Isreal in the EU?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-05-23 08:11pm

I prefer UK/US debates because its clear who is superior, however with the EU involved it evens up the scales by dragging the UK's average down

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Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-23 08:14pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Yeah the US could beat us individually however by the end of it the US would be taking orders from Burma, having a few 100 nukes chucked at you will do that to a countries relative power (of course that is just the UK and France), the EU combined - come off it not even the US is that powerful (without a nuclear exchange in which case see previous).

As for the sovereignty issue, I'm sure Hawaii regrets joining the US, instead of going its lonesome and enjoying its "freedom".

Few hundred, hahahaha. Much of the time the French don't have a single SSBN at sea and the UK has one. The boats in dock would be lucky to last 30 minutes in a war. The nations currently in the EU have shit for air defenses, while they lack aircraft with the range to actually strike back. We've been over the relative balance of power five or six times now.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-05-23 08:19pm

Come on, people, this has been done more than enough times and usually ends in fire. We were just joking

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-05-23 08:23pm

Yeah because those subs are going to be sitting there during a war and I very much doubt that a US war on the UK/EU could happen without somebody getting wind of it, the EU also doesn't need to have more aircraft than the US just the fact that the EU's land based aircraft are better than the US's carrier based ones (obviously), the EU doesn't need to strike back at the US and even if they wanted to they couldn't because they don't have the ability all they need to do is stop the US beating the EU in Europe something which they could handle very well.

That fight is a stalemate, at least until the Canadians take advantage of the US distraction and launch he great Moose offensive.

This however is off topic but unsurprising given that threads about the EU often end up with Americans expressing their rather low opinion of it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-23 08:26pm

TheDarkling wrote:Yeah because those subs are going to be sitting there during a war and I very much doubt that a US war on the UK/EU could happen without somebody getting wind of it, the EU also doesn't need to have more aircraft than the US just the fact that the EU's land based aircraft are better than the US's carrier based ones (obviously), the EU doesn't need to strike back at the US and even if they wanted to they couldn't because they don't have the ability all they need to do is stop the US beating the EU in Europe something which they could handle very well.

Right, we all know how Impressive those F.3 Tornados and F-4 Phantoms are. Fear the mighty Mirage 2000. And I'm sure the handful of Rafales will operate just fine with their bases blown to hell because they lack anything like sufficient defenses.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-05-23 08:36pm

Just wondering...

Has the UK actually joined the EU yet?

If not, that takes away one of the more significant naval powers I know of in the EU (outside of the French).

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-05-23 08:40pm

RogueIce wrote:Just wondering...

Has the UK actually joined the EU yet?

If not, that takes away one of the more significant naval powers I know of in the EU (outside of the French).

Come on, really. The U.K joining the E.U is a bit of old news. You're a few decades behind times

They haven't joined the Euro yet, together with two or three more members, but that's not related with being E.U.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-05-23 08:50pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:Come on, really. The U.K joining the E.U is a bit of old news. You're a few decades behind times

They haven't joined the Euro yet, together with two or three more members, but that's not related with being E.U.

*shrug* I never really cared about the EU. I just thought they were a silly wannabe USA.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-05-23 11:36pm

This is all nice to talk about hypothetically, but a stable EU will never advance to the south of the Sava.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-24 01:02am

And Israel is in the Middle East- not Europe, if you want to be anal retentive.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-24 01:02am

TheDarkling wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:
Neither does Morocco, and it will join the E.U eventually. Have you seen the projections for the future? The Roman Empire was nothing compared to a fully grown E.U. We will have our own private sea once again
Of course, the United States could singlehandedly defeat the lot of you while retaining its soveriengty in the bargain, so I'm not very impressed.
Yeah the US could beat us individually however by the end of it the US would be taking orders from Burma, having a few 100 nukes chucked at you will do that to a countries relative power (of course that is just the UK and France), the EU combined - come off it not even the US is that powerful (without a nuclear exchange in which case see previous).

As for the sovereignty issue, I'm sure Hawaii regrets joining the US, instead of going its lonesome and enjoying its "freedom".

yeah, couple hundred nukes at usa would do wonders for world economy - particularly since with have a few thousand to throw back.

war between the two continents is suicide.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-24 01:08am

Vympel wrote:And Israel is in the Middle East- not Europe, if you want to be anal retentive.

There is no Middle East! It just south western Asia!

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-05-24 01:30am

Israel won't get into the EU until it sorts its own shit out in a way that the rest of the world doesn't recoil in horror from.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-24 01:38am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Vympel wrote:And Israel is in the Middle East- not Europe, if you want to be anal retentive.
There is no Middle East! It just south western Asia!

Ahhh, there's always someone more anal retentive than me

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-05-24 04:51am

The only nation that wins a war between the US and EU is China.

Europe loses their strongest and largest trading partner, and gets a good part of western and central europe turned into a parking lot. The US will survive, but in a diminished capacity and full of anarchy that will take multiple decades to fix.

Since every economy in the world is linked heavily to America's, you get a massive global recession, only this time the US and european nations can't bail out other countries. China has most of its resources intact, and now has the largest controlled arsenal in the world. It can start reaching into southeast asia, and might bump heads with India.

Your new world powers are China, India, Japan, Australia, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia. Enjoy your security council meetings.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-05-24 07:35am

Poland, Russia, and the Ukraine I can accept, Turkey is a nice addition, but ISRAEL!!!!!??? I say the West should stop kissing Sharon's pasty warmongering ass and start trying to work out a PEACE settlement!! I am STEAMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The EU has gone too far this time!

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-05-24 07:57am

Darth Gojira wrote:Poland, Russia, and the Ukraine I can accept, Turkey is a nice addition, but ISRAEL!!!!!??? I say the West should stop kissing Sharon's pasty warmongering ass and start trying to work out a PEACE settlement!! I am STEAMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The EU has gone too far this time!

LMAO!

Read the article before getting upset. It was the Israeli foreign minister that raised the issue, not the E.U

And the article suggests that he's trying to make the E.U more pro-Israel, as opposed to our traditional palestinian simpathy (the way they see it).

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-24 07:58am

As an aside, the Mirage 2000 is pretty cool.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-24 09:31am

Vympel wrote:As an aside, the Mirage 2000 is pretty cool.

It's even cooler when it explodes.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-05-24 09:33am

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Darth Gojira wrote:Poland, Russia, and the Ukraine I can accept, Turkey is a nice addition, but ISRAEL!!!!!??? I say the West should stop kissing Sharon's pasty warmongering ass and start trying to work out a PEACE settlement!! I am STEAMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The EU has gone too far this time!
LMAO!

Read the article before getting upset. It was the Israeli foreign minister that raised the issue, not the E.U

And the article suggests that he's trying to make the E.U more pro-Israel, as opposed to our traditional palestinian simpathy (the way they see it).

Sorry. So it's a case of "pleasegiveusmoregunsIpromisewewon'tkillanyonepleasewesternworldplease?" Sounds like Isreal to me!

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-05-24 11:44pm

NATO unofficially has acknowledged that Israel is its southern tier, although no one would admit such in public, because the EU is quite pro-Palesinian and Pro-Arab. A lot of North African countries have sought EU ties but I believe accepting Israel's right to exist is an unwritten rule to EU membership...

The EU recognizes Israel's right to exist, but they also use their right to hiund it incessantly. And, Darth Gojira, Sharon has publicly stated Israeli interest in complying with the Road Map even though it calls for a two state solution, Palestinian soveriengty, and pulling out of Settlements. So far, it is the Palestinians who are balking.

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2003-05-24 11:58pm

TheDarkling wrote:Yeah because those subs are going to be sitting there during a war and I very much doubt that a US war on the UK/EU could happen without somebody getting wind of it, the EU also doesn't need to have more aircraft than the US just the fact that the EU's land based aircraft are better than the US's carrier based ones (obviously), the EU doesn't need to strike back at the US and even if they wanted to they couldn't because they don't have the ability all they need to do is stop the US beating the EU in Europe something which they could handle very well.

That fight is a stalemate, at least until the Canadians take advantage of the US distraction and launch he great Moose offensive.

This however is off topic but unsurprising given that threads about the EU often end up with Americans expressing their rather low opinion of it.

Realistically, without the use of nukes, The US can't invade Europe. Europe can't invade the US and neith can invade China. China can't invade Europe or the US. Contenental powers are just to big and populous in attack each other. Sure they can destroy each other but they can't conquer each other. At best they can snipe each other around the edges.