Situation out at Camp Pendleton

[Zaune]

See what we can learn when you read the whole article? It's like miraculous. Move over magnets, here comes mother fuckin' readin' up in this bitch! Readin', how the fuck does that work?

I did read it. Doesn't chance my opinion. These people's alleged reconnaissance mission for their terrorist masterplan ended with them getting chased off by the gate guards and having their names and descriptions forwarded to every law-enforcement organisation in the state; to take them remotely seriously would be to unduly flatter them.

[Terralthra]

...and gives them an excellent idea of what will or will not draw the ire and attention of base security. You don't know what they did before crashing the gate. It's possible that was the last thing in a line of gradually escalating activities designed to get a response profile, and now these three guys will disappear, and the information they collected will contribute to a plan executed by someone else.

[Mr. Coffee]

See what we can learn when you read the whole article? It's like miraculous. Move over magnets, here comes mother fuckin' readin' up in this bitch! Readin', how the fuck does that work?

I did read it. Doesn't chance my opinion. These people's alleged reconnaissance mission for their terrorist masterplan ended with them getting chased off by the gate guards and having their names and descriptions forwarded to every law-enforcement organisation in the state; to take them remotely seriously would be to unduly flatter them.

Then you're a fucking idiot. If their intent was to see how weell secuity at the gates pays attention, what security will and won't allow them to do, if security will involve or alert other agencies, ect then they probably learned exactly what they needed to know. You seem to be under the retard impression that they were trying to storm the gate or something similarly retarded, when in all likelihood they were just checking to see reactions to certain actions and how long it took for a response to happen.

Seriously, just get your moronic ass out of the thread.

[Cecelia5578]

...and gives them an excellent idea of what will or will not draw the ire and attention of base security. You don't know what they did before crashing the gate. It's possible that was the last thing in a line of gradually escalating activities designed to get a response profile, and now these three guys will disappear, and the information they collected will contribute to a plan executed by someone else.

Oh please, just about anyone could've predicted what the guards would've done. You seem to be under the impression there are super secret sensors and response reams hiding out waiting to pounce on suspected terrorists. As someone whose driven onto many military installations, gate security is much more mundane. Tell me, what should the guards have done? Opened fire, arrested and interrogated them? None if us really knows what went on, even the actual news article...well, it's not something I'd totally rely on.

And yes, the op did sound a bit...sensational and scopes like.

[PainRack]

Then you're a fucking idiot. If their intent was to see how weell secuity at the gates pays attention, what security will and won't allow them to do, if security will involve or alert other agencies, ect then they probably learned exactly what they needed to know. You seem to be under the retard impression that they were trying to storm the gate or something similarly retarded, when in all likelihood they were just checking to see reactions to certain actions and how long it took for a response to happen.

Seriously, just get your moronic ass out of the thread.

You're fucking kidding with me. You're taking the word of an ANNOYMOUS local expert, who would be interested to actually exaggerate the severity of this nature to drum up business for his consultancy business that this is a possible probe or dry run?

The manuals are available on the net, actual observation of security involves more than just driving on the base but require monitoring so that you know where the sensors, patrol routes, counter patrol routes, security stations and rotation of those stations. You need to know access points and the security of those access points.

Similarly, physical access into a base is both very easy and very hard. They chose literally the most HARDEST way to get inside a base. Driving up the main gate. Where all the physical barriers and anti access mechanisms are.


Unless you can show those three idiots belonged to a cell that had access to Google Earth and some form of surveilance of the base, this speculation is worthless. If anything, the fact that they "asked" for directions to Camp Pendleton means they didn't even have access to Google Map.


If this was a terrorist dry run, I agree that this would be one of the most incompetent ones EVER.

[Mr. Coffee]

1. You're a fucking idiot.

2. So because someone works in a particular industry their words are to be dismissed because they're probably just saying that to drum up business. Which totally makes sense given that the person spoke anonymously, so no one knows who he is or what company he works for. Now THAT is some motherfucking advertising sorcery right there. Oh, wait, no... It's just proof of my preceding point.

3. Who said anything about terrorist cells? Oh, wait, right. You're a fuckign idiot.

4. Since when is probing security the same thing as a dry run? Right, idiot...

5. You're a fucking idiot. Now fuck off from the thread before Dalton ends up sending it back to Testing.

[Terralthra]

...and gives them an excellent idea of what will or will not draw the ire and attention of base security. You don't know what they did before crashing the gate. It's possible that was the last thing in a line of gradually escalating activities designed to get a response profile, and now these three guys will disappear, and the information they collected will contribute to a plan executed by someone else.

Oh please, just about anyone could've predicted what the guards would've done. You seem to be under the impression there are super secret sensors and response reams hiding out waiting to pounce on suspected terrorists. As someone whose driven onto many military installations, gate security is much more mundane. Tell me, what should the guards have done? Opened fire, arrested and interrogated them? None if us really knows what went on, even the actual news article...well, it's not something I'd totally rely on.

And yes, the op did sound a bit...sensational and scopes like.

You seem to be under the impression you know everything these guys did before crashing the gate, and to which parts the guards did or did not respond. Since the article doesn't say, and even the base personnel themselves don't know what else these guys may have done, you don't either. I doubt there are any super secret sensors, but that doesn't mean a response profile to different types of incursions is useless.

[Cecelia5578]

You seem to be under the impression you know everything these guys did before crashing the gate, and to which parts the guards did or did not respond. Since the article doesn't say, and even the base personnel themselves don't know what else these guys may have done, you don't either. I doubt there are any super secret sensors, but that doesn't mean a response profile to different types of incursions is useless.

And how do you know they disappeared afterwards? Apparently the gate guards got all of their personal info, so its not out of the realm of possibility that they are being surveilled.

[Terralthra]

I meant disappeared as in they are no longer of any long-term significance. They pass off what they found out to others and sit around wasting surveillance teams' time. Are you completely dense to non-literal use of words?

[TheHammer]

2. So because someone works in a particular industry their words are to be dismissed because they're probably just saying that to drum up business. Which totally makes sense given that the person spoke anonymously, so no one knows who he is or what company he works for. Now THAT is some motherfucking advertising sorcery right there. Oh, wait, no... It's just proof of my preceding point.

Actually, if anything it was smart to remain anonymous. Now you have a "third party" source to show when you go around trying to drum up business for your security consultancy. It adds legitimacy. "See, look at this report from a security expert in this newspaper. You clearly need our services to make sure you aren't at risk".

[PainRack]

1. You're a fucking idiot.

2. So because someone works in a particular industry their words are to be dismissed because they're probably just saying that to drum up business. Which totally makes sense given that the person spoke anonymously, so no one knows who he is or what company he works for. Now THAT is some motherfucking advertising sorcery right there. Oh, wait, no... It's just proof of my preceding point.

3. Who said anything about terrorist cells? Oh, wait, right. You're a fuckign idiot.

4. Since when is probing security the same thing as a dry run? Right, idiot...

5. You're a fucking idiot. Now fuck off from the thread before Dalton ends up sending it back to Testing.

oh FUCK off Coffee.
Here's a hint. Guess what my reservist role in the military is. Oh yeah. To SECURE a airbase.
While I have no experience whatsoever in what the US military does to secure an installation, our own scares back post 9/11 along with an actual terrorist plot against the US warships here in Singapore does support my points.

Let's go through.
1. Annoy tip? Here's a hint. How MANY security experts do you think there are in an area? As for business, did you READ?
John, who does undercover security and anti-terrorism work for Eagle Eye Security Solutions, did not want to be identified.
I'm sorry. What is Eagle Eye Security Solutions, the company that "John" works for?

2. Terrorist cell? Pray tell. What did you think John statements with regards to probing the base was for? Seriously. If this was another prank similar to say, when Evelyn Waugh faked his way up to a tour of a British Dreadnought pre WW1, why the hell did you think John says Government experts should be concerned?

3. Again. As a "probe" or dry run, they deliberately tested the MOST difficult way to enter a base without alerting security. Right. Rush past a checkpoint. Ok, it does allow them to test whether any anti access barriers was emplaced and how fast it could react, but as a threat to vulnerable installations? Nadda. Now, they could and do pose a threat to the outer areas of the base, including base housing, but base security can't reduce a threat to zero for everyone.
And this is a US base, which from quick glances through google pictures, is the typical huge ass sprawl, making strikes against the protected interior relatively more difficult.

4. Despite what the expert says, unless they actually can get the security cam and other data, they STILL don't know ass about the base security cameras and stuff. Just that the base has a rapid reaction force that stopped them. MORE importantly, your
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Then you're a fucking idiot. If their intent was to see how weell secuity at the gates pays attention, what security will and won't allow them to do, if security will involve or alert other agencies, ect then they probably learned exactly what they needed to know. You seem to be under the retard impression that they were trying to storm the gate or something similarly retarded, when in all likelihood they were just checking to see reactions to certain actions and how long it took for a response to happen.

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STILL doesn't hold, because like my statement says, they need to actually mount surveillance of the base itself to get that kind of useful material. Given the fact that investigation revealed them asking for directions at a gas station, seriously, you think that any attempts to actually get such data can't be noticed post hoc?

Here's a funny thing. You know all those security cams you mount at a base? Their job isn't to actually deter an intrusion. Detect yes, deter no. Their other function is to provide data so investigators can cross check license plates and what not so as to trace perpeatuators. That's why you can trace the WTC bomber because a camera noticed the van license plate. And the plethora of powers agencies has to actually cross check such data in a city is enormous.

Barring a larger cell, we can safely say that they didn't mount an effective surveillance in the days prior to the incident itself.

So, Zaune statement that this is an inept probe STILL holds.