Lostprohpets singer Ian Watkins guilty of child sex offences

[Zaune]

It may be that it's harder to hide these days in British culture. There are times and places where child sexual abuse is rampant but is either seen as no big deal, the "right" of rich and powerful, or simply dismissed as not important.

That was part of it, but it's important to note that Jimmy Saville was a rare example of a smart and cautious sexual predator. He picked his targets carefully and he made sure there were no witnesses, so even if it had come to court there's a decent chance he'd have walked.

[Channel72]

This guy's public infamy is probably a much more fitting punishment than even 30+ years in jail. He thought he was an untouchable rock God, but now he's basically just a stupid depraved pedophile and fodder for various prison-rape jokes. He probably wanted to be remembered for his music, but Google and Wikipedia will ensure he is remembered (if at all) for jerking off over children and animals. What an idiot.

[Korgeta]

It may be that it's harder to hide these days in British culture. There are times and places where child sexual abuse is rampant but is either seen as no big deal, the "right" of rich and powerful, or simply dismissed as not important.

That was part of it, but it's important to note that Jimmy Saville was a rare example of a smart and cautious sexual predator. He picked his targets carefully and he made sure there were no witnesses, so even if it had come to court there's a decent chance he'd have walked.

If the revelations of Jimmy Saville weren't known then I doubt Ian Watkins would ever had been investigated, there is a level of corruption somewhere, even Jimmy had sufficient evidence against him but too many people either wanted a share of his fame or were afraid of it. There was an article about how one police officer was ready to report one of his actions but got told by his superior to drop it because of saville's influence. It makes be wonder how people like that officer's superior can sleep at night knowing what kind of monster they turned a blind eye to.

I also apologise for not giving enough warning about the link, I know a lot of people here like to study the facts behind reports and so I provided, however I didn't take into account how unsettling the report was. It is shocking but not so much to me as I've become quite desensitised to this kind of nature. (I am surprised ian Watkins would do this) It's just I have been working round people of this kind of nature for over ten years that I can forget the level of shock and upset this can give to those who don't deal with this subject often.

[Lord Revan]

Honestly speaking I wonder how long he'll last once he ends up in prison, assuming he doesn't spend the whole time in an isolation cell (or an equilevant) and no I'm not saying he would put into isolation without a cause, but I've heard of at least 1 case where a child molester asked to be put into isolation cause he just couldn't bare the treatment within the general population, if there's one thing all prisoners agree upon it's that child molesters are the worst scum possible and should be treated accordingly

And in this case were talking about a severe and (in)famous case, so Ian Watkins can't expect to have that many allies to protect him from mistreatment by other convicts.

[The Xeelee]

The one thing I don't understand is why they needed GCHQ to get his password "ifukkidz" that is surely a common password used by remorseless pedophiles so you would think the police could have done it themselves.

[Purple]

The one thing I don't understand is why they needed GCHQ to get his password "ifukkidz" that is surely a common password used by remorseless pedophiles so you would think the police could have done it themselves.

You are not seriously telling me that was his actual password.

[tezunegari]

The one thing I don't understand is why they needed GCHQ to get his password "ifukkidz" that is surely a common password used by remorseless pedophiles so you would think the police could have done it themselves.

The GCHQ is the british department for all signal intelligence as far as I know - everything regarding modern communication technology, not just the spy stuff. I wouldn't be surprised of all computers seized by police are forensically worked on by the GCHQ.

You are not seriously telling me that was his actual password.

It was, according to the court file in the OP.

[Purple]

It was, according to the court file in the OP.

At this point I think that I am the only one here who actually has not clicked that link... Also, my brain needs bleaching.

[The Xeelee]

The one thing I don't understand is why they needed GCHQ to get his password "ifukkidz" that is surely a common password used by remorseless pedophiles so you would think the police could have done it themselves.

The GCHQ is the british department for all signal intelligence as far as I know - everything regarding modern communication technology, not just the spy stuff. I wouldn't be surprised of all computers seized by police are forensically worked on by the GCHQ.

You are not seriously telling me that was his actual password.

It was, according to the court file in the OP.

I am a Brit. I know what they do, but normally they are only called in when the police can't do it.

[The Xeelee]

The one thing I don't understand is why they needed GCHQ to get his password "ifukkidz" that is surely a common password used by remorseless pedophiles so you would think the police could have done it themselves.

You are not seriously telling me that was his actual password.

Yes it says so in the court transcript.

[Purple]

I am a Brit. I know what they do, but normally they are only called in when the police can't do it.

Maybe this is such a high profile case that the police wanted to outsource everything to the best possible experts to preempt any possibility of the lawyers saying they tampered with it?

[The Xeelee]

Officers uncovered 27 terabytes of data. I am guessing a lot of that isn't obscene though.

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

Honestly speaking I wonder how long he'll last once he ends up in prison, assuming he doesn't spend the whole time in an isolation cell (or an equilevant) and no I'm not saying he would put into isolation without a cause, but I've heard of at least 1 case where a child molester asked to be put into isolation cause he just couldn't bare the treatment within the general population, if there's one thing all prisoners agree upon it's that child molesters are the worst scum possible and should be treated accordingly

And in this case were talking about a severe and (in)famous case, so Ian Watkins can't expect to have that many allies to protect him from mistreatment by other convicts.

Is "so he doesn't get murdered by genpop" not a compelling reason to isolate a prisoner in the UK?

I'm pretty sure that in the U.S., this guy would go straight to solitary for that very reason.

[Zaune]

It wouldn't be solitary per se, but most British maximum-security prisons have a wing that's sealed off from general population, for the at-risk prisoners like child-sex offenders and usually people on terrorism charges.

Assuming of course that he's jailed, rather than declared insane and committed to an asylum.

[RogueIce]

I believe most US prisons also have special housing for sex offenders, those who give information to the guards, and other "at-risk" prisoners rather than just solitary.

The jails might not and have to resort to solitary, but they're usually smaller and relatively more transitory so may not have enough of an "at-risk" population at any given time to be worth building a whole section for that purpose.

[Dartzap]

I suspect he will end up at Broadmoor or a similar unit.

[Lord Revan]

Is "so he doesn't get murdered by genpop" not a compelling reason to isolate a prisoner in the UK?

I'm pretty sure that in the U.S., this guy would go straight to solitary for that very reason.

honestly I dunno, I'm not a brit so my knowledge of the UK justice system is limited.

the 2 cases I have any info on are Finnish ones and even the more recent one involves a case from the 1980s IIRC

first being a case of child-murderer and confessed child rapist called "Jimmu-setä" by the media, who was convicted of the murder of 2 young girls, he's the one I mentioned earlier the one who asked to be put in isolation.

the second case is something my mom told me about, according to her the janitor was convicted of sexual abuse of a child in one of the houses she lived as a child and seeing as my mom was born in 1954 we're talking about an very old case and said janitor eventually killed himself due the treatment he got in prison (well at least that's what my mom told me).

[Korgeta]

I suspect he will end up at Broadmoor or a similar unit.

Not necessary, Broadmoor is a mental health hospital, not a prison and it's patients are those with severe mental health problems for those with personality disorders. Most likely he'll remain in Wakefield which mainly holds those with sex offences, but he would still be on supervisory level to some extent due to risk of self harm, and yes he is going to be targeted for his reputation. It might not happen today or tomorrow but a lot of inmates are in there for as long as he will be, and they can wait.