of Vermont had a problem: it had a nuclear power plant operating, but nowhere to dispose of the toxic waste. The Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant, located in Vernon, VT, provided 71.8% of all electricity generated within Vermont, amounting to 35% of Vermont's electricity consumption, according to figures in 2008. However, Vernon was deemed to be geologically unsuitable for nuclear waste disposal, so a search by the state began for a new low-level radioactive waste dump site. The result of the search: enter a tri-state compact with Texas and Maine to build a disposal facility in Texas and ship the waste there. Vermont's Legislature passed the General Assembly Act 137, which outlined the compact but still needed US Congressional approval to enact.

Enter our hero, then-Representative Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who ardently supported and co-sponsored the bill H.R. 629, the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Consent Act. Once passed and signed, the bill would validate the currently existing individual state bills, and thus start the construction of the waste disposal site. But where in Texas would the dump site be? Tasked with finding a suitable location, the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Authority (TLLRWDA) recommended to build the waste facility five miles away from a small town in West Texas called Sierra Blanca:
“Sierra Blanca is a small town in Hudspeth County about 90 miles southeast of El Paso, TX and only 16 miles north of the Mexico border. There are about 900 residents, 60% of whom are mostly Hispanic. 30% of the roughly 430 housing units are vacant. Sierra Blanca is an extremely poor town where almost a third of the households live below the poverty level of $15,000. The town’s per capita income is about $10,500 but the entire county’s is only $8,000”
And how did they come to a decision to pick that town? Fighting the passage of bill H.R. 629 in the senate, Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN) spoke on the matter in great length and detail. In short, it was a case of environmental injustice. Despite the findings of the consultants that Sierra Blanca was not a good site due to its “complex geology” and also a history of earthquakes in the past due to tectonic faults in El Paso and Hudspeth counties, the Waste Authority still went ahead and picked the site because the people living there would be least likely to resist or make a fuss about it, since the majority of the residents are Spanish-speaking and poor. They had tried to pick other locations for the site, but was met with either lawsuit or fierce opposition. So, finally, the Waste Authority just gave up and chose the path of least resistance, procedures and recommendations be damned. Texas legislature also gave a helping hand by passing the Box Law and stripped the rights of the residents in Sierra Blanca from suing. The only recourse they could take was to obtain an injunction from the state Supreme Court, which means they would have to make the 500-mile trip to Austin just to be heard.

A factoid one should note here was that at this time, the governor for whom the TLLRWDA was working was none other than George W. Bush. Oh, and Jane Sanders, Bernie's wife, sits on the Board of this wonderful Texas authority.

So, despite all that has happened to select the nuclear waste site, what was the course of action taken by Bernie Sanders? He feigned ignorance. Instead of acknowledging the environmental injustice that was going on, he washed his hands clean of any responsibility for that. While introducing the bill to the House, he insisted that it was not Congress’s job to designate a specific disposal site but that the task should be left up to Texas, a thinly veiled attempt to renege on responsibility and instead pass the buck to someone else. As far as he’s concerned, it’s only his job to ensure that somehow Vermont can send their toxic waste to Texas. The town name Sierra Blanca was mentioned over 58 times during the course of the debates on the bill. It’s highly doubtful that Bernie Sanders didn’t know exactly where they were going to dump the toxic waste from Vermont.

Fortunately, the local residents were not just going to take it lying down. In 1994, Bill Addington, a resident of Sierra Blanca, with the help of the Nuclear Responsibility Network, formed the Sierra Blanca Legal Defense Fund (SBLDF) to try to fight the building of the toxic site. Eventually, in 1998, a group of West Texas residents made their way all the way to Vermont, in hopes of elucidating the people there how the nuclear waste from out of state was affecting their lives. For weeks, they spoke in front of committees, with Vermont residents unaware of what was going on, and gained compassion and even apologies from them. Finally, they met with Bernie Sanders on the issue. What was his response? Drop dead:
“Before the rally Sanders invited the three West Texans to meet with him privately, and the Texans eagerly agreed. The meeting was no longer than Sanders’ attention span - when it comes to Sierra Blanca. “He didn’t listen,” Curry said. “He had his mind made up.” Afterward, Bernie was giving his pro forma campaign speech, never mentioning nuclear power or nuclear waste. Sierra Blanca activist Bill Addington, who’d arrived just that morning to join the march, along with his neighbor María Méndez, had had enough, and he yelled from the crowd, “What about my home, Bernie? What about Sierra Blanca?”

Several others joined in. “What about Sierra Blanca, Bernie?”

Sanders left the stage, which surprised no one in the small Texas delegation. Earlier, he had told them, “My position is unchanged, and you’re not gonna like it.” When they asked if he would visit the site in Sierra Blanca, he said, “Absolutely not. I’m gonna be running for re-election in the state of Vermont.””
By now, it's clear that Bernie Sanders knew of Sierra Blanca, and despite the same pleas made by the West Texas residents as they had done with the Vermont residents, he was unmoved. Worse, there was no sense of compassion or remorse from him for what the bill was going to do to the residents of Sierra Blanca. His mind was already made up, and nothing can convince him to change his position. As the bill HR 629 had already passed both chambers of Congress with veto-proof margins and was just waiting to be signed into law, it was already a done deal. By this point, it seemed that his re-election campaign was more important than the plight of these West Texas residents. It is interesting to note the pattern we see here that is also currently in his campaign, where his focus is always in making stump speeches and ignore or evade direct questions not answerable by his well-rehearsed talking points.

Fortunately, that was not the end of the road for the residents of Sierra Blanca. Efforts continued from the SBLDF and even from the Mexican Government, who cited that the building of nuclear waste site so near the border violates the La Paz Agreement of 1983, which states that both the US and Mexico must work toward reducing or even eliminating “contaminating sources” 64 miles north and south of the border. Many Mexican officials from nearby towns across the border also protested due to the seemingly blatant environmental injustice occurring in Sierra Blanca. Due to these pressures, in the end, despite congressional and state approvals, the Texas Natural Resources Conservation Commission voted 3-0 on October 20, 1998 to deny the TLLRWDA a license to build a disposal facility outside Sierra Blanca, citing concerns regarding the socioeconomic impact and safety. Thus, victory was achieved for these residents of Sierra Blanca, no thanks to Bernie Sanders.

So, what did we learn about our glorious revolution leader Bernie Sanders from all this? First, all his claim of having always cared about the poor and fighting for minorities is a lie. He was willing to let a powerless group of underprivileged Hispanics suffer for the benefit of his mostly Caucasian Vermont constituents. He was willing to let environmental injustice play out at the expense of the Sierra Blanca residents. It is disgustingly hypocritical of him that on his official campaign website right now, he touts that he will fight racial injustice, with one of the sub-issues being environmental violence. Where was his sense of racial injustice then, when he tried to dump toxic waste on the poor people of Sierra Blanca? It was not even in his realm of concern, because he did not need the vote of the people of Sierra Blanca to keep himself in office in Vermont. But now that he needs the Latino votes, he hopes that everyone will forget this little incident here in West Texas.

Second, he is just another deceptive politician who refuses to be culpable for his actions. He pretended to not know where the exact dump site was going to be and emphatically noted in his speech upon introducing the bill that it’s not their job to debate about the actual site because that is the responsibility of Texas legislature and its "people". He smartly protected himself in case something bad came out of this, since he could easily blame it on Texas. According to him, he's not responsible for picking Sierra Blanca as the waste disposal site. Rather than saying the buck stops here and be held accountable for it, he chose to pass the buck instead. Is this a quality we want in our potential next President, someone who avoids taking responsibility when things could possibly go negative?

Third, just like the Texas Waste Authority, he took the path of least resistance, choosing the easy way out. If he had really cared about the environmental injustice suffered by underprivileged Hispanics, he could have recommended that Vermont pull out of the compact until a more suitable site is found, one that does not reek so badly of socioeconomic and environmental racism. He could also have supported the proposed amendments to the bill by Senator Wellstone to give rights to sue back to the residents of Sierra Blanca. But seeing as to how those amendments might jeopardize the tri-state Compact, he vehemently opposed it. In the end, all he cared about was to find the easiest way to rid Vermont of its nuclear toxic waste, instead of choosing to stand up for what is right and just.

Fourth, when Bernie Sanders has made up his mind, one cannot convince him otherwise. The confrontation between him and the residents of Sierra Blanca in Vermont was very telling. He had already made up his mind, and nothing the residents said, even detailing how their lives will be adversely affected by the bill, will change his mind. Some of his supporters might say this uncompromising quality is something they like in him, since it seems like he's "standing his ground" or not bending to the outside influences. As he makes grandiose plans to pass single-payer healthcare and free college for all, by being unyielding and not listening to others and compromise even when faced with new evidence, Bernie Sanders only guarantees that we will never see the light of day for any of his lofty goals.

So, let's face it. Bernie Sanders is no revolutionary. In the end, he's just another opportunistic career politician who will do and say things just to advance himself in the office--just like how he is opportunistic now all of a sudden wanting to proclaim to be the leader of the Democratic Party, despite having remained an independent and never having really done anything to help the party in the past twenty years. The MSM rhetoric has been highly pro-Sanders because they want to prolong this primary race for ratings. But the sooner the people realize who he really is and start to scrutinize and question his choices in the past, such as this abhorrent bill to dump toxic waste on the poor people of Sierra Blanca, the better off we will be.

[Flagg]

I like how Sanders basically just came out recently to admit that while he's the longest serving independent in the Senate (though he caucuses with the Democrats) he only ran in the Democratic primary for media exposure. As much as I dislike Hillary Clinton, why would I want to vote for some guy who's running on the Democratic ticket just because he thinks it gets him media air time, as opposed to running on the Democratic Party platform?

But he can't run as an independent because he's "Not a billionaire".

[Crown]

Maybe there wasn't any actual racist intent behind the whole "Drumpf" thing, but it's easy to see why people might think there is. Especially when something that's still one of the most common ways of denigrating the current POTUS is to refer to him as "Barack HUSSEIN Obama."

I was gonna bring up the "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" as an example of how non-effective this whole "Drumpf" business is (other than to give me a chuckle). People that were going to vote for him are still gonna vote for him and people that weren't aren't. The unknown is what it's going to do with the undecided/independent voters, but since there is strong murmurs that Hillary will not win the independents and we all know that the only way Republican's can win is if Democrats and Independents stay home we're in a pickle if this will do anything at all.

I suspect it wont. You can - simply put - not ridicule this man. He is a ridicule. Anything else is redundant.

[Soontir C'boath]

That was suppose to be the ironic part of Drumpf though since Trump himself has derided other people namely Sanders for not using their own original surnames.

[Ziggy Stardust]

I was gonna bring up the "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" as an example of how non-effective this whole "Drumpf" business is (other than to give me a chuckle). People that were going to vote for him are still gonna vote for him and people that weren't aren't. The unknown is what it's going to do with the undecided/independent voters, but since there is strong murmurs that Hillary will not win the independents and we all know that the only way Republican's can win is if Democrats and Independents stay home we're in a pickle if this will do anything at all.

I suspect it wont. You can - simply put - not ridicule this man. He is a ridicule. Anything else is redundant.

Why are you (and others) acting like the Drumpf business was supposed to be an effective political statement? As I said in my last post, it's just a method of showing how little you respect the person. Like calling George Bush "Shrub", or whatever. I doubt anyone honestly thinks it is going to have any effect on the world, but it is a pretty common way for people to vent about someone they don't like.

Similarly, the racism angle some people are throwing around is a huge stretch. The example with Barack HUSSEIN Obama doesn't fit, because in that situation it was an actual political agenda. Remember, people were bringing that up for the express purpose of trying to convince everyone that Obama was a Muslim and not an American citizen (or whatever) and thus an illegitimate president. Nobody is making similarly statements a la Drumpf/Trump. People are only saying it as a petty act of disrespect, they aren't using it and its origin as leverage for any sort of political stance or to try and discredit him.

That said, it's still STUPID to call him Drumpf, don't get me wrong. I don't call him that and won't start. I just think it's silly how much people are jumping over it, here, when similar petty "wrong names" are frequently used by people (both in general and on these forums in particular) to vent frustration/anger/etc.

[Jaepheth]

I don't like the Drumpf thing; for the aforementioned reasons, and also because I find it too reminiscent of those who make it a point to refuse to use the legally changed (or simply preferred) names/genders of the transgender community.

[biostem]

If someone legally changes their name, regardless of reason, and you fail to recognize it, then *you* are the one in the wrong. The only exception I could see is if the person were to change their name to something offensive or inappropriate to TV/radio/etc, (though I don't know if curse words or entire phrases are permitted for name changes - though something that's an innuendo, like "Pussy Galore" from James Bond, might be doable).

[Gaidin]

5 Cumberland County deputies disciplined in connection with Trump rally

CUMBERLAND COUNTY, N.C. — The Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office said that five deputies have been disciplined in connection with the assault of Rakeem Jones at a Donald Trump rally in Fayetteville on March 9.

The sheriff’s office said the deputies witnessed the assault and did not take action. Three of the deputies were demoted and were also suspended without pay for five days. The other two were suspended without pay for three days. All five deputies face one year of probation.

In a statement, Sheriff Earl "Moose" Butler said the deputies faced disciplinary action for "unsatisfactory performance and failing to discharge the duties and policies of the office of the sheriff."

"The actions of the deputies and their failures to act in situations such as that which occurred during the Trump rally at the Crown Coliseum have never been and will never be tolerated under the policies of this office," Butler said in a statement.

The sheriff's office said that several of the disciplined deputies were involved with the confrontation of Andrew Michaelis, who went on a deadly shooting spree killing family members and assaulting deputies with an assault rifle in July 2014. Their actions in that situation factored into their punishment, Butler said.

"I have taken into account the past bravery and exemplary conduct, including the life-saving and other actions of these deputies in assessing the discipline, and in imposing the sanctions," he said. "We regret that any of the circumstances at the Trump rally occurred, and we regret that we have had to investigate all of these matters."

John Franklin McGraw, 78, was charged with assault and battery and disorderly conduct in connection with the incident. McGraw also faced charges of communicating threats for comments he made about Jones following the rally. 2

Authorities said that Jones was being escorted out of the rally after disrupting Trump’s speech when McGraw edged his way to the end of the row and hit Jones in the head and face.

Jones was part of a group who started shouting in protest minutes after Trump took the stage last Wednesday night. He said he gave McGraw the middle finger after he and many other attendees began yelling at the protesting group. Jones' group was the first of many protesters to be thrown out of the event.

The Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office considered charging Trump with inciting a riot after the incident at the Crown Coliseum, noting that the GOP front-runner made comments during the removal of several protesters at the event. On Monday, the sheriff’s office said "the evidence does not meet the requisites of the law as established under the relevant North Carolina statute and case law to support a conviction of the crime of inciting a riot.”

Well then.

[Flagg]

I'm just glad that "Il Douche" is getting so many first time voters! Really, truly, inspiring.

[the atom]

2. Bernie needs to stay in. Indictment or not (She will be charged the only question is WHEN) but the instant Bernie Sanders gets out Secretary Clinton will begin SPRINTING to the right thinking this will set her up for the general election.

Horseshit. She's not getting indicted for anything, and she is and always has been left wing: http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

Fuck me I'm so fucking sick and tired of this libellous BernieBro horseshit. You're all getting played by a Republican social media campaign and you're lapping it the fuck up.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Fuck me I'm so fucking sick and tired of this libellous BernieBro horseshit. You're all getting played by a Republican social media campaign and you're lapping it the fuck up.

Citation needed.

I mean, I'm hardly what one would consider to be a Bernie Sanders supporter, and I find a good conspiracy theory to be greatly amusing ... but I think this might be the first time I've heard the theory that Sanders is a Manchurian candidate. So, by all means, explain.

[Flagg]

Fuck me I'm so fucking sick and tired of this libellous BernieBro horseshit. You're all getting played by a Republican social media campaign and you're lapping it the fuck up.

Citation needed.

I mean, I'm hardly what one would consider to be a Bernie Sanders supporter, and I find a good conspiracy theory to be greatly amusing ... but I think this might be the first time I've heard the theory that Sanders is a Manchurian candidate. So, by all means, explain.

No, it's supposed to be Sanders supporters saying that Republicans will indict Clinton "any day now!!!" over politically motivated witch hunts about email that will totally kill her campaign (because it's not like everyone will laugh at the patheticness of Republicans spending 6 years trying to dig up dirt on Secretary Clinton only to indict her on shit no one but Republicans care about right before a general or during a primary election) and leave Superhero and Democrat For Media Attention Bernie Sanders!

I mean I think it's idiotic, but it's all Sanders supporters even have left. This hope that anyone who would vote Clinton would be swayed by a laughable indictment over a non-scandal that even Republicans aren't dumb enough to pull in the middle of an election year!

[Simon_Jester]

The question is whether Clinton has political time-bombs that might actually go 'bang' instead of making ridiculous whoopie-cushion noises. The "you mishandled classified information" accusations have the potential to do that, as do any possible allegations from her private emails that she engaged in any quid pro quo involving people the State Department did business with.

[the atom]

Fuck me I'm so fucking sick and tired of this libellous BernieBro horseshit. You're all getting played by a Republican social media campaign and you're lapping it the fuck up.

Citation needed.

I mean, I'm hardly what one would consider to be a Bernie Sanders supporter, and I find a good conspiracy theory to be greatly amusing ... but I think this might be the first time I've heard the theory that Sanders is a Manchurian candidate. So, by all means, explain.

Uh...what? No, I'm saying that a lot of the anti-Hillary stuff being circulated in Sanders' supporters circles is the product of Republican hit groups like America Rising. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/po ... inton.html

From the group's site itself: https://www.americarisingpac.org/about/

America Rising PAC was set up in Spring 2013 to serve as an organization on the right for the sole purpose of exposing the truth about Democrats through video tracking, research, and communications. By cataloguing every Democrat utterance we have the data to ensure they are held accountable for their words and actions.

Our work influenced the 2014 elections. Bloomberg said we “rattled Democrats who were not used to losing the media’s story lines” in 2014. Politico referenced our video of Iowa Democrat Bruce Braley calling Senator Chuck Grassley “a farmer from Iowa who never went to law school” as “a definitive moment in the race, virtually everyone agrees.” The Washington Post’s “The Fix” named us a winner of 2014, saying America Rising “proved its value this cycle.”

We’re also looking forward to influencing the 2016 elections. The Washington Post and CNN have called America Rising the leading group on the right preparing for a Hillary Clinton candidacy and the earliest sustained effort to begin defining future Democratic presidential contenders. Follow our Hillary Clinton coverage here.

[The Romulan Republic]

2. Bernie needs to stay in. Indictment or not (She will be charged the only question is WHEN) but the instant Bernie Sanders gets out Secretary Clinton will begin SPRINTING to the right thinking this will set her up for the general election.

Horseshit. She's not getting indicted for anything, and she is and always has been left wing: http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

Fuck me I'm so fucking sick and tired of this libellous BernieBro horseshit. You're all getting played by a Republican social media campaign and you're lapping it the fuck up.

And I will restate that the BernieBro label (at least when I've seen it used in the past) specifically has connotations of sexism, so if you use that label for Sanders supporters, you are implying that we are opposing Clinton and using the indictment argument because of her gender.

[the atom]

2. Bernie needs to stay in. Indictment or not (She will be charged the only question is WHEN) but the instant Bernie Sanders gets out Secretary Clinton will begin SPRINTING to the right thinking this will set her up for the general election.

Horseshit. She's not getting indicted for anything, and she is and always has been left wing: http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

Fuck me I'm so fucking sick and tired of this libellous BernieBro horseshit. You're all getting played by a Republican social media campaign and you're lapping it the fuck up.

And I will restate that the BernieBro label (at least when I've seen it used in the past) specifically has connotations of sexism, so if you use that label for Sanders supporters, you are implying that we are opposing Clinton and using the indictment argument because of her gender.

'BernieBro' just refers to the shitty side of Sanders' fanbase. Elements of sexism are there but they're hardly the single thing that they're criticized for.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, if that's the intent behind it, I won't object, though I personally don't see why an indictment is out of the question. I doubt the FBI under the Obama Justice Department would be pursuing it so relentlessly if their was nothing there.

In any case, as a Sanders supporter I hope Clinton doesn't get indicted during the election. Worst case, she'd be the nominee anyway and it would sink her campaign. Best case, Sanders replaces her, but then he's won by default/circumstances rather than on his own merits.

[Flagg]

The only way in hell Hillary Clinton gets indicted for anything before election day 2016 is if she dropkicks a baby across a room on national television. Now, if there is any substance to the massive fart noises emanating from every Republican House panel investigating anything for 6 years regarding Hillary Clinton, the fallout will occur if Hillary loses to Donald Trump in the General Election .

Should that impossibility happen, she may be indicted long enough for Obama to pardon her, but who cares at that point? the Republic is over and Melancholia will destroy the Earth.

As far as Bernie Sanders, he lacks even the minute integrity most people give even the scum-baggiest of politicians. I mean he fucking flat out admitted that he only ran as "D" to get the media attention he wouldn't get were he to run as what he actually is; a liberal Independent. So instead of setting up a "Bernie (you know, the NRA-Lover from Vermont Who's a Liberal!) Sanders Independent for President Campaign", he jumped in as a Democrat for the money. He's like a guy that shows up to a wedding reception with a name-tag and sharpie he brought from home and writes "Mr. <Grooms Last Name>" on it for free food and alcohol.

[Thanas]

I don't think that is fair to Sanders, he has always been one of the highest integrity, especially during the Bush years. And he has raised important issues.

As for being in on the money, just no.He has never been in it for the money at all. Not even once.

[Ziggy Stardust]

The only way in hell Hillary Clinton gets indicted for anything before election day 2016 is if she dropkicks a baby across a room on national television. Now, if there is any substance to the massive fart noises emanating from every Republican House panel investigating anything for 6 years regarding Hillary Clinton, the fallout will occur if Hillary loses to Donald Trump in the General Election .

Have you even been paying attention to the Clinton situation at all? Because this isn't just another Republican House panel, this is an investigation by the FBI. It's very different than, say, the Benghazi committee or what-have-you. There is a non-zero chance of something being found that could result in her being indicted.