The facts about PETA

[Gandalf]

Thanks for posting this, I must have been asleep when the first anti-PETA stuff went down, becuase one day I turned up and suddeny everyone hated PETA.

[Enforcer Talen]

number 14 really pisses me off.

[InnerBrat]

This is why these bastards make me so mad.
1. The animal rights movement believes that a rat's life has the same value as a child's.

No. The animal rights movement believe that a rat's life has value.

2. According to PETA. the following activities are morally wrong:
owning a pet,

There are too many irresponsible and cruel pet owners out there to count.

going to a zoo or circus,

Ever been to a European zoo and seen the conditions therein? The conditions in many circuses are worse, which is why the use of large animals in circuses is now illegal.

wearing ... suede

Luxury suede is made out of foetuses taken form a slaughtered mother.

eating meat,

OK, I'm not going to get into the mass desertification caused by the meat industry grazing mass hordes of cattle

and fishing.

Cod is one of the most endangered species on the planet.

3. The animal rights industry raises and spends over $300 million annually, yet does not operate a single animal shelter.

*cough* Battersea Dogs Home *cough*

15. The animal rights movement "takes the animals' side in every instance."

Don't equate PETA with the animal rights movement

17. Animal rights advocates .... also oppose routine vaccinations.

Why the fuck would they do that?

19. Animal rights means an end to all cures for diseases.

Absolute Bullshit.

[Queeb Salaron]

Mass desertification?? Texas was a desert long before cattle ranches showed up. Or do you mean somewhere else? I'm confused.

[Darth Wong]

Innerbrat has a point about how you should not tar all animal-rights people with the PETA brush. PETA is an animal-rights EXTREMIST group, and they do not speak for everyone. As for the "desertification", I think she's talking about the fact that vast amounts of grazing land are necessary for cattle, and the more appropriate term is "deforestation".

PS. If you want to make a PETA activist claw his brain out, show him the clip (from one of BBC's nature videos) where a group of killer whales slowly beat a baby seal to death for fun, by literally tossing it through the air with their tails (cats aren't the only animals who torment their prey before killing it). You can see the baby seal screaming in terror and pain as they bash it around for kicks; quite horrible, actually. Anyway, show the activist the clip and then ask what should be done. Watch brain melt

[Queeb Salaron]

PS. If you want to make a PETA activist claw his brain out, show him the clip (from one of BBC's nature videos) where a group of killer whales slowly beat a baby seal to death for fun, by literally tossing it through the air with their tails (cats aren't the only animals who torment their prey before killing it). You can see the baby seal screaming in terror and pain as they bash it around for kicks; quite horrible, actually. Anyway, show the activist the clip and then ask what should be done. Watch brain melt

I would expect something along the lines of, "Well, the whales are OBVIOUSLY picking up on cues given to them by humans who not only maim and torture their own people, but members of other species as well. In fact, studies show that killer whales have demonstrated more and more human-like behavior over the years. For instance, they reproduce, which is obviously a human trait. And because of their reproduction, they've been known to start eating things, too. This is also obviously a human characteristic. How many times do YOU eat in a day? I'd bet it's upwards of THREE TIMES! It's disgusting how much you humans eat, and now the animals are picking up on it, too!"

<Insert sounds of a million people preparing to slap the everliving monkey piss out of the PETAite>

<Insert PETA Armegeddon>

[Peregrin Toker]

2. According to PETA. the following activities are morally wrong:
owning a pet,

There are too many irresponsible and cruel pet owners out there to count.

Does this mean that pet ownership should be outlawed completely??

[InnerBrat]

No, I mean desertification, which is the eventual result when MacDonalds use mass deforestation in the Brazilian rainforests - because once the trees have been removed, the soil doesn't last long, and the grasslands cannot be sustained (or just aren't)

Simon - no, but I wouldn't mind a return of the Dog License.

[Queeb Salaron]

No, I mean desertification, which is the eventual result when MacDonalds use mass deforestation in the Brazilian rainforests - because once the trees have been removed, the soil doesn't last long, and the grasslands cannot be sustained (or just aren't)

Why blame McDonalds? Book printers churn out more paper an hour than McDonalds does in a day. Think about all the business documents that get printed, read once, and shredded to go to an incinerator. Think about the number of toothpicks restaurants around the world go through. Think about the number of cardboard boxes made by every shoe company in existence. McDonalds seems a bit insignificant, wouldn't you agree?

[Nathan F]

Thanks for posting this, I must have been asleep when the first anti-PETA stuff went down, becuase one day I turned up and suddeny everyone hated PETA.

Go back and look for the thread 'PETA GOES TOO FAR'.

You will see why we all hate PETA, and why I started the Anti-PETA League.

If you can't find the thread, go here.

Here is my speil on it:
Many of you know about PETA. The extreemist animal rights organization known for their support of various terroristic activities, everything from support to the eco-terrorist organizations A.L.F. and E.L.F. to their destruction of public and private property.

Recently, PETA send a letter to Yassir Arafat, begging him to 'keep the animals out of the conflict in Israel'. A donkey was used to carry a bomb that killed 12 Israelis. Nothing was mentioned about the 12 dead people.

Now they have gone TOO far. They have begun comparing farming to the Holocaust. They have opened up a website and a traveling exhibit to explain the 'evils' of the farm industry and are using the Holocaust as an analogy. This is incredibly tasteless and is downright insulting.

Quotes from this website:
"[d]uring the twentieth century two of the world’s modern industrialized nations—the United States and Germany—slaughtered millions of human beings and billions of other beings. Each country made its own unique contribution to the century’s carnage: America gave the modern world the slaughterhouse; Nazi Germany gave it the gas chamber."

"To animals, all people are Nazis."

Etc.

Just go and take a look for yourself:
(Warning: Contains graphic material)
http://www.masskilling.com

Frankly, I consider this a blatant disregard for the lives lost during the Holocaust, and a tasteless exploitation of it.

Also, for anyone who has considered joining this organization: They just called YOU a Nazi.

I found a contact on this website, and I suggest that, after viewing it, you contact them:
mattprescott@peta.org


BTW: I did contact that fellow, and he refused to budge in his stance. Sicko Nazi moron (That site refers to all humans as Nazis, so, if he defends it, then he is calling himself a Nazi, not me).[/url]

[Nathan F]

Forgot to say, if you notice, they compare American meat slaughterhouses to Nazi gas chambers.

[Nathan F]

Innerbrat has a point about how you should not tar all animal-rights people with the PETA brush. PETA is an animal-rights EXTREMIST group, and they do not speak for everyone. As for the "desertification", I think she's talking about the fact that vast amounts of grazing land are necessary for cattle, and the more appropriate term is "deforestation".

Heck, I am all for animal rights, and am a conservationist. I donate money every year to conservation efforts, through the form of hunting and fishing licenses. I want to preserve our wildlife for future people as much as the next guy.

[Illuminatus Primus]

*snip*

Yes because this has every fucking thing to do with your anti-right wing ranting.

[Illuminatus Primus]

McDonalds seems a bit insignificant, wouldn't you agree?

Shhh Queeb. McDonalds is eval impiraliusm yo. It iz ze enemi

[Tsyroc]

Logging companies?, what the fuck do they expect us to make our houses out of, dead baby seals?

How about ivory (not the soap)?

[Andrew J.]

*pokes the n00b*

Now that that's over with, I'd like to say that I knew most of this stuff already, but that there were a few bits I didn't. Thank you.

[Coyote]

I have seen PETA billboards here in Boise attacking the March of Dimes and still have no idea what exactly is beign attacked. Not that I care too much-- if PETA is against it, then I'm inclined towards it.

Some things PETA is against I understand-- what Innerbrat mentioned about the cruel condition of circuses comes to mind-- but then they go too far in many circumstances.

[Peregrin Toker]

Simon - no, but I wouldn't mind a return of the Dog License.

Hard to argue with that after being hounded (no pun intended) by a loose Rottweiler.

Now they have gone TOO far. They have begun comparing farming to the Holocaust. They have opened up a website and a traveling exhibit to explain the 'evils' of the farm industry and are using the Holocaust as an analogy. This is incredibly tasteless and is downright insulting.

Given that Hitler was a vegetarian, this analogy does not hold much water.

"To animals, all people are Nazis."

Shouldn't PETA change its name to "International Union of Misanthropic Vegetarians??"

[Peregrin Toker]

How about ivory (not the soap)?

Funny that you mentioned soap - ex-beatle and PETA member Paul McCartney refuses to sit on leather couches, but according to urban legend, he has nothing against using soap made from animal fat.

I've said it one time, and I can't say it enough: PETA are a prime example of double standards and moral relativism.

[InnerBrat]

Why blame McDonalds? Book printers churn out more paper an hour than McDonalds does in a day. Think about all the business documents that get printed, read once, and shredded to go to an incinerator. Think about the number of toothpicks restaurants around the world go through. Think about the number of cardboard boxes made by every shoe company in existence. McDonalds seems a bit insignificant, wouldn't you agree?

Gotta say the paper and wood industry farms and replaces trees on a regular basis, maintaining forests.
The meat industry (of which the fast food insudtry is a major part), on the other hand, clears the forests for grassland, which doesn't last long.

[Hamel]

Given that Hitler was a vegetarian, this analogy does not hold much water.

Interestingly, Hitler's supposed vegetarianism was triggered by the death of one of his girlfriends (his cousin, I believe)

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Given that Hitler was a vegetarian, this analogy does not hold much water.

Interestingly, Hitler's supposed vegetarianism was triggered by the death of one of his girlfriends (his cousin, I believe)

I thought it was for dietary reasons, or something.

Anyway, I'll have to agree with Nathan F in renaming PETA. They're giving animal rights activists a bad name.

[TrailerParkJawa]

Why blame McDonalds? Book printers churn out more paper an hour than McDonalds does in a day. Think about all the business documents that get printed, read once, and shredded to go to an incinerator. Think about the number of toothpicks restaurants around the world go through. Think about the number of cardboard boxes made by every shoe company in existence. McDonalds seems a bit insignificant, wouldn't you agree?

Gotta say the paper and wood industry farms and replaces trees on a regular basis, maintaining forests.
The meat industry (of which the fast food insudtry is a major part), on the other hand, clears the forests for grassland, which doesn't last long.

Thats only true for jungle clearance and it is a problem. But most beef production in the US and Canada does not result in desertification.

In fact some beef production in my area is the only thing keeping hillsides from becoming new houses.

[Darth Wong]

Thats only true for jungle clearance and it is a problem. But most beef production in the US and Canada does not result in desertification.

In fact some beef production in my area is the only thing keeping hillsides from becoming new houses.

True, although I'd point out that we have land to spare. The prairie provinces and midwest states have been grazing ground since long before the concept of the farm came to this continent. The same is not necessarily true in other parts of the world, where they may be causing crucial damage to their forest land through grazing-related deforestation.

[TrailerParkJawa]

Thats only true for jungle clearance and it is a problem. But most beef production in the US and Canada does not result in desertification.

In fact some beef production in my area is the only thing keeping hillsides from becoming new houses.

True, although I'd point out that we have land to spare. The prairie provinces and midwest states have been grazing ground since long before the concept of the farm came to this continent. The same is not necessarily true in other parts of the world, where they may be causing crucial damage to their forest land through grazing-related deforestation.

Yes, I agree that clearing the rain forest for cattle production is not a good idea. Clearing the rain forest for any agriculture is a bad idea since the soil quality underneath is generally poor. In the jungle all the nutrients are found in the biomass.

One other thing that we have in US/Canada is the industrial feed lot. Which has its own issues, but does not promote deforestation.