More brilliance from the Guardian

[Joe]

surpression of civil liberties

Not to a Hitlerian extent.

surpression of the free flow of ideas(keeping track of what books we read),

I don't see the comparison.

requiring 1 semetic ethnic group's members to register,

Damned lie.

using military action to remove attention from economic incompetance,

Not uniquely Hitlerian, and certainly not worse than using military action to remove attention from your sexual escapades.

legalized descrimination against citizens (patriot act #2's lovely ability to remove the citizenship of naturalized citizens without trial, holding people suspected of "terrorism" without their writ of habeus corpus being respected), allowing for greater survelance on the population and creating an arm of the executive to manage it (Fatherland security office, with then the increased search warrent, wire tapping, and listening in on privilaged conversations))

Agreed, but none of this has yet been taken to anything resembling a Hitlerian extent.

Fact is bush really is of rather low intelligence, look at his SAT scores for christ's sake, I did better in 7th grade (part of some special program where middle school kids take the SATs), listen to any of his unrehersed comments he sounds like an illeducated and slow backwater man.

A 1200 is not an easy score to achieve, only a small minority of the population can do that well (and this was back when the SAT was considerably more difficult than it is now).

Now all that asside there aer many other reasons stated by almost every dissident against the war, the lack of necessity, the immorality, the illegality (still debated among internationall lawyers mind you, but alot of violations of the UN charter and Geneva happened), the current incapablity of the americans to even manage to plant evidence of chemical weapons let alone find the real deal.

Well, I'm not really in disagreement here, there are legitimate reasons both for and against this war. Cleaning up our shit was enough for me, though.

[phongn]

I don't remember the exact value so this may be off, but an pre-recentered 1450 was considered the modern equivilant of a 1600.

[NapoleonGH]

Durran, did you even READ when i said, QUANTITATIVE difference vs Qualititiate, thus your complaints that "not to a hitlerian extent" completely rienforce my point of view.

Ohh and requiring arab males to register and be fingerprinted most certainly is very similar to when hitler required the jews to be registered and fingerprinted, i dont see a difference. The difference will be whether or not our semetic minority will be forced to wear yellow crescents or not, I supremely hope not, but i wouldnt be surprised if yes.

[StimNeuro]

Durran, did you even READ when i said, QUANTITATIVE difference vs Qualititiate, thus your complaints that "not to a hitlerian extent" completely rienforce my point of view.

Ohh and requiring arab males to register and be fingerprinted most certainly is very similar to when hitler required the jews to be registered and fingerprinted, i dont see a difference. The difference will be whether or not our semetic minority will be forced to wear yellow crescents or not, I supremely hope not, but i wouldnt be surprised if yes.

Your 'Arab males - Jews' analogy is perfectly valid, seeing as how the next step for the administration is to place all Arab males in ghettos and concentration camps.

[NapoleonGH]

Once again, reread my statement there dumbass, i said clearly, the question is if the us next requires them to wear yellow crescents, which if you didnt know was the interim step between registration and ghettos. My entire point is that all these policies are setting up the same foundation that hitler set up in the mid 30s, not that bush has gone as far as hitler did, or that he necessarily will. I have made this abundantly clear but you militant "you cannot compare anyone who doesnt genocide's actions to hitler" people are clearly illiterate i cannot come up with a single other explanation as to why i must explain this difference repeatedly to you unless rather than being illiterate, you are just an idiot.

[Joe]

Wrong. Americans have done a pretty good job with not making all Muslims into scapegoats for terrorism. There's more anti-Jewish violence than there is anti-Muslim violence these days.

[NapoleonGH]

once again durran, i stated that they were forced to register, as hitler made his jews do, i did not say we were killing them. Please actually take the time to well READ what others post, im getting terribly annoyed with having to repeat myself to people who obviously are illiterate, dont bother to read what others write, or are morons.

[Joe]

What the fuck are you talking about? Islamic Americans have not been forced to register with the government.

[NapoleonGH]

umm yea anyone of recent descent from a number of middle eastern countries, man or boy, was required to register with INS and give fingerprints/keep them informed as to their location. This is something that was specific to them, the deadline for that registration was in Februrary/January for people from most of the list of countries.

[Joe]

Evidence, please. In any case, if this were true, it only applies to recent immigrants, not the entire Muslim population.

[NapoleonGH]

once again stated it was a step in hitler's direction and paralled some of his moves not that it was of the same quantitative scale.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0206/p03s01-usgn.html

http://www.indypgh.com/news/2003/02/1398.php


these are for non-us citizens mind you, and I realize that fact, but we are singling out people from a specific ethnicity to need special registration that people of other ethnicities do not require. This I say is something that parallels and is similar to, but obviously not identical to, hitler's requiring jews to register. This could be the step before taking the step that the Nazis took in requiring the registration of jews, it could stop at this step, i simply do not know.

[Joe]

America has been extremely respectful of the rights of Islamic citizens and the current administration has refused to institute policies of racial profiling among American citizens. Simply keeping tabs on people from countries known to be hostile to the U.S. does not automatically lead to mass Muslim registration. That's a slippery slope.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

these are for non-us citizens mind you, and I realize that fact, but we are singling out people from a specific ethnicity to need special registration that people of other ethnicities do not require. This I say is something that parallels and is similar to, but obviously not identical to, hitler's requiring jews to register. This could be the step before taking the step that the Nazis took in requiring the registration of jews, it could stop at this step, i simply do not know.

No, it couldn't be. The Nazis did that to their own citizenry - We're merely taking precautionary measures to protect ourselves from certain foreigners who are from clearly hostile nations (even if we officially deny this). Nothing has been done against citizens of Islamic background, and so your argument is totally fallacious, turned into a slippery fish of a dodge by the tack-on "i simply do not know."

[Rhadamanthus]

And anybody is surprised by this? This is the freaking Guardian we're talking about. If they thought they could pull it off they would blame the US for the black plague

Oh, joy, more Bush-Hitler whining.

"He's nothing like Hitler, but I don't like him, and nobody likes Hitler, so if I compare them, maybe people will agree without noticing that I can't back it up in any fashion."

Requiring people from nations hostile to the US to register with the INS is not remotely comparable to Hitler requiring the registration German citizens to be marked for extermination, except in the delusional fairy liberal land where you want to make Bush the source of all evil.