Texas vs. The united States - border issues

[Gandalf]

Is there a legal requirement for a certain amount of accessibility for immigration centre services?

[MC_Lovecraft]

That I don't know. It's international law, written to apply to a lot of different countries and situations, so my understanding is that it mostly deals with the rights of asylum seekers and leaves it up to governments to work out the particulars of satisfying those rights. In general it's up to the asylum seeker to report to an immigration judge for their asylum hearing within the period allowed, and most of them do: https://www.vera.org/publications/immig ... fact-sheet

That said, there's no standard by which our current system could be interpreted as a good-faith effort to comply with international law or recognize the rights of asylum seekers. Biden's proposed immigration bill would go even further, granting him (and the next guy) the power to unilaterally close the border for months at a time, denying entry to everyone, which is explicitly not allowed.

[Zwinmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eM-rXhTo5g

Though do take it with the grain of salt it deserves. It's a break down of why it is stupid

[Solauren]

Is there a legal requirement for a certain amount of accessibility for immigration centre services?

Good luck enforcing that, anywhere, without Trade Sanctions/Military Occupation.

[Broomstick]

Refusing to take in these people and process them as asylum seekers is a violation of international law, and it's something both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of.

Actually a lot of asylum seekers are being allowed in, and to stay, and the Republicans are hopping made about it because they don't want anyone coming in for any reason and are pushing the line every immigrant is an enemy.[/quote]

Also - international law is a bit of a joke because who the hell is going to enforce it? Sure, major powers might impose penalties on nations with little power but no one is capable of stopping the big boys without a major war. That's why Russia is still beating up Ukraine, China does whatever they want in Asia and Africa, and the US is a global bully. "International law" usually boils down to lip service and in the end might makes right rules.

Every administration going back to at least 9/11, and the "temporary" crossing closures which never re-opened, has operated an illegal immigration policy.

Ditto for Europe.

The root problem is that there are millions of people finding their current circumstances so intolerable they're willing to risk death to go elsewhere. That level of motivation is not dissuaded by walls or fences, much less legal or bureaucratic paperwork. The immigration controls that have kept things relatively under control since the late 1940's are breaking down because they weren't designed for this. And it will only get worse.

[Elfdart]

The real problem here is that Biden is too much of a weenie to send in the Army like Eisenhower and Kennedy did (and Johnson threatened to do) when states started this seditious bullshit. He spent his entire career mollycoddling white supremacists and 80-year-old leopards don't change their spots.

Every so often, white supremacists in this country whip themselves into a frenzy when they think the government has become too friendly towards THOSE PEOPLE. The most obvious example is the southern states who started an armed rebellion in the instant Lincoln was elected. A more recent example was when Clinton was elected and militia nuts started howling at the moon, shooting police officers and blowing up government buildings. Raw Story pointed out that the vast majority of January 6th putschists came from congressional districts that in the last few years went from majority white to majority non-white. Abbott's little freak show at the Rio Grande is part of this rancid tradition.

[Zaune]

The real problem here is that Biden is too much of a weenie to send in the Army like Eisenhower and Kennedy did (and Johnson threatened to do) when states started this seditious bullshit.

Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson didn't have to deal with a very large bloc within Congress that was openly backing the seditionists.

[3-Body Problem]

The real problem here is that Biden is too much of a weenie to send in the Army like Eisenhower and Kennedy did (and Johnson threatened to do) when states started this seditious bullshit.

Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson didn't have to deal with a very large bloc within Congress that was openly backing the seditionists.

So why don't the Democrats ever use the same tactics to prevent the Republicans from doing as they please? It feels like one side is willing to use the entire rulebook and then some to get their way while the other side can't even agree on what they actually stand for.

[Elfdart]

The real problem here is that Biden is too much of a weenie to send in the Army like Eisenhower and Kennedy did (and Johnson threatened to do) when states started this seditious bullshit.

Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson didn't have to deal with a very large bloc within Congress that was openly backing the seditionists.

Are you kidding me? Almost half of Kennedy's and Johnson's own party were Dixiecrats.

[Zaune]

Oh, I dare say they were. But they probably weren't brazen enough to be calling for the National Guard to refuse the Commander-In-Chief's orders or worse.

I can't really fault Biden for not wanting to be the president who gave the order that kicked off the Second War of Southern Aggression, even if not coming down hard on Abbott, DeSantis et al will have consequences as well.

[LadyTevar]

Oh, I dare say they were. But they probably weren't brazen enough to be calling for the National Guard to refuse the Commander-In-Chief's orders or worse.

I can't really fault Biden for not wanting to be the president who gave the order that kicked off the Second War of Southern Aggression, even if not coming down hard on Abbott, DeSantis et al will have consequences as well.

Biden's got a lot on his plate right now. The Airstrike in Jordan is probably going to take prescidence for a bit.

[Broomstick]

Sometimes one has to sacrifice the visceral satisfaction of punching someone in the teeth for a quieter strategy that will produce better long term results. Or Biden's distracted. Or doesn't know what he's doing. I do know that as much as I'd like to see various Texas politicians humbled/put in their place doing so might just make them a hero to their "base" and cause them to gather more support.

Just as happy I'm not the one making those decisions. I don't know about Biden, but I'm terrible at politics and if I was in charge I'd probably screw it up.

[Solauren]

Sometimes one has to sacrifice the visceral satisfaction of punching someone in the teeth for a quieter strategy that will produce better long term results. Or Biden's distracted. Or doesn't know what he's doing. I do know that as much as I'd like to see various Texas politicians humbled/put in their place doing so might just make them a hero to their "base" and cause them to gather more support.

Just as happy I'm not the one making those decisions. I don't know about Biden, but I'm terrible at politics and if I was in charge I'd probably screw it up.

So, you're the same level of qualifications as most people elected to public office?

[Batman]

For a republican, she's hopelessly overqualified.

[Broomstick]

Just as happy I'm not the one making those decisions. I don't know about Biden, but I'm terrible at politics and if I was in charge I'd probably screw it up.

So, you're the same level of qualifications as most people elected to public office?

Yep. Honestly, we have appallingly low standards for public office in this country.

For a republican, she's hopelessly overqualified.

True. But for the record I'm not nor have I ever been a Republican. Or a member of any political party.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Just as happy I'm not the one making those decisions. I don't know about Biden, but I'm terrible at politics and if I was in charge I'd probably screw it up.

So, you're the same level of qualifications as most people elected to public office?

Yep. Honestly, we have appallingly low standards for public office in this country.

For a republican, she's hopelessly overqualified.

True. But for the record I'm not nor have I ever been a Republican. Or a member of any political party.

Are you in a red or blue area? You could run as a democrat

[Broomstick]

I'm in a blue-to-purple area of a red state. No desire to run for public office.

[Raw Shark]

True. But for the record I'm not nor have I ever been a Republican. Or a member of any political party.

"I belong to no organized political party; I'm a Democrat." --Will Rogers