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Stravo wrote:
Regardless of how justified this war is, a president who publicly states that he's going to ignore the voices of dissent among his employers is never a good president.
Considering that 70% of the nation supports the action and gives him a favorable rating, ignoring the voices of dissent is just fine for someone who only needs to win 51% of a vote.


That's been in the last 10 days. When this whole affair began, it was pretty dead-even. See this article for more information.
Voices of dissent DO NOT have to be listened to.


Don't be absurd. 30% is quite a bit of people who disagree with the war. For Bush to casually dismiss their opinions is simply asinine.
Now if the rating was down in the 50% region then that would be an issue, but the peaceniks are a very vocal MINORITY and in a democracy, unless a minority can actually do anythign vote wise, simply do not matter in the political equation.


2 weeks ago, they certainly were not the "vocal minority." Try again.
It's all about votes and vote counting. I'm pretty sure after the disaster of the last election Bush is extremely aware of how important the numbers are.
No, he isn't. He's only interested in pushing his agenda.
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Stravo wrote: Voices of dissent DO NOT have to be listened to.
C'mon now, that's just stupid and invites a tyranny of the majority. There are so many counterexamples to this...For instance imagine the Jim Crow laws. A majority approved of em, but they weren't just at all.
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That's been in the last 10 days. When this whole affair began, it was pretty dead-even. See this article for more information.
And it's clear that a lot of them just wanted to know we'd win. He's got people behind him now and that's what counts in the long run.
Don't be absurd. 30% is quite a bit of people who disagree with the war. For Bush to casually dismiss their opinions is simply asinine.
I doubt he did it casually but that doesn't mean he has to do it. And frankly lot of them didn't have anything worth listening to.
2 weeks ago, they certainly were not the "vocal minority." Try again.


But they are now. It's results that count.
No, he isn't. He's only interested in pushing his agenda.
Duh, that's what every politicion does.
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Stormbringer wrote:And it's clear that a lot of them just wanted to know we'd win. He's got people behind him now and that's what counts in the long run.
This doesn't change the fact that he ignored a vocal 50% of the nation beforehand.
I doubt he did it casually but that doesn't mean he has to do it. And frankly lot of them didn't have anything worth listening to.
He didn't even listen to the voices of dissent. A few weeks ago, when the opposition to the war was at 50%, he said he would not be swayed by protests, meaning that he didn't care what they had to say.
But they are now. It's results that count.
How does this change the fact that, at one point, he said he didn't care that half the nation said that they didn't want to go to war?
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Wait, are we surprised a politician is acting in his own interest and being an ass? I thought we knew this.
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