Manhunt underway after American health insurance boss shot dead outside New York hotel

[LadyTevar]

The net is widening. Police have found evidence the shooter came via bus from Atlanta Georgia, so they're now searching Atlanta bus terminal, as well as checking major stops along the route to NYC.

They do have video showing the CEO Killer caught a cab outside of Central Park and entered the main Bus Terminal but did not exit back onto the street, implying the killer got on a bus.
Which Bus going Where has been the question up til now.

BBC News: Manhunt Moves to Atlanta

[Raw Shark]

Monopoly money in the bag? He's taunting them. If that's his mode, he's going to overplay it and get caught eventually. If he's smart he'll disappear and leave it there.

What's the joke though? People are acting as if it's some sort of own but I don't get it.

The common man wanting to see a corrupt kingpin taken out is entertainment enough for some. It's an exciting horse race to that type: Can he evade the law? If not, how long will it take to catch him? Double payouts because he's doing some cheeky Riddler shit to draw attention instead of just vanishing. Monopoly money in the bag signals that he thinks our currency has become worthless. If I was a gambling man, I'd say he lost everything due to medical bills from a terminal illness. A guy with nothing to lose. The odds are on the chalkboard, now accepting bets.

[Soontir C'boath]

Monopoly money in the bag? He's taunting them. If that's his mode, he's going to overplay it and get caught eventually. If he's smart he'll disappear and leave it there.

What's the joke though? People are acting as if it's some sort of own but I don't get it.

The game Monopoly inevitably ends with a winner where everyone else becomes poor and indebted/bankrupt.

Health insurance companies main goal is profiting off people who are undoubtedly in a medically vulnerable position. Out of all the health insurance companies, United Healthcare denies the most amount of claims. So you either become medically bankrupt, debilitated, or dead.

[Crazedwraith]

Police question person of interest in killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO

Officials apprehended 26-year-old from Maryland after he was seen at a McDonald’s in Pennsylvania
Police are reportedly questioning a man in Pennsylvania in connection with the New York City shooting death of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, Brian Thompson.

Jessica Tisch, New York City police commissioner, identified the suspect as 26-year-old Luigi Mangione during a press conference on Monday.

“At this time, he is believed to be our person of interest in the brazen targeted murder of Brian Thompson, CEO of United Healthcare,” said Tisch.

Mangione was seen at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and was recognized by someone who then called local police.

Police found Mangione in possession of a firearm suppressor, a mask consistent with that worn by the gunman, a fraudulent New Jersey ID matching the ID the man used to check into the New York City hostel before the shooting, and a handwritten document that “speaks to both his motivation and mindset”, Tisch noted.

NYPD detectives were headed to Pennsylvania to interview the subject further, officials said.

“This apprehension is thanks to the tireless work of the greatest detectives in the world and, of course, the strong relationships we have with our local law enforcement partners on every level, local, state and federal,” Tisch said.

Upon arrest, police said that Mangione was in possession of a ghost gun that may have been made on a 3D printer, that had the capability of firing a 9mm round and a suppressor.

Mangione was born and raised in Maryland, officials said, with ties to San Francisco, California, and his last known address was Honolulu, Hawaii.

His LinkedIn page indicates he studied at the University of Pennsylvania for both his undergraduate education and his master’s degree, graduating in 2020.

His most recent employment appears to have been in Santa Monica, California, per his LinkedIn.

Earlier on Monday, citing a senior law enforcement source, the New York Times reported that the man we now know was Mangione was confronted at a McDonald’s – and showed the same fake New Jersey identification that police believe Thompson’s killer presented when he checked into a hostel on Manhattan’s Upper West Side on 24 November.

The Times said an elderly employee had spotted the man and called 911. It also added that the weapon found on the man was a ghost gun, which is a weapon put together with parts sold online, and that it matches descriptions of the gun used in the shooting.

The newspaper said the man in Altoona faced arrest on local charges for now – possibly for presenting false identification to the police. It also added that a “handwritten manifesto” had been found on the man which was critical of healthcare companies for putting profits above care.

Monday’s development came after police on Sunday again searched a Central Park lake for evidence – including the murder weapon – connected to the Midtown shooting.

As the search for the executive’s killer entered its sixth day on Monday, officials have said they are widening their search.

Law enforcement sources told CBS News that the New York police department and the US marshals had sent investigators to Atlanta to make inquiries and review surveillance footage from Greyhound bus stops on the route from Georgia.

Police have not named a suspect. But Eric Adams, New York’s mayor, hinted on Sunday that authorities might be getting closer to publicly identifying the man in photographs released to the public.

“The net is tightening and we’re going to bring this person to justice,” Adams said on Saturday.

“We don’t want to release that now. If you do, you are basically giving a tip to the person we are find … we’re seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind the mask.”

Two additional images were also released of a masked man in the back of and outside a taxi he used soon after Thompson was fatally shot outside a Midtown hotel the morning of 4 December. Thompson’s killer used a gun with a suppressor, surveillance video showed.

Only one photograph of the suspect without a mask has been made public: an image taken at a hostel soon before the murder when he apparently dropped the mask at the request of a front desk employee.

According to CBS, NYPD divers searched Central Park’s lake on Sunday after failing to recover anything from a similar underwater drag a day earlier. That came after a backpack containing a jacket and Monopoly money that is believed to be the Thompson murder suspect’s was found in the park.

The retired NYPD officer Tom Walsh told the outlet it made sense that police would continue searching the park for clues – and especially for the murder weapon – in the absence of concrete evidence.

“They found the backpack here in Central Park, so it only makes sense that that’s a good dumping ground for a gun,” Walsh said.

Though his survivors include a widow and two sons aged 16 and 19, Thompson’s death elicited a grim schadenfreude from many in the US who had been mistreated by the country’s rapacious health insurance industry. A private funeral for Thompson was planned for Monday, NBC New York reported.

[LadyTevar]

Turned in by a Boomer.

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. Now we get to hear the Whys and Wherefores.

[Tribble]

Turned in by a Boomer.

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. Now we get to hear the Whys and Wherefores.

Lots of Boomers are generally working OT to make sure they take the rest of the world with them.

To paraphrase Chris Rock, I’m not saying he should’ve killed the guy… but I can understand.

[Tribble]

Double post

[Zwinmar]

Yall ready for the speed run of a trial?

[bilateralrope]

If the DA wants to make this case go away, it would be easy to botch the case before a grand jury so they don't indict.

If there is an indictment, I'm expecting a plea deal or the prosecution botches the case enough for the suspect to walk.

[Ralin]

And from the sounds of it he's an educated man from a well-off family. The kind of person who has a better than average chance to not make stupid mistakes and to be able to work effectively with his lawyer and be an active participant in his own defense.

[bilateralrope]

So he will be able to get a decent defense lawyer.

Question is, will their strategy be to get the minimum sentence or maximum publicity for his views ?

[Ralin]

So he will be able to get a decent defense lawyer.

Question is, will their strategy be to get the minimum sentence or maximum publicity for his views ?

The minimum sentence is nothing if the jury nullifies after reading his manifesto.

[Elfdart]

Best candidate for jury nullification in a very long time.

[Raw Shark]

I almost borked the trial of the guy who tried to murder me before the actual murder just by talking to a girl, which I was not trying to nullify. I'm 100% sure it can be done intentionally. I never even got in her pants, we just had a pleasant chat about bicycling.

[bilateralrope]

So he will be able to get a decent defense lawyer.

Question is, will their strategy be to get the minimum sentence or maximum publicity for his views ?

The minimum sentence is nothing if the jury nullifies after reading his manifesto.

That possibility is going to make jury selection very interesting.

[Ralin]

I saw a joke about how the guy should have immediately gone to a tattoo parlor and had "GOOGLE JURY NULLIFICATION" tattooed onto his forehead. I wonder what a judge would do if a defendant actually did that? Make them wear a cap?

[Raw Shark]

I saw a joke about how the guy should have immediately gone to a tattoo parlor and had "GOOGLE JURY NULLIFICATION" tattooed onto his forehead. I wonder what a judge would do if a defendant actually did that? Make them wear a cap?

Hahahahahahahaha thanks, I needed that. But probably, yeah. Or something. I could see the COs just tearing off 12" of duct tape if they had to. Not in a mean way, just in an, "Oh great this is our problem now?" way.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Late to the party but oh well. Two (amusing) thought to add.

Firstly, while I hate that "The Simpsons predicted everything" bit I can't help but feel like we're living in Kent Brockman's world: "Dozens of people are gunned down every day in Springfield but until now none of them were important."

Secondly, I was discussing this whole thing with one of my (UK) Judges in work today and I asked what he thought about it. He sighed and said "I can't condone murder - but I can definitely understand the motivation."

[Broomstick]

The favor would have been if the man had survived, and needed medical care for the rest of his life, so he could see how much it actually cost, and what is insurance didn't cover.

Naw, guys like that, CEO's of companies like that, they have enough personal wealth that even being an invalid for decades wouldn't be the hardship it would be for us ordinary folks.

Someone reported that Hospital was "out of network" because UHC hadn't paid any of the bills that hospital had sent to UHC.

Fucking hilarious if true.

Apparently their latest wheeze is to try and cap how many hours of anaesthesia per operation they'll cover, for which I truly have no words.

No, that was Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, and they walked it back almost immediately.

Of course, I'm sure they were whining "we're not saying you can't have anesthesia... we just aren't going to pay for it. Even if medically necessary."

Secondly, I was discussing this whole thing with one of my (UK) Judges in work today and I asked what he thought about it. He sighed and said "I can't condone murder - but I can definitely understand the motivation."

We can all understand the motivation.

Looks like the shooter may have had back surgery - wondering if insurance bullshit, denials, and lingering problems might be a factor in all this?

[Eternal_Freedom]

Hell, I'm not even in the US and thus not subject to your backwards, barbaric healthcare system and I fully understand the motive for this guy.

[Batman]

Everybody who lnows anything[/i) about the US' sorry excuse for a healthcare system can understand his motivation. They make the US look BRILLIANT by comparison.

[Solauren]

Jury selection anywhere in the United States is going to be tricky, because there is always the chance that members of the jury have a negative attitude towards Health Insurance Providers, or have either had problems, or know someone that has had problems with Health Insurance providers.

[bilateralrope]

Jury selection anywhere in the United States is going to be tricky, because there is always the chance that members of the jury have a negative attitude towards Health Insurance Providers, or have either had problems, or know someone that has had problems with Health Insurance providers.

They might be able to find enough people rich enough to have never had problems. While also somehow not getting themselves excluded from jury duty.

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a jury of his peers.

[Tribble]

Jury selection anywhere in the United States is going to be tricky, because there is always the chance that members of the jury have a negative attitude towards Health Insurance Providers, or have either had problems, or know someone that has had problems with Health Insurance providers.

They might be able to find enough people rich enough to have never had problems. While also somehow not getting themselves excluded from jury duty.

Yeah, that doesn't sound like a jury of his peers.

Has anyone in the US actually tried that? As in “I’m very wealthy so in order to be a true jury of my peers all the jury members have to be wealthy too?”

I mean, the US is about to toss out even the pretence of rule of law applying to wealthy people, but it would be interesting to see if somebody had successfully pulled that off.

[bilateralrope]

Has anyone in the US actually tried that? As in “I’m very wealthy so in order to be a true jury of my peers all the jury members have to be wealthy too?”

I mean, the US is about to toss out even the pretence of rule of law applying to wealthy people, but it would be interesting to see if somebody had successfully pulled that off.

I'm not sure. But I'm suggesting the reverse of that. The shooter claims that the jury isn't a jury of his peers because everybody in it is wealthy.

Though that will probably be sorted in the jury selection questions.