Kelo v. New London: Four years on

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Re: Kelo v. New London: Four years on

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Mr Bean wrote:No that's not ideal world. That's fan-fucking fantastic fantasy world your talking about. Ideal world says that this entire situation never happened not that and even worse idea come out of it.
OK, I was wrong. I failed to grasp the sheer intrinsic douchebaggery of the council.
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Winston Blake wrote:OK, I was wrong. I failed to grasp the sheer intrinsic douchebaggery of the council.
I don't know if Bean covered this, but its an example of how large a bunch of douchebags the council was. After the residents lost their court case, New London tried to fine every single home owner for the years spent holding onto the homes while the case was pending in the courts. The council tried to punish the residents for using their only legal recourse to fight the eviction.

I have no respect for New London and I hope that the council has been voted out of office.
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Alyeska pretty much covered the point Blake. The Council were massive douches to the home owners. We are talking almost Saturday morning levels of Cartoon Villainy. Twirling mustache and tying damsels to railroad tracks villainy. If they offered to sell you a house you could assume with some level of authenticity that it was only because they built the house on an old Indian Burial Mound or it's right next to Crystal Lake or some other such nefarious location.

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It wouldn't surprise me that the council still fails to see their fault in this and I bet you they blame the home owners for causing these delays.
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It doesn't matter if the city rebuilt the houses. That's another lesson from 50 years of urban renewal: once you destroy a community, it doesn't come back. You can rebuild the houses, but it would be like a fresh subdivision: full of strangers. It would take years, maybe decades, for an actual community to form there.

Plus, I'll bet you fifty bucks that under New London's present building codes, you couldn't legally rebuild that neighborhood. If the area doesn't remain a weed-strewn lot for the next 20 years (a distinct possibility), some other developer will probably buy it for a pittance and then build the usual suburban crap--shopping center, garden apartments, oceans of parking.
Alyeska wrote:It wouldn't surprise me that the council still fails to see their fault in this and I bet you they blame the home owners for causing these delays.
That's a given. I can't remember a single government, at any level, taking responsibility for an urban renewal project gone wrong. Twenty years from now, when nobody from the present city council is still in office, sure, then they'll say "that was probably a bad idea", but not now. It's always up to the next generation to fix the messes caused by the previous generation's bright ideas.
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RedImperator wrote:It's always up to the next generation to fix the messes caused by the previous generation's bright ideas.
Or as Amory Lovins said: 'The biggest cause of problems is solutions.'
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