White guy shoots two black burglars, third black guy charged

[White Haven]

Just for the sake of argument, there's a third scenario (Not saying it's likely, but it's a nice middle ground): 'Oh shit, he's got a gun, get the sawed-off out of the car!'

Someone running away now doesn't necessary intend to stay away, and given that they'd just beaten one kid into the floor with a baseball bat, I'd be disinclined to give them the benefit of the doubt in the man's place.

[Knife]

Just for the sake of argument, there's a third scenario (Not saying it's likely, but it's a nice middle ground): 'Oh shit, he's got a gun, get the sawed-off out of the car!'

Someone running away now doesn't necessary intend to stay away, and given that they'd just beaten one kid into the floor with a baseball bat, I'd be disinclined to give them the benefit of the doubt in the man's place.

Indeed. Where they were may matter in a legal sense, but morally you could make an argument that after such a savage attack, putting the rabid dogs down was correct.

[Big Phil]

Who gives a fuck if they were shot in the back. Is he supposed to alert them so that they can turn around? What if they had guns too? If they weren't beating his stepson into a brain damaged life with a bat they wouldn't have got shot at all. The got what they gave.

If they are running away and no longer an immediate threat then shooting them is murder. That's where is crosses the line from defense to vigilantism.

Yeah I know. The article says they were shot in the back and then the kid that is alive fled. That sounds to me like the guy went and got his gun and came into what ever room they were in, shooting. It could also indicate he shot them while they were still beating his step son. If the article is accurate about the events.

That's how I read it; the only people claiming the guys were shot in the back as they were fleeing seem to be the NAACP and the families of these "innocent guys who would never harm a fly; it's all whitey's fault."

[Flagg]

If they are running away and no longer an immediate threat then shooting them is murder. That's where is crosses the line from defense to vigilantism.

Yeah I know. The article says they were shot in the back and then the kid that is alive fled. That sounds to me like the guy went and got his gun and came into what ever room they were in, shooting. It could also indicate he shot them while they were still beating his step son. If the article is accurate about the events.

That's how I read it; the only people claiming the guys were shot in the back as they were fleeing seem to be the NAACP and the families of these "innocent guys who would never harm a fly; it's all whitey's fault."

I love how these morons have to try to paint these thugs as some kind of innocent victims.

It's the same with the Jena 6 case. They can't just be content with the facts of the case, they have to turn the victims of racism into some kind of saintly martyrs.

[Knife]

I love how these morons have to try to paint these thugs as some kind of innocent victims.

It's the same with the Jena 6 case. They can't just be content with the facts of the case, they have to turn the victims of racism into some kind of saintly martyrs.

This is a good example of how 'racism' backfires and becomes a moot issue with the 'general populace'.

-Given; rasism exsists.

However, the political card that gets played at obvious examples of nonracism puts pressure on the general public in a 'cry wolf' type of way. Who really gives a fuck if these asshats get a bullet or a gaschamber. But such a case makes it easier for redneck fucks to say the same in different situations and/or makes it harder for actually innocent and/or guilty parties that don't deserve a death penalty that recieve such.

[Flagg]

I love how these morons have to try to paint these thugs as some kind of innocent victims.

It's the same with the Jena 6 case. They can't just be content with the facts of the case, they have to turn the victims of racism into some kind of saintly martyrs.

This is a good example of how 'racism' backfires and becomes a moot issue with the 'general populace'.

-Given; rasism exsists.

However, the political card that gets played at obvious examples of nonracism puts pressure on the general public in a 'cry wolf' type of way. Who really gives a fuck if these asshats get a bullet or a gaschamber. But such a case makes it easier for redneck fucks to say the same in different situations and/or makes it harder for actually innocent and/or guilty parties that don't deserve a death penalty that recieve such.

Yeah, though all too often people just want to pretend that systemized racism doesn't exist anymore and use the victims (as in the case of the Jena 6) own questionable behavior while pretending it exists in a vacuum to justify it.

It's pretty clear to me (assuming the article is accurate and not leaving out a fuckload of information) that racism isn't really an issue in this case beyond the "norms" of our overall society. But even assuming that the white guy clearly murdered these assholes in an act of vigilantism, had illegal drugs in his house, and wasn't charged with it due to racsim in the local PD and DA offices, it doesn't make these dicksnots any less guilty.

We (as a society) seem to forget that just because someone is a victim, doesn't mean they're innocent.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Wait, I thought the article said the homeowner DID have a perscription for the stuff they found in his home.

[Flagg]

Wait, I thought the article said the homeowner DID have a perscription for the stuff they found in his home.

Yeah, I was using a "worst case" scenario where he wasn't legally prescribed marijuana and did actually kill them in cold blood yet still wasn't charged.

[DrMckay]

Pure hypothetical question:

Suppose the father and brutalized stepson were black, and the three men who broke in were white.

How would this change the case's perception in the media, in court, and by the NAACP?

[Flagg]

Pure hypothetical question:

Suppose the father and brutalized stepson were black, and the three men who broke in were white.

How would this change the case's perception in the media, in court, and by the NAACP?

I hate to say it, but I think it would be reversed in alot of ways. The father would almost certainly have been treated differently. I think there's a good possibility he would be facing charges. The media would most likely report on the story as if it were a drug related shooting.

The NAACP would be bitching that this guy was simply defending his family and property, but they would be ignored or derided as race-baiters by the usual suspects. The surviving white guy would almost certainly still be facing murder charges when all is said and done, unless it's a very ingrained good-old-boy situation.

I think when all was said and done, the father would have charges dismissed, or cop a plea with light jailtime and/or probation.

[Havok]

Pure hypothetical question:

Suppose the father and brutalized stepson were black, and the three men who broke in were white.

How would this change the case's perception in the media, in court, and by the NAACP?

I hate to say it, but I think it would be reversed in alot of ways. The father would almost certainly have been treated differently. I think there's a good possibility he would be facing charges. The media would most likely report on the story as if it were a drug related shooting.

The NAACP would be bitching that this guy was simply defending his family and property, but they would be ignored or derided as race-baiters by the usual suspects. The surviving white guy would almost certainly still be facing murder charges when all is said and done, unless it's a very ingrained good-old-boy situation.

I think when all was said and done, the father would have charges dismissed, or cop a plea with light jailtime and/or probation.

If it were anywhere else besides Cali, I would agree with you, but I think that the situation would remain relatively the same if the skin colors were reversed.
Also, white people don't have the same solidarity that black people have. We don't unite in a "cause" because a black guy killed a white guy. We don't identify with other "whites".

[Flagg]

Pure hypothetical question:

Suppose the father and brutalized stepson were black, and the three men who broke in were white.

How would this change the case's perception in the media, in court, and by the NAACP?

I hate to say it, but I think it would be reversed in alot of ways. The father would almost certainly have been treated differently. I think there's a good possibility he would be facing charges. The media would most likely report on the story as if it were a drug related shooting.

The NAACP would be bitching that this guy was simply defending his family and property, but they would be ignored or derided as race-baiters by the usual suspects. The surviving white guy would almost certainly still be facing murder charges when all is said and done, unless it's a very ingrained good-old-boy situation.

I think when all was said and done, the father would have charges dismissed, or cop a plea with light jailtime and/or probation.

If it were anywhere else besides Cali, I would agree with you, but I think that the situation would remain relatively the same if the skin colors were reversed.
Also, white people don't have the same solidarity that black people have. We don't unite in a "cause" because a black guy killed a white guy. We don't identify with other "whites".

Dude, California has a large number of rednecks.

I could totally see this happening in a small town where only 2% of the population is black. I freely admit that I could be wrong, though.

[Flagg]

And let's not forget the venerable LAPD.

[Havok]

Flagg
Yeah we have rednecks, 'specially up by Clear Lake where this happened, but luckily they don't have much power.