Rant related to liberals, conservatives, davis & bush

[Darth Wong]

You're ignoring the very real problem's Clinton's policy lead. It's not ridiculous or unfair to note that the orginal downturn was in his presidency and because of his policy.

I'm not defending the things Bush did that kicked the economy while it's down. Iraq and his administrations spending have hurt the economy. Though I do defend the tax cuts.

If you concede that Bush is responsible for serious problems, why then do you invariably change the subject to Clinton? EVERY administration inherits problems from its predecessor, but that doesn't mean its defenders should respond to every criticism by simply blasting the previous administration for not leaving them with a bed of roses to shit on.

Just because you think anyone that has a bad thing to say about Clinton is a knee jerk Bush defender show's your own bias.

Don't go assuming that I generalize the way you do. I know that you really are a knee-jerk Bush defender. You have always defended all of his major policy decisions, including the Iraq war which you concede kicked the economy in the nuts.

Especially since you obviously miss the fact that I acknowledged Bush made the situation worse.

Then why try to switch the conversation to Clinton? And as I said, I have never noticed you disagreeing with any major Bush policy decision.

[Stormbringer]

Well, I don't know, but something about the CEO building a $35 million home in Florida while thousands of ready-to-retire workers lose their jobs and start working at McDonald's tells me that something should have been done.

There's not a hell of a lot he can do with out violating due process.

Thus, it's okay to exacerbate the situation. Thank you.

And what should he had done exactly? He did what he could do legally about the Coperate criminals. Should he have declared martial law and shot them to save a stock market tanking because it was built on BS?

He also made it a point during the debates that he didn't think our troops should be used for nation building. There's a big difference between promising to bomb the shit out of a country and promising to bomb the shit out of it and then rebuild it.

So should we just nuke Iraq and Afghanistan and then forget about it? Or just pull out now? Because you're naive enough to think air power can fix it all doesn't mean it works.

Even so, his outlined agenda during the debates did not take September 11th and the shitty economy into account. So let's embrace reality here and not pretend that Bush had no choice but to go to war with Iraq in spite of the highest unemployment rates in 20 years.

He had a choice and made it. It's clear there's no point rehashing it now. It has hurt the economy, never said otherwise.

I'm still at a loss as to what Clinton has to do with this. Even if I grant that Clinton fucked up the economy, how does that excuse Bush fucking it up even more than it already was?

It doesn't. Darthdavid's opening post blamed Bush for recession with out ever considering that it began before he ever took office. That's why it came up. Or did you think this was supposed to be yet another thread where the liberals all get together and moan about how Bush is evil, evil, evil and out to ruin America.

[Stormbringer]

If you concede that Bush is responsible for serious problems, why then do you invariably change the subject to Clinton? EVERY administration inherits problems from its predecessor, but that doesn't mean its defenders should respond to every criticism by simply blasting the previous administration for not leaving them with a bed of roses to shit on.

Because the topic started by blaming the recession on Bush and only Bush. I'm all for assigning Bush fair blame for what he's done th

Then why try to switch the conversation to Clinton? And as I said, I have never noticed you disagreeing with any major Bush policy decision.

For the simple reason that people are trying to blame Bush for the entirity of the recession. When people blame the wrong administration for the problems I feel the need to point out the error in their usual rant.

Because you haven't noticed doesn't mean there aren't ones. I actually happen to disagree with the Patroit Act, the faith based charity issue, a lot of of the social issues. The fact that you didn't notice doesn't mean I always agree.

And of course you miss the fact that I don't want to vote for him but I find Dean an even less palable choice.