Drunken dad asks 11 year old Son to Drive

[Slartibartfast]

All this discussion is leading us nowhere. Everybody's speculating stuff, the only way to reach a conclusion is to obtain physical, practical evidence. So, in the spirit of this thread I'm going, um, to gather some of that, er evidence, and test a theory, yeah. I'll tell you guys in the hangov... er morning.

[Darth Wong]

I think the problem you are having Aerius, and Wong too, is my belief in "an' it harm none, do what thou wilt".

Your problem.

Bullshit. Our "problem" is that we don't buy your moronic misrepresentation of "this is a stupid thing to do" as "you shouldn't have the right to do that". But be that as it may; I have your idiotic statement on record and I have what I need. Feel free to continue your pathetic whining.

[Darth Servo]

Why do you think people have been getting drunk since Mesopotamia?

BECAUSE ITS FUCKING ADDICTIVE!!! We've only pointed this out about a million times.

[Darth Servo]

The way I see it, yes. I think it's less stupid because I'm the only one at risk. I've jumped my mountain bike down rocky hills densely covered by trees, and I don't think it's stupid. I think it's fun.

So you DO concede that it IS stupid, just less stupid.

I just added emphasis to the original quote.

And I emphasized the part where you contradict that.

[Darth Servo]

That's not even relevent. Of course there are people that would be hurt if I died, but not physically, which is the argument at hand. My friends probably worry at the very thought of me taking my bike out, but it wouldn't harm them physically. Someone might worry about you every time you set foot on a plane, or out of your home at night, so don't try giving me that bullshit.

Of course its relevant. Will you argue that if I come over there and psychologically torture you but do no physical harm that I haven't done anything wrong?

Sorry about the three posts in a row. If a moderator wants to merge them into one, please go right ahead.

[SAMAS]

In other words, it's not stupid because you're the only person who's at risk? Stupidity doesn't come with a minimum limit. After all, a Darwin Award is only give to those who only risked themselves for their stupidity.

The way I see it, yes. I think it's less stupid because I'm the only one at risk. I've jumped my mountain bike down rocky hills densely covered by trees, and I don't think it's stupid. I think it's fun.

And I know it's both. I've careened down tree-strewn inclines by accident before. It was the biggest rush I had ever had, because of the danger involved. And yes, to willingly endager your life like that, in total defiance of the most basic of biological instincts, for little more than an adrenaline rush, is flat-out dumb. Fun, yes, but still dumb.

In short, it doesn't matter how fun it is, or how many or how few are at risk. Stupid is stupid.

[Darth Servo]

EOD, one question. Why does something need to be immoral to be stupid?

From Dictionary.com:

stu·pid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

WOW. Look at that. #2-4 seem to fit the description of someone whos drunk. Just like we've been saying all along. It says NOTHING about hurting someone else.

[Darth Wong]

Besides, EOD has obviously never heard of duty ethics.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Why do you think people have been getting drunk since Mesopotamia?

BECAUSE ITS FUCKING ADDICTIVE!!! We've only pointed this out about a million times.

So, you're saying everyone who's ever indulged in alcohol is an addict? Well done, you're stupid.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

And I know it's both. I've careened down tree-strewn inclines by accident before. It was the biggest rush I had ever had, because of the danger involved. And yes, to willingly endager your life like that, in total defiance of the most basic of biological instincts, for little more than an adrenaline rush, is flat-out dumb. Fun, yes, but still dumb.

In short, it doesn't matter how fun it is, or how many or how few are at risk. Stupid is stupid.

Then according to Darth Wong, you too are "a fucking moron".

I still say it's reckless, not dumb.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

EOD, one question. Why does something need to be immoral to be stupid?

Because that's just where I see the difference between being reckless and being a stupid dick.

[Rye]

EOD, one question. Why does something need to be immoral to be stupid?

From Dictionary.com:

stu·pid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

WOW. Look at that. #2-4 seem to fit the description of someone whos drunk. Just like we've been saying all along. It says NOTHING about hurting someone else.

That would mean the person who is drunk is more likely to act stupid, not that drinking is stupid.

[SAMAS]

EOD, one question. Why does something need to be immoral to be stupid?

From Dictionary.com:

stu·pid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

WOW. Look at that. #2-4 seem to fit the description of someone whos drunk. Just like we've been saying all along. It says NOTHING about hurting someone else.

That would mean the person who is drunk is more likely to act stupid, not that drinking is stupid.

So what would you call intentionally making yourself like that?

[SAMAS]

And I know it's both. I've careened down tree-strewn inclines by accident before. It was the biggest rush I had ever had, because of the danger involved. And yes, to willingly endager your life like that, in total defiance of the most basic of biological instincts, for little more than an adrenaline rush, is flat-out dumb. Fun, yes, but still dumb.

In short, it doesn't matter how fun it is, or how many or how few are at risk. Stupid is stupid.

Then according to Darth Wong, you too are "a fucking moron".

No, because that was an accident. Yes, if I did that on purpose, then I would be dumb.

I still say it's reckless, not dumb.

Same difference.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Yes, if I did that on purpose, then I would be dumb.

Are you telling me that you've never done anything reckless in your entire life? Jesus, I almost feel sorry for you.

I still say it's reckless, not dumb.

Same difference.

In my opinion, there is a big difference.

[Rye]

So what would you call intentionally making yourself like that?

Drinking so much as to impair your judgment to that extent would be dumb.

[General Zod]

How many times have I said so far that I'm not an alcoholic? I don't need alcohol to have fun, I can always play some music or take my bike on the slopes if I want fun. Alcohol is just another form of fun for me, a more social and relaxing one

if you don't need it to have fun, then how come you're constantly harping on everyone that's against getting smashed that they don't know how to have fun because we find the idea of getting drunk idiotic?

[Darth Servo]

Because that's just where I see the difference between being reckless and being a stupid dick.

So a certain Rabid ShitstAin isn't stupid because he isn't hurting anyone?

[aerius]

As far as I understand Embracer Of Darkness's ethics system, the only difference between "reckless" and "stupid" is whether or not someone dies. In other words if someone plays Russian Roulette and lives it's merely reckless, but if his luck runs out and he blows his brains out it's stupid. Duh-DUH...

[Darth Servo]

So, you're saying everyone who's ever indulged in alcohol is an addict? Well done, you're stupid.

Nice strawman fallacy. We have pointed out REPEATEDLY that drinking is addictive which is a known FACT and you distort that to "anyone who drinks is an alcohlic". Might I suggest you not be drunk when trying to debate?

[Darth Servo]

I still say it's reckless, not dumb.

Same difference.

In my opinion, there is a big difference.

Too bad opinions count for exactly two things in a debate: jack and shit.

[SAMAS]

Yes, if I did that on purpose, then I would be dumb.

Are you telling me that you've never done anything reckless in your entire life? Jesus, I almost feel sorry for you.

I was a kid once, wasn't I? Doing stupid things is part and parcel of the whole growing up thing.

I still say it's reckless, not dumb.

Same difference.

In my opinion, there is a big difference.

In your mind, you mean. Doesn't change the fact that your doing stupid stuff for fun. Isn't that supposed to be the entire point?

[Edi]

I think the problem you are having Aerius, and Wong too, is my belief in "an' it harm none, do what thou wilt".

Your problem.

In the context of this argument, are you really so much of a fucking idiot that you can't see that this philosophy of yours doesn't apply to the things you're trying to defend? I'm going to answer my own question by saying that yes, apparently you are really that moronic..

Newsflash:
Engaging in those activities you term "reckless, but not stupid" (meaningless semantic hairsplitting, by the way) such as Russian Roulette, risking breaking your neck going downhill on a wooded slope etc doesn't affect just you. Yeah, if you fuck up, the physical injuries and possible death will happen to you, but the consequences of that fuckup actually touch other people as well. People such as members of your family and your friends. Do you think that it wouldn't hurt them if you died, that they'll just shrug their shoulders and go on with their life as if nothing had happened?

Your actions will have a very real impact on those around you, and pretending otherwise doesn't change that fact. Self-destructive behavior doesn't hurt just you, it also hurts those around you who actually care about you, and can have some really serious consequences (depression, for example, and that's not something to laugh at).

Unless of course you're one of those people who has no family and no friends, in which case talking to you about this sort of thing would be completely useless. Whatever, on the last several pages of this thread you've so completely managed to demonstrate to everyone that you are an idiot that I don't see redemption anytime in the near future.

Edi

[Embracer Of Darkness]

you've so completely managed to demonstrate to everyone that you are an idiot that I don't see redemption anytime in the near future.

Edi

So let me get this straight... I said something you don't agree with, and even consider stupid, and you expect me to even bother trying to "redeem" myself? Redeem myself to who, you? I've never even met you, moron, why should I try to redeem "myself" in your eyes? I think you better re-think this holier than thou judgemental attitude, because some people honestly don't give a fuck wether you think they're retarded or not.

Thanks for giving me the biggest laugh I've ever had to date on this board. Really.

Dumbass.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

As far as I understand Embracer Of Darkness's ethics system, the only difference between "reckless" and "stupid" is whether or not someone dies. In other words if someone plays Russian Roulette and lives it's merely reckless, but if his luck runs out and he blows his brains out it's stupid. Duh-DUH...

Wrong. Basically it's "if they only hurt themselves in the process, then who gives a fuck?"

And yes, I was talking about physical harm, not emotional, for any other idiots out there who want to be nitpicky over something so trivial.

Jeez, my opinion must really fucking hurt you people for you to care so much.