N&P bias towards posted topics

[Dark Hellion]

Why not let him make his own arguments?

Fine. I'll just make my own argument that you and Flagg are the ones shitting up this thread whereas Skimmer and Lonestar pointed out an interesting thing about how these threads tend to be focused and ironically you two fell all over it like a hobo on a ham sandwich and have spent the rest of the thread basically making their initial point for them about how kneejerk and reactionary posters in these kinds of threads tend to be.

I know having a hissy fit about every fucking little thing is all the rage right now in N&P but it doesn't actually make you look like thoughtful posters but like histrionic jackasses.

[Lonestar]

Your complaint is that nobody was posting anything but gun stuff. So why not start posting non gun stuff instead of whining that nobody else is posting it?

Sometimes it's laziness and an expectation that someone else had already posted it. I also haven't posted anything about that DDG that collided with a tanker, I had assumed it would have gotten posted by someone eventually, but it's been a couple of days now and usually I don't post "news" if it's been out there for awhile and uncommented on. Believe it or not, sometimes days go by where I don't visit the board except for maybe the Mess while on my cellphone in line or something.

I saw that Chinese knife-rampage on 2 other boards and I just assumed it had gotten posted here. Skimmers post though made me go look, and well, it was one hell of a confirmation bias on my part in turns about what N&P culture is w/regard to guns.

I try really, really hard to not make commentaries on N&P culture, not the least because I'm just smart enough to know how stupid I am sometimes. It's interesting that Skimmers comment(and mine seconding of it) got such a reaction but, say, Marina's casual racism in the Sikh shooting thread is given a pass. N&P really has a default kneejerk reaction about guns. You could probably count on one hand the number of threads about guns/guns rights I've participated in over the past 9 years where I took a stance, and Flagg and you go freakin' nuts over me and Skimmer even alluding to a trend.

[General Zod]

Your complaint is that nobody was posting anything but gun stuff. So why not start posting non gun stuff instead of whining that nobody else is posting it?

Sometimes it's laziness and an expectation that someone else had already posted it. I also haven't posted anything about that DDG that collided with a tanker, I had assumed it would have gotten posted by someone eventually, but it's been a couple of days now and usually I don't post "news" if it's been out there for awhile and uncommented on. Believe it or not, sometimes days go by where I don't visit the board except for maybe the Mess while on my cellphone in line or something.

I saw that Chinese knife-rampage on 2 other boards and I just assumed it had gotten posted here. Skimmers post though made me go look, and well, it was one hell of a confirmation bias on my part in turns about what N&P culture is w/regard to guns.

I try really, really hard to not make commentaries on N&P culture, not the least because I'm just smart enough to know how stupid I am sometimes. It's interesting that Skimmers comment(and mine seconding of it) got such a reaction but, say, Marina's casual racism in the Sikh shooting thread is given a pass. N&P really has a default kneejerk reaction about guns. You could probably count on one hand the number of threads about guns/guns rights I've participated in over the past 9 years where I took a stance, and Flagg and you go freakin' nuts over me and Skimmer even alluding to a trend.

Which sort of brings me back to my original point that it's unreasonable to expect people to keep up on anything and everything. It's kind of funny how you keep going on about kneejerk reactions when your conclusion of hypocrisy is pretty knee-jerking itself.

[Lonestar]

Which sort of brings me back to my original point that it's unreasonable to expect people to keep up on anything and everything. It's pretty funny how you keep going on about kneejerk reactions when your conclusion of hypocrisy is pretty knee-jerking itself.

I think it's pretty safe to say that everyone here posts on at least one other board and, and while it's unreasonable to expect a person to "keep up on anything and everything" there are quite a few people who post on SDN and it beggers belief that not that many people saw that story. Especially with so many people who pride themselves on showing awareness of stuff outside their narrow localities/countries on this board.

[Dark Hellion]

Sorry about that previous post. I'm a bit grumpy and stressed right now.

That being said I think that N&P may kinda need to take a step back chill out for a second. The last couple of months I have really been very uninterested in reading a lot of threads because it seems that things have gotten very touchy and pedantic and it seems to me (although it may not be true) that there is an assumption that just because people aren't posting to disagree means there is no disagreement whereas I think that some of it is that people have gotten sick of disagreements turning into flamefests instead of discussions.

Of course this may all be my view and it could just be that some of the main posters just don't have time to spare for big thoughtful posts but want to get their opinions out quick.

[General Zod]

I think it's pretty safe to say that everyone here posts on at least one other board and, and while it's unreasonable to expect a person to "keep up on anything and everything" there are quite a few people who post on SDN and it beggers belief that not that many people saw that story. Especially with so many people who pride themselves on showing awareness of stuff outside their narrow localities/countries on this board.

Of course you could have always, y'know, posted it yourself?

Did you know about Paul Ryan having a 71 year old man at a public meeting arrested for speaking against him? No? OMG YOU HYPOCRITE1!!1!!!

[Flagg]

Why not let him make his own arguments?

Fine. I'll just make my own argument that you and Flagg are the ones shitting up this thread whereas Skimmer and Lonestar pointed out an interesting thing about how these threads tend to be focused and ironically you two fell all over it like a hobo on a ham sandwich and have spent the rest of the thread basically making their initial point for them about how kneejerk and reactionary posters in these kinds of threads tend to be.

I know having a hissy fit about every fucking little thing is all the rage right now in N&P but it doesn't actually make you look like thoughtful posters but like histrionic jackasses.

You're the one throwing the fit, brightboy.

Also, provide evidence that mass shooting threads turn into anti-gun circlejerks or STFU.

[Lonestar]

Of course you could have always, y'know, posted it yourself?

Now would be a good time for you to man up and admit that you didn't read my posts.

Did you know about Paul Ryan having a 71 year old man at a public meeting arrested for speaking against him? No? OMG YOU HYPOCRITE1!!1!!!

As a matter of fact, I did.

But like I said just a few posts up(that you obviously chose not to read):

Sometimes it's laziness and an expectation that someone else had already posted it. I also haven't posted anything about that DDG that collided with a tanker, I had assumed it would have gotten posted by someone eventually, but it's been a couple of days now and usually I don't post "news" if it's been out there for awhile and uncommented on. Believe it or not, sometimes days go by where I don't visit the board except for maybe the Mess while on my cellphone in line or something.

I suppose I could amend that to "or testing, because it's a lazy way to kill time on cellphone".

Hell, the only reason I wandered over into this thread is because my Grandmother in Texas mentioned the shooting to me.

Now, this is me. One person. There are many people who post in N&P, which is why I have expectations that some stories will get posted. Not just the Chinese knife rampage, but the DDG banging the tanker, for example. I was surprised that the DDG story wasn't posted. I wasn't surprised when I went off to confirm Skimmers statement, but a tad disappointed. It's a heckuva a confirmation bias about my perception of N&P Groupthink towards firearms.

Heck, Flagg is one post up going SHOW IT'S A CIRCLE JERK OR GET OUT, after accusing me of being a rabid gun advocate who suffers from penis compensation, when you could probably count the number of gun threads where I took any stance in the past 9 years on one hand. He's doing a pretty good job of cultivating the image me and Skimmer alluded to.

[General Zod]

I suppose I could amend that to "or testing, because it's a lazy way to kill time on cellphone".

Hell, the only reason I wandered over into this thread is because my Grandmother in Texas mentioned the shooting to me.

Now, this is me. One person. There are many people who post in N&P, which is why I have expectations that some stories will get posted. Not just the Chinese knife rampage, but the DDG banging the tanker, for example. I was surprised that the DDG story wasn't posted. I wasn't surprised when I went off to confirm Skimmers statement, but a tad disappointed. It's a heckuva a confirmation bias about my perception of N&P Groupthink towards firearms.

Heck, Flagg is one post up going SHOW IT'S A CIRCLE JERK OR GET OUT, after accusing me of being a rabid gun advocate who suffers from penis compensation, when you could probably count the number of gun threads where I took any stance in the past 9 years on one hand. He's doing a pretty good job of cultivating the image me and Skimmer alluded to.

And I still think you're jumping to conclusions. I just did a search for that knifing and almost everything was either a bunch of right-wing sites or places I've never heard of. Hell, most of the other forums I'm on don't even bother talking about the news outside of tech sites.

[D.Turtle]

Split from the Texas A&M shooting thread (now the "Shooting in College Station, Texas" thread).

Try to keep it somewhat civil.

[Thanas]

It's interesting that Skimmers comment(and mine seconding of it) got such a reaction but, say, Marina's casual racism in the Sikh shooting thread is given a pass.

Point it out and I will punish her accordingly.

[madd0ct0r]

what ddg crash? what chinese stabbing?

I can't post it if i've not come across it can i?

[Thanas]

Yeah, media over here has also not picked that up.

[Flagg]

what ddg crash? what chinese stabbing?

I can't post it if i've not come across it can i?

I guess we are to scour the interwebs for stories of knifings every time we see a mass shooting for "fair and balanced" coverage.

[madd0ct0r]

is this balanced enough?

http://www.toybotstudios.com/2012/06/sh ... gshot.html

[Thanas]

Trolling in a thread where mods had already stepped in = warning.

[Lonestar]

And I still think you're jumping to conclusions. I just did a search for that knifing and almost everything was either a bunch of right-wing sites or places I've never heard of. Hell, most of the other forums I'm on don't even bother talking about the news outside of tech sites.

I read about it on the OT forum for a messageboard dedicated to the "Civilization" game series. Here's a link to that bastion of right-wing propaganda, the AFP wire-feed: Yahoo News.

By the way, that was the very first hit on Google when I typed in "Chinese teenager 'kills eight in knife attack".

what ddg crash?

This one



Considering we have threads about fricking army blimps, I don't think it was unreasonable for me to assume that someone would have got to it by now.

I guess we are to scour the interwebs for stories of knifings every time we see a mass shooting for "fair and balanced" coverage.

Actually, what I'm taking away from this is that you live in your own little echo chamber.

Point it out and I will punish her accordingly.

Phantasee is right. As it was, one man was cut down charging the shooter with a butter knife. Sikhs are one of the most warlike peoples on the planet, right up there with Gurkhas, and they are brave, kind, compassionate--and absolutely ferocious in battle. Ironically though the US Army refuses to let them wear their turbans, so they cannot serve. If we did like sane people, though, we could raise a brigade of them in a heartbeat.

Positive racism is still racism. No one picked up on it because it was slightly less clumsy than claiming that Sikhs are like fricking Klingons.

[General Zod]

I read about it on the OT forum for a messageboard dedicated to the "Civilization" game series. Here's a link to that bastion of right-wing propaganda, the AFP wire-feed: Yahoo News.

By the way, that was the very first hit on Google when I typed in "Chinese teenager 'kills eight in knife attack".

So I was using the wrong search terms. I still think you're jumping to the conclusion you want to see.

Considering we have threads about fricking army blimps, I don't think it was unreasonable for me to assume that someone would have got to it by now.

Or you could have posted it yourself instead of whining that nobody else is posting it? If I notice that nobody's posted a story for a few days I'll do exactly that sometimes.

[Sea Skimmer]

Because we're supposed to read every single news story about every single place in the world, right?

When its front page, if not exactly headline news on major news sites for a while, and people always make sure to post the mass shooting reports, even when it turns out its a handful of people, and someone always shows up to advocate gun control, yeah, I think that isn't unreasonable to expect, if people were not biased. But everyone is.

Why not post it yourself instead of getting your panties in a twist?

Because I deliberately did not post it to see if anyone else would pay it even the slightest attention before the next shooting incident took place, specifically because its fucking obvious that people want to talk more about mass shootings then anything else and that the actual danger of life ect.. gets shoved by the wayside. Of course, even if people wanted to talk about gun control, you could just look to all the one-two person shootings that happen in Philadelphia around me, several times a week and sometimes several times a night, but obviously this is not spectacular enough to satisfy everyone’s ax to grind, that goes both ways. Such shootings, a great many of which DO involve both sides being armed, so rather highly relevant either way you want to argue gun control, probably kill more more people, in this city alone, then all the mass shootings in the world each year outside of warfare.

This goes along with what I mentioned in a previous topic, of people largely just ignoring that single pickup truck crash in Texas that killed more people then the Aurora Shooting and took place under a week later. I don’t think this is a SDN specific problem either, though its certainly been bad here, it’s a much wider one that ensures that both lots of people die unknowingly, and all the nut jobs get to see how much glorious time in the spotlight they can get if only they kill enough people, and everyone gets to grind an ax on gun control based on examples which aren't remotely typical of the way people ever so many people die from guns. Worst of everything.

[Alyeska]

People post stories that anger them or vindicate their beliefs. Gun control is a volatile issue. So sensational stories in target environments are going to be natural magnets.

[Thanas]

what ddg crash?

This one

Considering we have threads about fricking army blimps, I don't think it was unreasonable for me to assume that someone would have got to it by now.

I read it, but thought it not that important to post here. After all, it isn't like the US Navy is incompetent per se or as if ships do not crash into each other.

Point it out and I will punish her accordingly.

Phantasee is right. As it was, one man was cut down charging the shooter with a butter knife. Sikhs are one of the most warlike peoples on the planet, right up there with Gurkhas, and they are brave, kind, compassionate--and absolutely ferocious in battle. Ironically though the US Army refuses to let them wear their turbans, so they cannot serve. If we did like sane people, though, we could raise a brigade of them in a heartbeat.

Positive racism is still racism. No one picked up on it because it was slightly less clumsy than claiming that Sikhs are like fricking Klingons.

Hmm. Not sure if this warrants punishment, will bring it up in the mod forum.

[Darth Wong]

Why not post it yourself instead of getting your panties in a twist?

Because I deliberately did not post it to see if anyone else would pay it even the slightest attention before the next shooting incident took place, specifically because its fucking obvious that people want to talk more about mass shootings then anything else and that the actual danger of life ect.. gets shoved by the wayside.

Oh please, you know it's not about "life". Drunk drivers kill huge numbers of people every year and no one thinks it's news. It's about you being a pro-gun guy and believing that you need to make a point about how unfair the anti-gun people are, or that they are creating a systemic "bias". Which is absurd, since every time people bring up anti-gun threads there are plenty of people who jump in to defend guns.

[Lonestar]

So I was using the wrong search terms. I still think you're jumping to the conclusion you want to see.

Or you could have posted it yourself instead of whining that nobody else is posting it? If I notice that nobody's posted a story for a few days I'll do exactly that sometimes.

Once again...I very rarely wander into N&P anymore, and I largely just "assume" stories like those are posted. I also tend to treat news as if there is a shelf-life to them, people tend to get less interested in news as the story gets further from the date of occurance. I consider both of those stories stories that, well, are certainly N&P-worthy(FUCKING BLIMPS) and assume that since we have many posters, someone will get to them eventually.

I wouldn't have even walked into that A&M thread if my grandmother hadn't mentioned it to me. I didn't go into the Sikh thread until someone PM'd me about it.

[Max]

I haven't seen the story that the OP lists, and truth be told I don't frequent chinese news sources enough to come across it. Is it getting much media exposure? Because that could be the issue, not that there is some sort of board bias. Gun related tragedies occur practically on a daily basis in the U.S., so if there was some sort of prioritizing going on with topics concerning guns... I haven't seen it. I see people, generally, creating posts on topics that get large amounts of media exposure. If someone went into a walmart and took out 72 people with a pairing knife, I'm sure there'd be a topic on it....

[Flagg]

I haven't seen the story that the OP lists, and truth be told I don't frequent chinese news sources enough to come across it. Is it getting much media exposure? Because that could be the issue, not that there is some sort of board bias. Gun related tragedies occur practically on a daily basis in the U.S., so if there was some sort of prioritizing going on with topics concerning guns... I haven't seen it. I see people, generally, creating posts on topics that get large amounts of media exposure. If someone went into a walmart and took out 72 people with a pairing knife, I'm sure there'd be a topic on it....

Of course there would be. And if there wasn't one, I'd make one, because it would be news. All this is is an attempt by a few pro-gun members of this board to shut down discussion they dislike because it challenges their beliefs. It's telling that rather than actually produce evidence I requested, I was simply mocked. It's not because the member in question is lazy, it's because every recent mass shooting thread has been mostly about the incident that took place or people who even mention it saying "naa, we don't really need more gun control".