Massive attacks against trains in Spain/Madrid

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-13 01:20am

CNN covers it, but it's not remotely like their coverage of 9/11 or the Iraq War. It's just one of several major breaking news stories as far as they're concerned. It's not THE story.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-03-13 01:31am

According to my partner, they Spanish authorities found an intact "backpack bomb." The weapon was apparently designed to detonate after rescuers entered the building, but failed to go off. It contained, among other things, a cell phone. I imagine that the authorities are examining that phone, and the construction of the backpack, which is apparently more reminiscent of former ETA actions than of Al Qaeda or other radical Islamic groups. More as I learn it.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-03-13 01:35am

Master of Ossus wrote:According to my partner, they Spanish authorities found an intact "backpack bomb." The weapon was apparently designed to detonate after rescuers entered the building, but failed to go off. It contained, among other things, a cell phone. I imagine that the authorities are examining that phone, and the construction of the backpack, which is apparently more reminiscent of former ETA actions than of Al Qaeda or other radical Islamic groups. More as I learn it.

That sounds about right. The modus operandi of ETA usually goes like;

Plant bomb
Call it in
Booby trap the area with other bombs to catch the security forces un-aware

The scary thing is that this time there was no ring in.

A strange wind is blowing for me on this. Perhaps it isn't an either or prospect, what if the two groups (Eta and AlQuaeda) are actually cooperating? Now that is frightening.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-13 01:36am

Master of Ossus wrote:According to my partner, they Spanish authorities found an intact "backpack bomb." The weapon was apparently designed to detonate after rescuers entered the building, but failed to go off. It contained, among other things, a cell phone. I imagine that the authorities are examining that phone, and the construction of the backpack, which is apparently more reminiscent of former ETA actions than of Al Qaeda or other radical Islamic groups. More as I learn it.

Fuck, we keep having to switch our hate between the ETA and Al-Quaeda. It's too confusing.

PS. Good luck.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-03-13 02:44am

Darth Wong wrote: Fuck, we keep having to switch our hate between the ETA and Al-Quaeda. It's too confusing.

PS. Good luck.

Switch our hate? Hate them all. I'm not seeing a reason why we shouldn't go and kill all of the terrorists after things like this. ETA regardless of its involvement already has the blood of 800 people in a nation on its hands.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2004-03-13 03:07am

I'm shaking with pure unbridled rage. These bastards have soaked their hands in the blood of the innocent one to many times. As they sow so shall they reap.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-03-13 03:55am

fgalkin wrote:It was on the front page of almost every paper I've seen today while in Manhattan.

It was front page news in big bold type on the Los Angeles Times, The Orange County Register, and a local paper The Press Telegram.

I read the LA Times coverage. I don't know anyone in Spain, I know next to nothing about Spain. But I still feel the same boiling over anger that I do every time I think of 9-11.

I don't think America in general can be gauged by something like CNN. Sorry.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2004-03-13 06:40am

I'll say one thing, if it was Al-Qaeda, it's brilliant. The fucking bastards. Countries like Spain will think twice now about supporting the US. At least with 9/11 there was the small consolation that it was a bad idea, and blew up in their faces. With this, it actually does help them. Goddam motherfucking shiteaters..

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-03-13 08:35am

The 200th victim of the attack has just died. A youngster. The victim 199 was a 7 months old baby.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-13 08:40am

Fucking hell.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-03-13 08:51am

Colonel Olrik wrote:The 200th victim of the attack has just died. A youngster. The victim 199 was a 7 months old baby.

Honestly I hope they burn whichever group into the ground for this.

Been keeping up what I could, and still shocked at the level of devastion.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-03-13 10:44am

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I'll say one thing, if it was Al-Qaeda, it's brilliant. The fucking bastards. Countries like Spain will think twice now about supporting the US. At least with 9/11 there was the small consolation that it was a bad idea, and blew up in their faces. With this, it actually does help them. Goddam motherfucking shiteaters..

You consider it brilliant to piss off another nation?

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2004-03-13 11:05am

Joe wrote:If I may say so it seems like some people are doing their damnedest to blame this on Eta, even though the more evidence we get, the more it looks like alQaeda. Why is this?

It could be that the Spanish government is already using this as a reason to clamp down harder on ETA- the politicians may not even believe ETA did it- but they can use this to go after them anyway.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-03-13 11:54am

Sothis wrote:
Joe wrote:If I may say so it seems like some people are doing their damnedest to blame this on Eta, even though the more evidence we get, the more it looks like alQaeda. Why is this?
It could be that the Spanish government is already using this as a reason to clamp down harder on ETA- the politicians may not even believe ETA did it- but they can use this to go after them anyway.

Eh, I think that won't work. Because spanish newspapers already got internal papers, were the government demanded, that only the ETA should be blamed. That happend not long after the terror acts.
But since it got out, the government will now be seen as opportunistic and that so shortly before elections......

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-03-13 02:10pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I'll say one thing, if it was Al-Qaeda, it's brilliant. The fucking bastards. Countries like Spain will think twice now about supporting the US. At least with 9/11 there was the small consolation that it was a bad idea, and blew up in their faces. With this, it actually does help them. Goddam motherfucking shiteaters..

Actually I would say its more likely to encourage Spanish support.

That is possibly the only small good thing that can come out of this. It will cause some people to wake up. Too many people I've spoken tp over here are of the idea that it will never happen here, ignoring the fact that terrorist attempts have been foiled in this country.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-03-13 03:05pm

Has anyone suggested a potential third group looking to fuck with police and investigators? This whole thing sounds almost like the Sum of all Fears confusion tactic..

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-13 03:15pm

Clancy != real world.

What evidence? Why would you make such an unsupported tinfoil assertion?

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-03-13 03:19pm

kojikun wrote:Has anyone suggested a potential third group looking to fuck with police and investigators? This whole thing sounds almost like the Sum of all Fears confusion tactic..

There is always the possibility that it's some unknown 3rd group, but there's nothing to support that so far. Until there is, its not really worth considering.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-03-13 03:27pm

BREAKING NEWS!

elmundo wrote: El ministro del Interior, Ángel Acebes, ha anunciado la detención de tres marroquíes y dos hindúes por su presunta vinculación con los atentados en la capital. Los arrestados estarían relacionados con la tarjeta telefónica prepago hallada en la mochila bomba que la policía desactivó junto a la comisaría de Vallecas.

google translator wrote:The minister of the Interior, Acebes Angel, has announced the halting of three Moroccans and two Hindus by his presumed entailment with the attacks in the capital. The arrested ones would be related to the phonecard prepayment found in the knapsack pump that the police deactivated next to the police station of Vallecas

Not quite your typical ETA basque member, IMO.

And it would actually be the first time in history ETA denies the authorship of one of their attacks.

The picture is becoming clear, now let's go nuke Alqaeda. Please?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-03-13 03:32pm

Wait, a Hindu? Hindu's and Muslims HATE one another, this is absurd. WTF is going on..

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-03-13 03:36pm

kojikun wrote:Wait, a Hindu?

My thoughts exactly. Not your typical Islamic terrorist.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-03-13 03:37pm

FROM PUBLICO:

Services of information point with respect to Islamic terrorism Attempted against in Madrid: Spanish government announces detention of five people

the Spanish Government announced has moments the detention of five people, three of Arab origin (Moroccan) and two of Indiana origin, who could be related with attempted against terrorist that they had caused the 200 dead ones and more than a thousand wounded in Madrid. The information was advanced in conference of the press for the Spanish minister of the Interior, Angel Acebes. Little time, the services of Spanish information had before advanced that the indications collected until the o moment on the attempted against ones of anteontem in Madrid disclose 99 percent of hypotheses so that the authorship of the attack has been perpetrated for the Islamic terrorism. In accordance with the sources of the Spanish center of information, not identified for the Cadena To be, Spanish private radio, and cited for international the news agencies, are "about one attempted against of Islamic radical nature, committed for a numerous group, with ten the 15 individuals, that could be already are of the country". However, it continues for determining, among others situations, if the attempted against one directamente was carried through by the Al-Qaeda, the Islamic terrorist organization of Bin Laden, a time that this will be organized through a net that together innumerable cells, affirm the same sources.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-03-13 03:41pm

It is amazing the difference there is between the Spanish/Portuguese media and the rest, in therms of quality, quantity and rapidness. I haven't been able to find this information in english.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-03-13 04:41pm

the main station in dortmund / germany has been closed down at 7:15 PM local time because of some suspicious baggage. the baggage is being investigated and the station remains closed.
i guess it´s only the bag of some dumbass who forgot his bag somwhere, but still... scary.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-03-13 04:44pm

The Spanish minister of defense is getting ridiculous, now. At the same time he says that he still considers ETA the prime suspects, the spanish secret services come out to say there is a 99% chance of being the work of an islamic group

------> At the moment there is a huge manifestation in front of the goverment party headquarters, demanding for the truth, and the government is trying to disband it by force.