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Yeah, maybe Denmark should be worried about America seeking Lebensraum, if Trump is serious enough about this to make it a diplomatic incident.

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Also, the Dickless Wonder posted this on Twitter, saying "I promise not to do this to Greenland":

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The tragicomic thing is, that's not only probably the most inoffensive thing he's ever posted but one of the few occasions he's shown any signs of self-awareness about his public image.
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Zaune wrote: 2019-08-21 10:06am The tragicomic thing is, that's not only probably the most inoffensive thing he's ever posted but one of the few occasions he's shown any signs of self-awareness about his public image.
Makes me wonder if someone else wrote it for him.
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The Guardian offers a considerably more cynical take on this:

https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2 ... s-puppetry
Greenland didn’t just bubble into Trump’s mind randomly – it’s very much on Russia’s radar for its unknown supply of oil, gas and rare metals

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The last time Americans felt hostility to anything remotely Danish was when the pompous old Duke of Weselton launched a trade-war-turned-palace-coup against the warm-hearted ice queen known as Elsa. Even the pre-pubescent fans of Frozen know that trade wars are doomed and that strong female leaders are unstoppable.

It’s tempting to look at Donald Trump’s ludicrous desire to buy Greenland – and the Danish spat that followed – as just another sick joke of the Trump presidency: an aberration that the world will forget with tomorrow’s distracting tweets on some other outrage.

But after two and half years of this corrosive nonsense, it’s time to admit some unpleasant truths. The madness of Donald Trump is getting worse, not better. The presidency has not normalized him, it has only normalized our numbed reaction to his excesses. We cannot see through the fog of disinformation and distraction how much of the world’s instability is directly linked to his abject failure as a president.

Let’s just pause to look at Greenland, shall we? On the face of it, the notion of buying the arctic autonomous territory seems like just another brain fart from the cavities inside Trump’s cranium: “an absurd discussion,” as the new Danish prime minister Mette Frederiksen put it on her trip to Greenland on Monday. “Thankfully the time where you buy and sell countries and populations is over. Let’s leave it there. Jokes aside, we will of course love to have an even closer strategic relationship with the United States.”

Sadly, the days of buying and selling other countries are far from over because Trump himself seems to be easily bought by his Russian and Saudi friends. He’s so cheap you only have to dangle the idea of a Trump Tower in Moscow to win his undying support for lifting sanctions imposed after Russia invaded and annexed part of Ukraine.

Greenland doesn’t just bubble into Trump’s mind randomly, unless Fox News is airing obscure weekend segments on arctic politics. But it is very much on Russia’s radar. Earlier this year, Russia revamped its arctic circle military base on the tiny Kotelny Island, which sits close to the shipping routes that are opening up as the polar region warms catastrophically.

There are unknown quantities of oil, gas and rare earth metals in the arctic, and the region’s powers – Denmark among them – can either green light a global free-for-all or restrain the usual human plunder of one of the last pristine frontiers on the planet. You can guess where Russia sits on this spectrum of environmental concerns in the middle of our climate crisis.

It is one of the sickest Trump jokes that his half-baked idea of buying Greenland should be seen as American machismo when it is yet another sign of Putin’s puppet American presidency at work.

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Did Trump cancel his Denmark visit because Greenland is not for sale? – video report
Denmark is a loyal ally within the organization that Russia loathes: Nato. So the downside to trashing a state visit, complete with a royal dinner, is not what it normally would be for an American president who supposedly leads the greatest global alliance in military history. He did, after all, suggest withdrawing US troops from Nato just last year.

One of the many gob-smacking cons of our current crop of so-called nationalist leaders is how happy they are to surrender their national interest in subordination to any foreign strongman who offers to grease their personal interest. It’s almost like they’re not serious about America First or Global Britain at all.

It is too much to expect rational public thought from the 45th president of the United States. But you have to wonder if he ever admits to himself that the only reason the arctic is opening up is because of the climate crisis he used to call a Chinese hoax.

More recently he told CBS News that “something’s happening” to the climate that probably isn’t a hoax but definitely has nothing to do with human actions.

“I wish you could go to Greenland, watch these huge chunks of ice just falling into the ocean, raising the sea levels,” Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes told him. Maybe Trump just wanted to buy Greenland to make sure nobody could there to see the ice melting.

“You’d have to show me the scientists because they have a very big political agenda, Lesley,” Trump said, fabricating yet more lies to cover up his own political agenda. In other words, another day in the Oval Office.

As the world knows full well with each passing day of this presidency, Trump cannot project national strength because he is so chronically, personally weak. He told reporters on Wednesday that he dropped out of his Denmark state visit because its prime minister was “nasty” and “not nice” in rejecting his advances on Greenland.

On a playground full of pre-schoolers, this language might make sense. On the world stage, as the Danish would say, it’s absurd.

Like so many weak souls who never grew out of the playground chapter of their lives, Trump tries to pick on other weak souls to demonstrate the strength he so clearly lacks.

The weakest of those victims are the children fleeing for their lives from central America.

Trump is not content with ripping them from their parents, orphaning some of them by losing track of their parents forever, and exposing others to unspeakable abuse in so-called shelters. He now wants to ignore the courts and detain them indefinitely in private for-profit prisons with or without their families.

His administration claims the old court-ordered Flores agreement is “outdated and fails to account for the massive shift in illegal immigration to families and minors from Central America,” according to a written White House statement.

That conveniently ignores the fact that the “outdated” court agreement is named after Jenny Lisette Flores, who was a 15-year-old fleeing El Salvador in the 1980s when she was arrested by US officials, handcuffed and strip-searched and placed in a for-profit prison for two months. The US refused to release her to family members claiming they were protecting her, but the ACLU said the Reagan administration was just trying to arrest parents and punish children.

So obviously there are no similarities to Trump’s policies at all.

From the self-inflicted crisis at the border to the self-inflicted spat with Denmark, so much of the global chaos that numbs us all is the product of this mindless and malignant American leader.

The world is staring at a global recession triggered in large part by Trump’s pointless trade wars. It’s watching mini-Trumps grasp for power in Britain and Italy, inspired by his own undemocratic example, including all his trademark incompetence and ignorance.

Without Trump, how much of the stupefying sense of chaos would evaporate?

Perhaps not all of it, but enough for Scandinavia to return to sleeping soundly. Villy Søvndal, a former Danish foreign minister, said that Trump was “a narcissistic fool” because of his decision to cancel his trip. But he explained that this clown wasn’t funny. “The problem is that he is the president of the most powerful nation in the world,” he said.

That’s a problem for the whole world to suffer. But it’s a problem that only American voters can solve.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-22 04:02am As the world knows full well with each passing day of this presidency, Trump cannot project national strength because he is so chronically, personally weak. He told reporters on Wednesday that he dropped out of his Denmark state visit because its prime minister was “nasty” and “not nice” in rejecting his advances on Greenland
Trump gets triggered because Denmark uses the word "absurd." Watch him say how nasty the Danes were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaErBzOsO4 (just skip TYTs comments and look at the clip of Trump).

Also I don't buy the Guardian's take. It relies on the Russians being almost as dumb as Trump. Even if Trump succeeds in purchasing Greenland, there is no guarantee that the next POTUS is going to be Russian friendly, so they have just replace Denmark with the US in that particular area.

Now if they wanted to just embarrass Trump by getting him to buy some land, it doesn't have to be specifically an area which they have geopolitical interest in. It could be any area and it would have the same result when the other country refuses to sell.
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mr friendly guy wrote: 2019-08-22 06:56am
The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-22 04:02am As the world knows full well with each passing day of this presidency, Trump cannot project national strength because he is so chronically, personally weak. He told reporters on Wednesday that he dropped out of his Denmark state visit because its prime minister was “nasty” and “not nice” in rejecting his advances on Greenland
Trump gets triggered because Denmark uses the word "absurd." Watch him say how nasty the Danes were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaErBzOsO4 (just skip TYTs comments and look at the clip of Trump).

Also I don't buy the Guardian's take. It relies on the Russians being almost as dumb as Trump. Even if Trump succeeds in purchasing Greenland, there is no guarantee that the next POTUS is going to be Russian friendly, so they have just replace Denmark with the US in that particular area.
That assumes that there ever being another POTUS is part of the game plan.

But even if nothing more comes of it than driving another wedge between two NATO members, it still helps Russia.
Now if they wanted to just embarrass Trump by getting him to buy some land, it doesn't have to be specifically an area which they have geopolitical interest in. It could be any area and it would have the same result when the other country refuses to sell.
The thing is that this drives a wedge between NATO members, and between Denmark and the country it would have to rely on for protection in the event of Russian aggression in the Arctic.

Of course, it could also be Trump just being a dip shit- but there's a method to his madness surprisingly often, even if its the method of someone else manipulating him (for example, his posturing toward Iran has Bolton and Netanyahu all over it, just as his trade war with China is covered in Bannon's fingerprints).
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I agree that getting Trump to offer to buy someone else's land is going to drive a wedge between its allies. But essentially the logic is, Russia will benefit, therefore Russia manipulated Trump to do it. That's an incredible leap of logic there and allows any dispute between an EU nation and the US to be explained by Russian interference. I could use the same logic and say, and substitute Islamic terrorist group or China, and say it benefits them to have a rift between an EU nation and the US, therefore they did it. Somehow. The Guardian's article is highly speculative, and that's being nice.
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The difference is that Trump has a long and demonstrable pattern of being overly-cozy with, and taking actions that benefit, the Putin Regime. And that Denmark's relationship with the US is of more significance to Russia than to, say, Al Qaida, for obvious geographic reasons. That's not proof, no, I'll acknowledge that, and the Guardian shouldn't treat it as proof. Just an uncomfortable amount of circumstantial evidence.

Edit: It doesn't even require a deliberate conspiracy in this case. Just another example of the Kremlin having manuevered into power a US President who's particular brand of idiocy frequently benefits their interests.
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The orange scrotum "jokes" about trading Puerto Rico for Greenland:

https://nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-j ... e-n1045296
President Donald Trump has been joking recently about trading Puerto Rico for Greenland. But now it's Puerto Ricans who are the ones laughing — and many say they'd be happy with the trade.

Some called themselves the "Caribbean Vikings" and others shared all the benefits they would have if they stopped being a U.S. territory and became an autonomous Danish territory.

You can hear the Caribbean Vikings coming from the dembow beat over the horizon. #dinamarcaPR #denmarkPR #puertoRicodinamarca

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"I don't know about you, but I have no problem with being sold to Denmark," Gabriel René, a digital ad executive, tweeted after The New York Times reported on Trump's remark. A former official told New York Times reporters he heard Trump joke in a meeting last year about trading Puerto Rico for Greenland in order to get rid of the U.S. territory.

On social media, Puerto Ricans took it in stride.

"Denmark is the country with the best education in the world," a man wrote on Twitter.

"Honestly being part of Denmark may be the best thing to ever happen to us," Dartina Marie Pérez, who lives in Puerto Rico, tweeted.

A Puerto Rican podcaster, known as Nieto, shared what some labeled as the Danish "Starter Kit."

Yo me he ido preparando para cuando Trump nos intercambie por Groelandia y seamos colonia de Dinamarca. pic.twitter.com/4FhJQn1NN3

— Nieto ™ (@MrTonitas) August 22, 2019
"I have been preparing for when Trump exchanges us for Greenland and we are a colony of Denmark," Nieto tweeted in Spanish, sharing photos of "Danish Delights" butter cookies, the TV show "Vikings" and Danish beer bottles.

Others included a Danish-to-Spanish dictionary on their "Starter Kits."

"We're ready," one Twitter user wrote, alongside a picture of a "Conversational Danish" reading book.

Tamos ready #DinamarcaPR pic.twitter.com/ir4jEJElHD

— #DinamarcaPR (@VodkaTito) August 22, 2019
Under the hashtags #DenmarkPR and #DinamarcaPR, meaning Denmark in Spanish, Puerto Ricans started claiming the Danish royal family and shared some of the perks they would get by being a Danish territory.

Regina C. Ortiz tweeted in Spanish, "[Here's] OUR Queen: Margrethe II of Denmark," along with a picture of her.

NUESTRA reina: Margarita II de Dinamarca.#DinamarcaPR pic.twitter.com/VoN4EHy1NZ

— Regina C. Ortiz (@regcoral) August 22, 2019
"We will finally have representation in the Europe [League] and possibly in the World Cup," a Twitter user wrote in Spanish, sharing a photo of the Danish soccer team.

Tendremos representante en la Europa y posiblemente en el Mundial. #DenmarkPR pic.twitter.com/x8kirEmsP0

— Ares (@____TRC____) August 22, 2019
While countless jokes were unleashed after reports surfaced that Trump "has on multiple occasions discussed trying to buy the country of Greenland," a serious diplomatic rupture occurred between the United States and one of its longtime allies.

Trump was scheduled to go to Denmark for an official trip but he canceled it after the country's prime minister said that Greenland was not for sale and labeled his remarks as “absurd.”

The reactions from Puerto Ricans come after Trump voiced, on multiple occasions, his opposition to fund hurricane recovery efforts in Puerto Rico and considered diverting hurricane relief funds to build a border wall.

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Yup, that's the "President", talking about literally selling a population of heavily non-white Americans in exchange for another country's land.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-22 06:59am
mr friendly guy wrote: 2019-08-22 06:56am
The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-22 04:02am As the world knows full well with each passing day of this presidency, Trump cannot project national strength because he is so chronically, personally weak. He told reporters on Wednesday that he dropped out of his Denmark state visit because its prime minister was “nasty” and “not nice” in rejecting his advances on Greenland
Trump gets triggered because Denmark uses the word "absurd." Watch him say how nasty the Danes were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaErBzOsO4 (just skip TYTs comments and look at the clip of Trump).

Also I don't buy the Guardian's take. It relies on the Russians being almost as dumb as Trump. Even if Trump succeeds in purchasing Greenland, there is no guarantee that the next POTUS is going to be Russian friendly, so they have just replace Denmark with the US in that particular area.
That assumes that there ever being another POTUS is part of the game plan.
Putin is many things but massively stupid is not one those things, he knows perfectly well that even if Trump gets himself promoted to "president for life" Trump will stop being POTUS at some point as he's not immortal and there's no promise that who ever will be POTUS (or what ever the title will be at that point) will be as pro-Russia as Trump was, since the thing about ultra-nationalistic movements is that they tend to be nationalistic and thus can't really be trusted to stay on the side any external power.

If there really is some sinister plan for world domination here it's gonna be a long term plan, also given their respective lifestyles it's not impossible for Putin to outlive Trump, simply due to Trump's hedonistic lifestyle putting him at risk of several serious health issues.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-22 06:59amThat assumes that there ever being another POTUS is part of the game plan.
What would being president for life accomplish? Being POTUS puts Trump in the history books in a way that his capitalism exploits couldn't. It's probably made him a bit richer, and afterwards he can retire as some sort of American hero.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-24 01:41amYup, that's the "President", talking about literally selling a population of heavily non-white Americans in exchange for another country's land.
I don't think Trump is aware that the population of Greenland is 85% Inuit.
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Broomstick wrote: 2019-08-24 03:55pmI don't think Trump is aware that the population of Greenland is 85% Inuit.
I would post a clip of Homer Simpson denying the existence of Eskimos in that one episode, but YouTube has failed me.
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Broomstick wrote: 2019-08-24 03:55pm
The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-24 01:41amYup, that's the "President", talking about literally selling a population of heavily non-white Americans in exchange for another country's land.
I don't think Trump is aware that the population of Greenland is 85% Inuit.
To be honest I would be surpriced if Trump wasn't aware that there is a population of Greenland and it's not just some barren expanse.

EDIT:Zaune beat me to the punch.
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Broomstick wrote: 2019-08-24 03:55pm
The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-24 01:41amYup, that's the "President", talking about literally selling a population of heavily non-white Americans in exchange for another country's land.
I don't think Trump is aware that the population of Greenland is 85% Inuit.
Yeah. He's probably thinking "Denmark, Nordic, they'll all be white." Idiot.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-24 04:37pm
Broomstick wrote: 2019-08-24 03:55pm
The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-24 01:41amYup, that's the "President", talking about literally selling a population of heavily non-white Americans in exchange for another country's land.
I don't think Trump is aware that the population of Greenland is 85% Inuit.
Yeah. He's probably thinking "Denmark, Nordic, they'll all be white." Idiot.
Or as I implied thinks no one lives in Greenland

Hell even Denmark is probably not 100% white.
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A quick trip to Wikipedia says that about 13% of Denmark is foreign-born, and the top 12 countries of origin are Turkey, Poland, Syria, Germany, Iraq, Romania, Lebanon, Pakistan, Bosnia and Hercegovina, and Somalia. So... no, Denmark is no longer entirely "white". That's Denmark proper, the article did not detail the demographics of the Faroe Islands and, as mentioned, Greenland is 85% Inuit.
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Re: Trump wants to buy Greenland.

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Broomstick wrote: 2019-08-24 07:02pm A quick trip to Wikipedia says that about 13% of Denmark is foreign-born, and the top 12 countries of origin are Turkey, Poland, Syria, Germany, Iraq, Romania, Lebanon, Pakistan, Bosnia and Hercegovina, and Somalia. So... no, Denmark is no longer entirely "white". That's Denmark proper, the article did not detail the demographics of the Faroe Islands and, as mentioned, Greenland is 85% Inuit.
That's pretty much true of all Nordic countries (well I'm not sure of Iceland, but Finland, Sweden and Norway haven't been 100% white for decades), but then I don't expect racist to truly do their research so they'll belive that Nordic Countries are 100% or the BS that a country that's over 50% christian (or people who identify as christian even if they're lapsed) would enact sharia law anytime soon (FYI:the Muslim population of sweden is less then 10%)

For Finland that claim would be even wierder as Finland is around 70% Lutherian, 27% non-religious, 1,1% Orthodox and about 1.6% of other various faiths (notice that Muslim population is so low it's classed under "other various faith").

Yeah the people who Trump (or at least his followers) listen have more really wierd idea how things are here in Northen Europe, my greatest consern recently was minor flooding due to broken storm drain that delayed my trip home (you can read the details at venting thread), not some deathsquads going after white people like the alt right (on both sides of the pond) claim in fact I never heard anything about such things from a reliable source.
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Re: Trump wants to buy Greenland.

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The Guardian's take falls apart, much like any other conspiracy regarding Trump directly doing Putin's bidding, when you consider Trump's very short attention span. Best (and most realistic) case scenario for Putin regarding Trump? Trump keeps being an impulsive, petulant manchild keeping the US from being able to focus on much outside its own borders. Donnie certainly seems enamored with Putin (and other despots), but if Vlady gave him a call and told him "Do X" Trump likely wouldn't without it being made to sound like it would glorify Donald Trump.

Who knows why Greenland popped into the Malevolent Tangerine's brain? He wanted The Thing, and was told he could not have it. So he threw a tantrum. When a simpleton is involved, motives really don't need to be complex.
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Re: Trump wants to buy Greenland.

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Napoleon the Clown wrote: 2019-08-24 10:11pm The Guardian's take falls apart, much like any other conspiracy regarding Trump directly doing Putin's bidding, when you consider Trump's very short attention span. Best (and most realistic) case scenario for Putin regarding Trump? Trump keeps being an impulsive, petulant manchild keeping the US from being able to focus on much outside its own borders. Donnie certainly seems enamored with Putin (and other despots), but if Vlady gave him a call and told him "Do X" Trump likely wouldn't without it being made to sound like it would glorify Donald Trump.

Who knows why Greenland popped into the Malevolent Tangerine's brain? He wanted The Thing, and was told he could not have it. So he threw a tantrum. When a simpleton is involved, motives really don't need to be complex.
I doubt anyone (Putin or otherwise) flat-out gave Trump an instruction on Greenland. That's not how you manipulate Trump. You instead feed his ego and nudge him in the direction you want him to go, while letting him think that its his brilliant idea.

That said, I have no doubt that Putin is smart enough to figure out how to manipulate Trump, if not a hundred percent of the time, at least a lot of the time. It doesn't hurt that a) Trump is enamoured of dictators in general, and b) Russia likely has blackmail material on him (be it a golden shower tape or "just" questionable business dealings).
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Re: Trump wants to buy Greenland.

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Well, a satirical Greenland paper has made a counter-offer (humorously attributed to the PM of Greenland): Greenland will buy back the US, citing its historical claim to America on the basis of its discovery by a Viking, Leif the Lucky, from Greenland:

https://grapevine.is/news/2019/08/20/gr ... g-us-back/
Asked if he has a price in mind, he answered that he hasn’t decided yet, but it would obviously take note of the monstrous debt of the US economy. He added that if Trump would be part of the deal, the price would be even lower.
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