White People = Racist, apparently

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

EDIT: Meant to put messed up syndicated and non-syndicated shows. They should be flipped

[Master of Ossus]

So a racist can only be white, and all white folks living in the USA are racist. I can't believe someone wrote this down and seriously meant it, let alone that this person was capable of finding people who agreed. On a university no less. That's a fine standard of intellectual integrity the University of Delaware must maintain.

As an aside, I'd like to know what they meant with "non-progressive attitude toward the subject of pattriotism".

It's not even the view that ONLY white people can be racists--that view is very common (although I totally disagree with it) in sociological and psychological literature. This goes well beyond that into arguing that ALL white people are racist.

I suppose that ALL blacks in Zimbabwe are racist, too, by this definition.

[Schuyler Colfax]

ArmorPierce what practically could you do to not accept these privileges?

You don't have to reject them, nor would this be practical. You could be cognizant of them, however. Something that the average right-winger (and most people who rail vociferously against "political correctness") refuse to do, often even going so far as to severely whitewash the past. There's a concurrent thread about this very kind of behaviour:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=116334

Having said that, blacks in America are fucking whiners, and they're the ones most responsible for this kind of "constantly whinge about the white man" movement. I'm sick and tired of hearing about "black history" or "black achievements" or "black culture" or "the black experience".

I would suggest that you lessen the scope of your statement as all black people in America do not complain about racism. I most certainly do not "whine" about the "white man". I recognize that racism exists and I experience it. However I do not whine about it, I accept it as what I have to deal with and try to work around it. I do enjoy hearing about the struggles of people who fought against racism. It's a big mark of pride for people of color here. I don't know why Canadian TV stations would be blaring it though since it's mostly an American issue, at least from your perspective.

I'll agree with RIPP on this one. Wong that does sound a bit harsh. Admititingly the whole black achievements, black experience thing does bug me a bit. Why does something that someone accomplished have to be defined my race. Anyway back to my point blacks are not not whiners. Sure every once in a while I do here this at my school "why did all the white kids get 100s". But anyway I'm black and I have experienced racism in the past, like RIPP you learn to accept it and move on. I don't go around seeing blacks bitch about racism they either accept it and move on or do something about.

[Big Phil]

You don't have to reject them, nor would this be practical. You could be cognizant of them, however. Something that the average right-winger (and most people who rail vociferously against "political correctness") refuse to do, often even going so far as to severely whitewash the past. There's a concurrent thread about this very kind of behaviour:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=116334

Having said that, blacks in America are fucking whiners, and they're the ones most responsible for this kind of "constantly whinge about the white man" movement. I'm sick and tired of hearing about "black history" or "black achievements" or "black culture" or "the black experience".

I would suggest that you lessen the scope of your statement as all black people in America do not complain about racism. I most certainly do not "whine" about the "white man". I recognize that racism exists and I experience it. However I do not whine about it, I accept it as what I have to deal with and try to work around it. I do enjoy hearing about the struggles of people who fought against racism. It's a big mark of pride for people of color here. I don't know why Canadian TV stations would be blaring it though since it's mostly an American issue, at least from your perspective.

I'll agree with RIPP on this one. Wong that does sound a bit harsh. Admititingly the whole black achievements, black experience thing does bug me a bit. Why does something that someone accomplished have to be defined my race. Anyway back to my point blacks are not not whiners. Sure every once in a while I do here this at my school "why did all the white kids get 100s". But anyway I'm black and I have experienced racism in the past, like RIPP you learn to accept it and move on. I don't go around seeing blacks bitch about racism they either accept it and move on or do something about.

You're also 15 and don't know shit about the real world; American race relations today revolve around white people feeling guilty about slavery and segregation, black people blaming white people for everything and not taking responsibility for their own behavior, and both groups resenting Hispanics and Asians for their successes.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

You don't have to reject them, nor would this be practical. You could be cognizant of them, however. Something that the average right-winger (and most people who rail vociferously against "political correctness") refuse to do, often even going so far as to severely whitewash the past. There's a concurrent thread about this very kind of behaviour:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=116334

Having said that, blacks in America are fucking whiners, and they're the ones most responsible for this kind of "constantly whinge about the white man" movement. I'm sick and tired of hearing about "black history" or "black achievements" or "black culture" or "the black experience".

I would suggest that you lessen the scope of your statement as all black people in America do not complain about racism. I most certainly do not "whine" about the "white man". I recognize that racism exists and I experience it. However I do not whine about it, I accept it as what I have to deal with and try to work around it. I do enjoy hearing about the struggles of people who fought against racism. It's a big mark of pride for people of color here. I don't know why Canadian TV stations would be blaring it though since it's mostly an American issue, at least from your perspective.

I'll agree with RIPP on this one. Wong that does sound a bit harsh. Admititingly the whole black achievements, black experience thing does bug me a bit. Why does something that someone accomplished have to be defined my race. Anyway back to my point blacks are not not whiners. Sure every once in a while I do here this at my school "why did all the white kids get 100s". But anyway I'm black and I have experienced racism in the past, like RIPP you learn to accept it and move on. I don't go around seeing blacks bitch about racism they either accept it and move on or do something about.

You guys realize that he was engaging in hyperbole here, right? He never claimed that *all* blacks in the US are whiners, and it would be downright stupid to make a claim. The fact remains, though, that at the very minimum a majority of blacks in the US do whine an awful lot about it. Ninety-nine times out of one-hundred, if they're on the news they're whining about it. If they're making any sort of public statement they're whining about it. If they're bitching at work, they're whining about it.

I've experienced this from living in a predominantly black community in the city, working with more than a few in shitsplat small-town factories, and watching the 'Cultural Center' at the university I attended get turned into what everyone now nicknames the 'Black Cultural Center', where a growing group of black people hang out, try to get everyone else to leave (including any other cultural minorities such as Asians, Latinos and gays), and then spend a lot of time bitching about how repressed *they* are.

[Schuyler Colfax]

I would suggest that you lessen the scope of your statement as all black people in America do not complain about racism. I most certainly do not "whine" about the "white man". I recognize that racism exists and I experience it. However I do not whine about it, I accept it as what I have to deal with and try to work around it. I do enjoy hearing about the struggles of people who fought against racism. It's a big mark of pride for people of color here. I don't know why Canadian TV stations would be blaring it though since it's mostly an American issue, at least from your perspective.

I'll agree with RIPP on this one. Wong that does sound a bit harsh. Admititingly the whole black achievements, black experience thing does bug me a bit. Why does something that someone accomplished have to be defined my race. Anyway back to my point blacks are not not whiners. Sure every once in a while I do here this at my school "why did all the white kids get 100s". But anyway I'm black and I have experienced racism in the past, like RIPP you learn to accept it and move on. I don't go around seeing blacks bitch about racism they either accept it and move on or do something about.

You're also 15 and don't know shit about the real world; American race relations today revolve around white people feeling guilty about slavery and segregation, black people blaming white people for everything and not taking responsibility for their own behavior, and both groups resenting Hispanics and Asians for their successes.

Here we go again I'm 15 therefore I know absolutely nothing about the way the world works. Fuck you for starters. Secondly I go to school to learn these things and considering I'll be done with high school in 2 1/2 I'll say that I've learned a lot about the way the world works. So I'll be the one to say if I don't know shit.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Here we go again I'm 15 therefore I know absolutely nothing about the way the world works. Fuck you for starters. Secondly I go to school to learn these things and considering I'll be done with high school in 2 1/2 I'll say that I've learned a lot about the way the world works. So I'll be the one to say if I don't know shit.

Kid, I'll second the statement: You do not know shit about the world.

In fact, everything about this statement of yours lends further evidence to that conclusion, and offers nothing to doubt the validity of it. You are fifteen, you are still in highschool. You live with your parents. You. Do. Not. Know. Shit.

Accept it.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Here we go again I'm 15 therefore I know absolutely nothing about the way the world works. Fuck you for starters. Secondly I go to school to learn these things and considering I'll be done with high school in 2 1/2 I'll say that I've learned a lot about the way the world works. So I'll be the one to say if I don't know shit.

The foolish man believes he is wise, while the wise man believes he knows nothing.

[Flagg]

I felt the exact same way when I was 15. I was just as stupid then as your are now.

[Havok]

Here we go again I'm 15 therefore I know absolutely nothing about the way the world works. Fuck you for starters. Secondly I go to school to learn these things and considering I'll be done with high school in 2 1/2 I'll say that I've learned a lot about the way the world works. So I'll be the one to say if I don't know shit.

Kid, I'll second the statement: You do not know shit about the world.

In fact, everything about this statement of yours lends further evidence to that conclusion, and offers nothing to doubt the validity of it. You are fifteen, you are still in highschool. You live with your parents. You. Do. Not. Know. Shit.

Accept it.

Fuck that. When I was 15 and living with my mom I knew perfectly well how racism worked, what the issues were and how it effected society. Being young does not mean you are are oblivious.

[Big Phil]

Fuck that. When I was 15 and living with my mom I knew perfectly well how racism worked, what the issues were and how it effected society. Being young does not mean you are are oblivious.

Did you know that your own personal experience was not necessarily representative of everyone else's reality? EP seems to think that because he (claims he) doesn't whine, black people as a whole are not whiners. In any case, his point (and mine) had less to do with racism and more with attempting to use one's own world view to describe society as a whole.

Moreover, he couldn't even detect the tongue in cheek nature of my post... although I probably should have added a wink, I would have thought it would be obvious I was massively oversimplifying race relations in the US. Maybe I should have thrown in a few obvious stereotypes to make it clearer...

[Knife]

Fuck that. When I was 15 and living with my mom I knew perfectly well how racism worked, what the issues were and how it effected society. Being young does not mean you are are oblivious.

I'll raise the bullshit flag on this one. Sure, you would have known calling some one a nigger was racist or some other bit of general racist bullshit. But somehow I doubt you thought through the overall implications of racism in the way the world worked or even you're passive or active participation in such things.

Most people at that age are too worried about their clothes or if susie Q would like to kiss them. Sure, black and white questions are in their grasp, but the gray area's? Bullshit.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Fuck that. When I was 15 and living with my mom I knew perfectly well how racism worked, what the issues were and how it effected society. Being young does not mean you are are oblivious.

Then either your experiences are just short of unique for your age, or you're giving a load of bullshit.

Knowing that racism exists and is a bad thing, and actually seeing it in action and fully comprehending the consequences of it, are two wholly separate issues. Yeah, I knew racism existed when I was fifteen too. I knew that it was a bad thing, and that if it popped up around me, I'd do what I could to fight it.

Doesn't change the fact that it still took many years beyond that, seeing how it could occur firsthand, before I began to truly understand just how racism works, how some of the things I lived with, witnessed, participated were actually quite racist, but also how many of the things I was damn certain were racist when I was fifteen was actually nothing more than overblown bullshit.

I stand by my assertion: Barring *very* rare circumstances, when you are fifteen you have jack-shit in terms of experience with real-world issues. Judging from what Pwnage has been saying and how he's been saying it, he probably has not... no, definitely has not had those experiences. And I see no reason to believe you had at that age either.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I'm 25, and I am STILL surprised by racism. For example, 3 months ago I was looking for a new appartment. At one of the complexes I went to, the woman in the office (an unassuming white woman of middle age) was listing the virtues of the property. One of those was that there were almost no 'colored' people there.



I had to do a mental replay to check, but that's what she'd said. In central California. In 2007. So really, you havn't seen CLOSE to everything yet.

[Justforfun000]

I"m betting that both sides are right here in their own way. Not that I'm trying to throw up a Golden Mean fallacy here....let me explain..

I would venture to say the the majority of racism goes unreported and unresponded to. I believe most black people shrug it off and try to forget it.

But at the same time, the national face of blacks is definitely focused on a message of "you OWE us", and this is too often also including people who have never actually been truly racist-acting in their life. Even if they have done some scattered shit in their younger years like calling someone a name, or chose to sit beside another white person on a bus instead of a black guy, this is unpleasant activity, but certainly not on a level with lynching, and one hopes with age more people become more tolerant and less judgemental.

The media is never short of stories of black people decrying special treatment among whites, or their personal stories about being denied fair advantages. Now of course I would venture to say that most of the time, they are probably RIGHT. It's a testament to the prevelance of racism still lurking in the shadows of people's behaviour.

So depending on your perspective you could see this being a combination of both. But what Mike is saying is still true in many respects. The national level of complaining and finger-pointing, coupled with this incongruous attitude of special traits like 'it's a black thing', or black achievements, is kind of scuttling the message that all people are one people.

[ArmorPierce]

ArmorPierce what practically could you do to not accept these privileges?

Well I said passively accept it. What I mean is, speak out against racism and acknowledge that the system still exists in our society and try to end it.

[Erik von Nein]

I had to do a mental replay to check, but that's what she'd said. In central California. In 2007. So really, you havn't seen CLOSE to everything yet.

Central California can be just as red necky as the South.

[Master of Ossus]

I'm 25, and I am STILL surprised by racism. For example, 3 months ago I was looking for a new appartment. At one of the complexes I went to, the woman in the office (an unassuming white woman of middle age) was listing the virtues of the property. One of those was that there were almost no 'colored' people there.



I had to do a mental replay to check, but that's what she'd said. In central California. In 2007. So really, you havn't seen CLOSE to everything yet.

That's illegal in CA. You cannot advertise real estate that way. You should report her.

As for the age issue, when I was 15 I thought I had the world figured out, too. Frankly, though, a HS student is almost precluded from having the depth of experience required to meaningfully reflect on such a broad topic as racism. Even if you've been discriminated against, there's almost no way for you to grasp the magnitude of the issue and the difficulties it presents to people of all races and backgrounds.

[Justforfun000]

That's illegal in CA. You cannot advertise real estate that way. You should report her.

What?? And make a white woman lose her job? He can't do that!

No seriously, he's right. That's almost a tacit admission of her "arranging" an all-white building...maybe with a little help..

[Master of Ossus]

That's illegal in CA. You cannot advertise real estate that way. You should report her.

What?? And make a white woman lose her job? He can't do that!

No seriously, he's right. That's almost a tacit admission of her "arranging" an all-white building...maybe with a little help..

Doesn't matter if it's part of a discriminatory process or not. You're not allowed to advertise real estate in CA by describing the racial make-up of the complex/neighborhood/whatever. Even if someone specifically asks a real estate agent for information on the racial demographics of the neighborhood, the agent is bound by law not to answer the question.

[ArmorPierce]

Well since we all are generalizing... white people are elitist snobs who think themselves deserving of a special class especially above black people. They feel that black people should just shut up and accept their position in society. It is their own fault that the are in the position that they are in.

To pose a question, would anyone here move into a black community?

[ArmorPierce]

To clarify my position, I think in the individual level, it is often at the fault of these people that they are in the position that they are in. I mean sure, you can grow up with a sub-par education system and still come up on top, you can grow up with abusive parents and come up on top, you can get past all the racism that you have to face in life. It's just going to be harder.

As I said, at an individual level it may be the fault of the individual, but I see the statistics as being an indication of a problem with society as a whole.

[NeoGoomba]

To pose a question, would anyone here move into a black community?

I had an apartment in a black neighborhood in downtown Albany for a year when I was in college. I didn't really have any negative experiences with it, other than the usual stuff you'd have anywhere in a crowded area like Albany, kids running all over the place and loud music on Fridays.

[NeoGoomba]

However in retrospect, the one thing that I really noticed about the state of the neighborhood was how two of the smaller apartment buildings "disappeared" over the course of the year. One was a drug house, the other was just a "normal" place that burned down and the lots were just left empty, which was odd to see what used to be a row of apartment buildings with large gap in them. I understood it to be the result of none of the larger downtown builders wanting to go through the hassle of building in such a difficult position between existing structures for an area where property values were rock bottom.

[Havok]

Well since we all are generalizing... white people are elitist snobs who think themselves deserving of a special class especially above black people. They feel that black people should just shut up and accept their position in society. It is their own fault that the are in the position that they are in.

To pose a question, would anyone here move into a black community?

I have, several times in fact. Wouldn't even be an afterthought to do it again.