georgia plans white only prom

[Darth Wong]

When the AP asticle makes no reference at all to any statement by the school officials I'm inclined to believe he didn't get one for whatever reason. Certainly even a no comment would have been reference if he got one. The reportor whose story you cited did so that settles the matter.

It was obvious from the beginning. You can tell yourself it wasn't, and that you weren't knee-jerking, but you will ONLY fool yourself.

It's not just this arguement. It's ever chance you got to pontificate about Southern America.

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't ever say anything disparaging about a region where interracial dating is still taboo. I'd hate to offend anyone

In future, I will try to be more careful before insulting racist donkey-fuckers, just so I won't offend YOU. OK?

It means they won't commit to anything. Racism is distinct possibility but not the only one. What ever it is it amounts to saying we don't care or worse, I won't deny that.

Racism is the ONLY possibility. No one who wasn't racist would react (or more accurately, refuse to react) the way they did. They are not cowering in fear, no matter how much bullshit you may want to pile onto the situation.

[Kelly Antilles]

Ever heard of PEER PRESSURE?? If you read the article again, it says that a lot of the white students were probably pressured into agreeing on the seperate prom by a select few.

Does that mean the entire town is racist? Everyone at the school is racist?

[Darth Wong]

Ever heard of PEER PRESSURE?? If you read the article again, it says that a lot of the white students were probably pressured into agreeing on the seperate prom by a select few.

Does that mean the entire town is racist? Everyone at the school is racist?

Everyone going to the prom or not speaking out against it is racist. That means a considerable proportion of the students and parents as well as the entire faculty. The young black woman in the article is speaking out against it without fear of reprisals, and if you think it's OK to go along with racism so you can get along with your chosen peer group, that's quite frankly terrible.

[Kelly Antilles]

I will remind you, Mike. It's been a LONG time since you were 16/17/18. Peer groups are everything to kids. Peer pressure is all consuming at that age. These kids haven't learned to be independant thinkers yet. They don't want controversy at all. THAT is why they don't "speak up". Of course, you never went through any of that.

[haas mark]

Ever heard of PEER PRESSURE?? If you read the article again, it says that a lot of the white students were probably pressured into agreeing on the seperate prom by a select few.

Does that mean the entire town is racist? Everyone at the school is racist?

Everyone going to the prom or not speaking out against it is racist. That means a considerable proportion of the students and parents as well as the entire faculty. The young black woman in the article is speaking out against it without fear of reprisals, and if you think it's OK to go along with racism so you can get along with your chosen peer group, that's quite frankly terrible.

I don't remember Kelly saying anywhere that she condones it.. However, I see you saying that it's okay (in your own respect), Wong. You're stating that because people don't speak out, it's racist, and because no onbe speaks out, it's okay. So therefore, you're saying it's okay to be racist (in this example).

However, the person that is speaking out is unafraid of reprisals. The kids that said they want the segregation.. how do you know exactly what is going on? How do you know that lives aren't threatened? Keep in mind this IS Georgia, Wong. One of the most racist states out there (along with Mississippi and Alabama..).

[haas mark]

Also note that by saying that they're racist states, I'm NOT saying that everyone in those states is racist. I'm only saying that in those states it is the most common.

[Darth Wong]

I will remind you, Mike. It's been a LONG time since you were 16/17/18. Peer groups are everything to kids. Peer pressure is all consuming at that age. These kids haven't learned to be independant thinkers yet. They don't want controversy at all. THAT is why they don't "speak up". Of course, you never went through any of that.

When I was a teen, I went through enough peer pressure. If something offended me on that level, I still wouldn't do it. That's why I never took up smoking. And that's why I'm contemptuous of anyone going to this segregated prom. Peer pressure is no excuse.

[Darth Wong]

Everyone going to the prom or not speaking out against it is racist. That means a considerable proportion of the students and parents as well as the entire faculty. The young black woman in the article is speaking out against it without fear of reprisals, and if you think it's OK to go along with racism so you can get along with your chosen peer group, that's quite frankly terrible.

I don't remember Kelly saying anywhere that she condones it.. However, I see you saying that it's okay (in your own respect), Wong. You're stating that because people don't speak out, it's racist, and because no onbe speaks out, it's okay. So therefore, you're saying it's okay to be racist (in this example).

What the fuck are you talking about, Verilon? I'm saying it's NOT OK! ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT I CONDONE THESE GODDAMNED DONKEY-FUCKING ASSHOLES AND THEIR MOTHERFUCKING RACIST SEGREGATED PROM?!?!?!???

However, the person that is speaking out is unafraid of reprisals. The kids that said they want the segregation.. how do you know exactly what is going on? How do you know that lives aren't threatened? Keep in mind this IS Georgia, Wong. One of the most racist states out there (along with Mississippi and Alabama..).

Of course it's a highly racist state. But if I say that, then people get all pissed off at me because it's so unfair to point out harsh facts.

[Durandal]

I will remind you, Mike. It's been a LONG time since you were 16/17/18. Peer groups are everything to kids. Peer pressure is all consuming at that age. These kids haven't learned to be independant thinkers yet. They don't want controversy at all. THAT is why they don't "speak up". Of course, you never went through any of that.

I find it hard to believe that there isn't a single free-thinking white person amongst the 300 or so that were said to comprise the student body. If it was my school, you can sure as Hell bet that I'd be lambasting these assholes for the racists they are. There isn't a single person like me in that school?

Of course, the other possibility is that no one speaks out for fear of real reprisal, not just peer alienation. The fucktards organizing the event could very well be the types who would burn a cross outside of a white kid's house for speaking out or set it on fire or something. From what I've been reading, I'm not sure how much town officials would really care.

[Darth Wong]

Of course, the other possibility is that no one speaks out for fear of real reprisal, not just peer alienation. The fucktards organizing the event could very well be the types who would burn a cross outside of a white kid's house for speaking out or set it on fire or something. From what I've been reading, I'm not sure how much town officials would really care.

Last year's kids weren't worried about any of this. Lawlessness couldn't have gotten that much more severe in one year.

[haas mark]

Everyone going to the prom or not speaking out against it is racist. That means a considerable proportion of the students and parents as well as the entire faculty. The young black woman in the article is speaking out against it without fear of reprisals, and if you think it's OK to go along with racism so you can get along with your chosen peer group, that's quite frankly terrible.

I don't remember Kelly saying anywhere that she condones it.. However, I see you saying that it's okay (in your own respect), Wong. You're stating that because people don't speak out, it's racist, and because no onbe speaks out, it's okay. So therefore, you're saying it's okay to be racist (in this example).

What the fuck are you talking about, Verilon? I'm saying it's NOT OK! ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT I CONDONE THESE GODDAMNED DONKEY-FUCKING ASSHOLES AND THEIR MOTHERFUCKING RACIST SEGREGATED PROM?!?!?!???

You said, "Everyone going to the prom or not speaking out against it is racist." What I'm saying is this: If they go to the prom, they're racist. If people don't speak out, they're racist. This is what you're coming off like. But it also seems to me that if they don't speak out, it's okay. Transitionally, then, if it's okay to not speak out, and not speaking out is racist, IT'S OKAY TO BE RACIST.

However, the person that is speaking out is unafraid of reprisals. The kids that said they want the segregation.. how do you know exactly what is going on? How do you know that lives aren't threatened? Keep in mind this IS Georgia, Wong. One of the most racist states out there (along with Mississippi and Alabama..).

Of course it's a highly racist state. But if I say that, then people get all pissed off at me because it's so unfair to point out harsh facts.

....Am I getting pissed off about that fact....?

[haas mark]

Another thought: How much parental influence is placed here?

[Kelly Antilles]

Of course it's a highly racist state. But if I say that, then people get all pissed off at me because it's so unfair to point out harsh facts.

Well, you finally got it right. You have just always said it's a "racist" state. You never once stated it was a "highly racist" state. THere is a difference. Had you pointed that out to begin with, I don't think we'd be here right now.

[Durandal]

Of course, the other possibility is that no one speaks out for fear of real reprisal, not just peer alienation. The fucktards organizing the event could very well be the types who would burn a cross outside of a white kid's house for speaking out or set it on fire or something. From what I've been reading, I'm not sure how much town officials would really care.

Last year's kids weren't worried about any of this. Lawlessness couldn't have gotten that much more severe in one year.

True enough, but there is some measure of difference between promoting integration (like last year's kids did) and outrightly condemning segregation. A racist fuckwit is more liable to take offense to me calling him a racist fuckwit than if I simply said that we should have an integrated prom.

[Darth Wong]

Of course it's a highly racist state. But if I say that, then people get all pissed off at me because it's so unfair to point out harsh facts.

Well, you finally got it right. You have just always said it's a "racist" state. You never once stated it was a "highly racist" state. THere is a difference. Had you pointed that out to begin with, I don't think we'd be here right now.

"Highly racist" is LESS of an insult than "racist"? WTF?

[Kelly Antilles]

Last year's kids weren't worried about any of this. Lawlessness couldn't have gotten that much more severe in one year.

Here's a thought. The kids who are organizing the "all-white" prom are the students who disagreed with the decision last year to integrate the prom. Also, the article says that lots of students went to the prom anyway.

[Darth Wong]

You said, "Everyone going to the prom or not speaking out against it is racist." What I'm saying is this: If they go to the prom, they're racist. If people don't speak out, they're racist. This is what you're coming off like.

Correct. Participating in it or failing to speak out against it makes somebody a racist.

But it also seems to me that if they don't speak out, it's okay. Transitionally, then, if it's okay to not speak out, and not speaking out is racist, IT'S OKAY TO BE RACIST.

What have you been smoking? How can you look at a line saying "not speaking out against it is racist" and conclude "if they don't speak out, it's okay?"

Of course it's a highly racist state. But if I say that, then people get all pissed off at me because it's so unfair to point out harsh facts.

....Am I getting pissed off about that fact....?

No, you're just misrepresenting my position in the most insane way possible.

[Kelly Antilles]

Well, you finally got it right. You have just always said it's a "racist" state. You never once stated it was a "highly racist" state. THere is a difference. Had you pointed that out to begin with, I don't think we'd be here right now.

"Highly racist" is LESS of an insult than "racist"? WTF?[/quote]

When you say racist, that is stating the ENTIRE STATE is racist. It's like saying San Francisco is Gay.

[Darth Wong]

Last year's kids weren't worried about any of this. Lawlessness couldn't have gotten that much more severe in one year.

Here's a thought. The kids who are organizing the "all-white" prom are the students who disagreed with the decision last year to integrate the prom.

Of course they are. They're hardcore racists. And the kids who are going are the students who don't see what's wrong with segregation. They're softcore racists.

Also, the article says that lots of students went to the prom anyway.

Sure, they don't see what's wrong with segregation, so they went to the first prom, and they'll go the second one because they figure they'll have a good time. They're the softcore racists.

[Darth Wong]

Let's put it this way, folks: if you walked by a restaurant, and it had a big sign on the front saying "no blacks allowed", would you go in and eat there? Or would you choose a different restaurant?

[Kelly Antilles]

"softcore racist" : please explain.

[haas mark]

You said, "Everyone going to the prom or not speaking out against it is racist." What I'm saying is this: If they go to the prom, they're racist. If people don't speak out, they're racist. This is what you're coming off like.

Correct. Participating in it or failing to speak out against it makes somebody a racist.

Participating in the prom makes them racist, yes. NOT SPEAKING OUT DOES NOT MAKE THEM RACIST. Not speaking out might make them cowardly or stupid, but by all means, it is not racist. But then, by your logic, speaking out agaist it could be racist in the opposite way, too. SO I suggest on that point, you STFU, because you know I'm right. Someone might not speak out due to peer or parentla influenc. Happens all too often these days.

But it also seems to me that if they don't speak out, it's okay. Transitionally, then, if it's okay to not speak out, and not speaking out is racist, IT'S OKAY TO BE RACIST.

What have you been smoking? How can you look at a line saying "not speaking out against it is racist" and conclude "if they don't speak out, it's okay?"

Because it IS okay not to speak out. Period. You have to put your shoes in their society. What, are you afraid to do that, because your points might be shot down for once? Oh, please...

Of course it's a highly racist state. But if I say that, then people get all pissed off at me because it's so unfair to point out harsh facts.

....Am I getting pissed off about that fact....?

No, you're just misrepresenting my position in the most insane way possible.

First off, I AM fucking insane, okay? Second, I'm not misrepresenting your position.

[Darth Wong]

"softcore racist" : please explain.

The kind of person who isn't an activist, but has no real problem with racist institutions such as segregation. I thought I made that clear.

[Darth Wong]

Participating in the prom makes them racist, yes. NOT SPEAKING OUT DOES NOT MAKE THEM RACIST. Not speaking out might make them cowardly or stupid, but by all means, it is not racist. But then, by your logic, speaking out agaist it could be racist in the opposite way, too. SO I suggest on that point, you STFU, because you know I'm right. Someone might not speak out due to peer or parentla influenc. Happens all too often these days.

So they consider racism less of an issue than peer pressure. Obviously, they don't think racism is important to enough to fight against. What part of this do you not understand?

Because it IS okay not to speak out. Period.

Not unless you have a legitimate self-preservation instinct as an excuse, and they don't.

You have to put your shoes in their society. What, are you afraid to do that, because your points might be shot down for once? Oh, please...

OK Verilon, you want to make this personal? Fine, you're being a jack-ass because you think teenagers shouldn't have any principles and should always go along with whatever the crowd does, no matter how morally depraved it is. Nice attitude.

First off, I AM fucking insane, okay? Second, I'm not misrepresenting your position.

Bullshit. You said "However, I see you saying that it's okay (in your own respect), Wong", which is, of course, the exact OPPOSITE of what I said. Don't be an asshole.

[Kelly Antilles]

OK Verilon, you want to make this personal? Fine, you're being a jack-ass because you think teenagers shouldn't have any principles and should always go along with whatever the crowd does, no matter how morally depraved it is. Nice attitude.

No, he's saying that kids are like that anyway.