Israel demolishes Palestinian villiages

[fgalkin]

It's not an analogy, I was pointing out that not everyone was displaced.

While countless others, the US, for example, or the Germans during the Conquest of Prussia, did cause massive displacements. I guess they're all Nazis now

"One People, One Empire, One Leader" specifically which part of that calls upon violent action.

"One People" is an implicit call to genocide or at the very least, ethnic cleansing.

Sure thing Mr. "Arabs don't deserve democracy".

Tu Quoque. Also, factually wrong.

Quick point of fact here: Israel is not all Jews, nor does it represent all Jews, it only represents the Jews who want to live in an ethnic homeland. In fact the plurality of Jews are American. This is a big problem you pro-Israelis have, conflating Israel with the whole of the Jewish population. Israel is largely made up of Jews it does not itself represent all Jews in any form or fashion.

Yes, and using Nazi slogans in Hebrew is offensive to ALL Jews, even those who oppose Israel. Now, do you see why you are called a racist?

That's why Jews only make up 1.5% of the American populace but make up 7.3% of the 112th Congress' numbers, right? We hate them so much we make them wholly misrepresentative of the population in our political institution so that we can continue the conspiracy that they control everything.

I've also got to laugh at using a source like the ADL and a survey from five years ago

You have a problem with the survey's methodology? Do point it out, then?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[fgalkin]

But I don't see why that makes racist fuckwits like fgalkin think they can call critics of Israeli policy racist.

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I am not calling critics of Israeli policy racist, you illiterate twit. I am calling people using Nazi slogans racist. Do you see the difference?

Also, this is the second time a Testingstani asshole has called me racist. Proof?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Ritterin Sophia]

While countless others, the US, for example, or the Germans during the Conquest of Prussia, did cause massive displacements. I guess they're all Nazis now

Nazi-esque? Certainly.

"One People" is an implicit call to genocide or at the very least, ethnic cleansing.

No it doesn't, you can construe it to mean that but words as written it just implies people united unless you want to argue that the US by having 'One Nation' in it's pledge intends to wipe out all other peoples. And even if it did it would be no different than responding to a crazed right-winger who railed on and on about 'Islamofascism' with sarcasm.

Tu Quoque. Also, factually wrong.

Nope, sorry, it's not. If I were calling on people to attack Jews rather than ridiculing Israel you might have a point, ridiculing Israel with ironic uses of phrases in Hebrew is no more anti-semitism than is making fun of American geopolitical actions in English.

Yes, and using Nazi slogans in Hebrew is offensive to ALL Jews, even those who oppose Israel. Now, do you see why you are called a racist?

Calling fundamentalists 'fundie' offends Christians, guess that's off the list as well. Sorry, they might find it offensive, but offensive=/racist.

You have a problem with the survey's methodology? Do point it out, then?

It'd be nice if they actually explained their methodology, they don't except to say they asked 2000 people.

I am not calling critics of Israeli policy racist, you illiterate twit. I am calling people using Nazi slogans racist. Do you see the difference?

Yes, you are. What I said was no more racist than this poster is:

Clearly the picture is saying that Fox News should be like Nazis and the person who made it is a Nazi?

Also, this is the second time a Testingstani asshole has called me racist. Proof?

Dude it's right fucking there for everyone to read, you stated they weren't civilized enough for democracy and don't deserve it.

Frankly I agree with that decision, as there are still shitloads of Anti-semites in Europe, here in the US and across the rest of the globe.

Yeah, you're right, places like... Israel? Well now, that certainly doesn't bolster your argument that Jews need a racial homeland to be safe from antisemitism, now does it?

[fgalkin]

Nazi-esque? Certainly.

Or maybe the Nazis were American-like, since the Native American genocide came first. If you are going to apply these labels to everything, you dilute them until they become meaningless.

Usually, when people invaded and ethnically cleansed a population, they did it for the land or wealth they had, or for slaves. They did not invade for the purpose of annihilating them. That is what made the Nazis unique.

No it doesn't, you can construe it to mean that but words as written it just implies people united unless you want to argue that the US by having 'One Nation' in it's pledge intends to wipe out all other peoples. And even if it did it would be no different than responding to a crazed right-winger who railed on and on about 'Islamofascism' with sarcasm.

One People !=One Nation. It's no different than the modern day "Russia for Russians" slogan, which explicitly means "kick every non-Slav out."
Also, your analogy is flawed again, because Israel has never used that kind of rhetoric. A better one would be responding to, say, a racist Black Panther urging violence against other ethnic groups with racist rhetoric of your own, "ironically."

Nope, sorry, it's not. If I were calling on people to attack Jews rather than ridiculing Israel you might have a point, ridiculing Israel with ironic uses of phrases in Hebrew is no more anti-semitism than is making fun of American geopolitical actions in English.

See above.

Calling fundamentalists 'fundie' offends Christians, guess that's off the list as well. Sorry, they might find it offensive, but offensive=/racist.

"Fundies" is not recognized as hate speech in Canada, where the servers are housed. Nazi rhetoric is. Sorry, but it's not the same.

It'd be nice if they actually explained their methodology, they don't except to say they asked 2000 people.

The survey was linked from the article. This is their methodology. You have also said nothing about the second survey, so I guess you agree with its results.

Yes, you are. What I said was no more racist than this poster is:
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Clearly the picture is saying that Fox News should be like Nazis and the person who made it is a Nazi?

Not a Nazi, but certainly a racist, as it uses hate speech, even though against no one in particular. Even though that racism is probably not conscious, or intentional

Dude it's right fucking there for everyone to read, you stated they weren't civilized enough for democracy and don't deserve it.

I was not aware that Egyptians are a race. Also, I was merely pointing out that bronze-age beliefs are not compatible with democracy. Before you ask, yes, I also consider the Religious Right, Haredi Jews, and other fundies not civilized enough for democracy.

Yeah, you're right, places like... Israel? Well now, that certainly doesn't bolster your argument that Jews need a racial homeland to be safe from antisemitism, now does it?

If anything, it proves it even more. Had Israel remained truly ethnically pure, Nazi-style, as you claim they are, this would not have happened.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Akhlut]

Usually, when people invaded and ethnically cleansed a population, they did it for the land or wealth they had, or for slaves. They did not invade for the purpose of annihilating them. That is what made the Nazis unique.

The US killed, proportionately, a lot more Indians and dispossessed them of a lot more land than the Nazis could have ever hoped to do with the Jews. There are fewer Indians in America than Jews in America, for instance (~6 million Jews in the US versus ~2 million Indians).

One People !=One Nation. It's no different than the modern day "Russia for Russians" slogan, which explicitly means "kick every non-Slav out."
Also, your analogy is flawed again, because Israel has never used that kind of rhetoric. A better one would be responding to, say, a racist Black Panther urging violence against other ethnic groups with racist rhetoric of your own, "ironically."

The state of Israel's actions speak much louder than any propaganda ever could.

Not a Nazi, but certainly a racist, as it uses hate speech, even though against no one in particular. Even though that racism is probably not conscious, or intentional

If it isn't singling out a race(s) or claiming supremacy for a race, then it's not really racist. Do you not know what the definition of racism actually is?

I was not aware that Egyptians are a race. Also, I was merely pointing out that bronze-age beliefs are not compatible with democracy. Before you ask, yes, I also consider the Religious Right, Haredi Jews, and other fundies not civilized enough for democracy.

Good thing most Egyptians are rejecting hardline fundamentalism, then. :v

[Ritterin Sophia]

Or maybe the Nazis were American-like, since the Native American genocide came first.

Certainly.

Usually, when people invaded and ethnically cleansed a population, they did it for the land or wealth they had, or for slaves. They did not invade for the purpose of annihilating them. That is what made the Nazis unique.

Again, no, lots of people annihilated the previous inhabitants, you yourself brought up the American continents for example. What made the Nazis different is they did it for race-based ideology, the others had that happen as a side effect of Imperialism.

One People !=One Nation. It's no different than the modern day "Russia for Russians" slogan, which explicitly means "kick every non-Slav out."

Again, 'One Nation' in the pledge of allegiance is calling for the annihilation of all other governments, right? Again, one people just means a united populace, the term itself isn't a call for violence.

Also, your analogy is flawed again, because Israel has never used that kind of rhetoric.

They don't need to, their actions belie their rhetoric.

See above.

Indeed.

"Fundies" is not recognized as hate speech in Canada, where the servers are housed. Nazi rhetoric is. Sorry, but it's not the same.

Neither is using Nazi rhetoric to criticize.

The survey was linked from the article. This is their methodology.

Yes, they picked 2000 people, they don't discuss how they chose those people or how they phrased the questions, these are basic things you have to outline for your methodology that are completely absent.

Not a Nazi, but certainly a racist, as it uses hate speech, even though against no one in particular. Even though that racism is probably not conscious, or intentional

Wow! you are practically Orwellian. You're saying you can be racist without discriminating against a race, that is definitively untrue.

I was not aware that Egyptians are a race. Also, I was merely pointing out that bronze-age beliefs are not compatible with democracy. Before you ask, yes, I also consider the Religious Right, Haredi Jews, and other fundies not civilized enough for democracy.

And the fact that the Egyptians are rejecting hardline religious groups?

If anything, it proves it even more. Had Israel remained truly ethnically pure, Nazi-style, as you claim they are, this would not have happened.

Did you not read, they are ethnically Jews. Besides, Nazi-like=/exactly like Nazis.