Durran Korr wrote:How liberal do you have to be to be a liberal by European standards?
After his death, Paul Wellstone was compaired to a moderate European politician. I also remember reading a usenet conversation between two Brits. One said that CNN was about as conservative as you could be without frothing at the mouth. And I have an article by a German living in America who said that B. Clinton would be on the right side of Germany's conservative party. As such, I would say pretty far to the left compaired to your average American.
Question for the Europeans here: Are people like Noam Chomsky or Michael Parenti (if you've heard of them) considered far left in Europe or moderates?
Durran Korr wrote:How liberal do you have to be to be a liberal by European standards?
After his death, Paul Wellstone was compaired to a moderate European politician. I also remember reading a usenet conversation between two Brits. One said that CNN was about as conservative as you could be without frothing at the mouth. And I have an article by a German living in America who said that B. Clinton would be on the right side of Germany's conservative party. As such, I would say pretty far to the left compaired to your average American.
Question for the Europeans here: Are people like Noam Chomsky or Michael Parenti (if you've heard of them) considered far left in Europe or moderates?
I'd like to add one other item to your question:
Is Chomsky really a communist?
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Durran Korr wrote:Chomsky is an utopian anarchist, I believe.
Want to post a link for verification? With your leanings he could be a vertious centerist for all I know.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
I'm curious. Who were the people that voted socially conservative?
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Stuart Mackey wrote:gahh, Liberal has a different meaning here. Liberal is the traditional English whig for us but by your terms I would be a liberal in most respects
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Stuart Mackey wrote:gahh, Liberal has a different meaning here. Liberal is the traditional English whig for us but by your terms I would be a liberal in most respects
I hear you man, I really do.
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Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
I'm an evil imperialist dog who will force freedom onto others whether they like it or not. LOL
Thats quite honest, too. I fully support imperialism, as long as the conquered get full representation in government and get treated like any other state.
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kojikun wrote:I'm an evil imperialist dog who will force freedom onto others whether they like it or not. LOL
Thats quite honest, too. I fully support imperialism, as long as the conquered get full representation in government and get treated like any other state.
You need to read history a bit more.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
Durran Korr wrote:How liberal do you have to be to be a liberal by European standards?
After his death, Paul Wellstone was compaired to a moderate European politician. I also remember reading a usenet conversation between two Brits. One said that CNN was about as conservative as you could be without frothing at the mouth. And I have an article by a German living in America who said that B. Clinton would be on the right side of Germany's conservative party. As such, I would say pretty far to the left compaired to your average American.
Question for the Europeans here: Are people like Noam Chomsky or Michael Parenti (if you've heard of them) considered far left in Europe or moderates?
I'd like to add one other item to your question:
Is Chomsky really a communist?
I think he's an anarcho-syndicalist, or at least some sort of anarchist.
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CelesKnight wrote:After his death, Paul Wellstone was compaired to a moderate European politician. I also remember reading a usenet conversation between two Brits. One said that CNN was about as conservative as you could be without frothing at the mouth.
Isn't it? If somebody's going to say something embarrassing about the Republican party, CNN will be the second-last to report it (Fox would not report it at all, because they'll be out doing alien autopsies and trying to prove that mankind never landed on the moon).
And I have an article by a German living in America who said that B. Clinton would be on the right side of Germany's conservative party. As such, I would say pretty far to the left compaired to your average American.
Why do you find that so shocking? From a fiscal standpoint, Clinton was no more or less conservative than Bush:
That's a pretty sizable growth at the end. Keep in mind that the increase in defense spending due to the Iraq war constitutes only around 20% of the budget increases.
Mind you, Clinton was quite far left of Bush on social issues, but then again, who isn't?
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CelesKnight wrote:After his death, Paul Wellstone was compaired to a moderate European politician. I also remember reading a usenet conversation between two Brits. One said that CNN was about as conservative as you could be without frothing at the mouth.
Isn't it? If somebody's going to say something embarrassing about the Republican party, CNN will be the second-last to report it (Fox would not report it at all, because they'll be out doing alien autopsies and trying to prove that mankind never landed on the moon).
I should have added that most Americans would consider CNN to be generally moderate (I just took that as a given). I searched for a national poll on American's views of CNN, but couldn't find one, so the above statement is just my own observation.
There are plenty of examples on all sides to "prove" that a news channel is liberal or conservative; however, the real issue at hand is how people view that channel. If most Americans view CNN as moderate, and if most Europeans view CNN as very conservative, that would be indicative that Europeans are significantly more liberal than Americans, which was the subject of the question that I was responding to.
The same applies to Wellstone and Clinton. If most Americans view them as very liberal and moderately-liberal respectively; while Europeans view them as moderate and very conservative respectively, that would be indicative of Europeans being further to the left than Americans.
