Airline Security Failure

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-21 10:28am

phongn wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:Question: is it legal to copy movies from some file server in China?
Is it legal to import one of those "special" DVDs/VCDs from Taiwan?

Probably not.

We'll soon find out whether the RIAA/MPAA have a case. My point is people who copy movies and songs are essentially cheating both industries. So if you find yourself summoned to court, don't be too shocked.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-21 10:30am

/checks foobar playlist.

Oh look! They're all personal rips or music from friends' bands!

But yes, had I had such material on my HD and the RIAA found out, I would very much be seen in the courts, or at least extorted out of $2K or so.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-21 10:41am

phongn wrote:/checks foobar playlist.

Oh look! They're all personal rips or music from friends' bands!

But yes, had I had such material on my HD and the RIAA found out, I would very much be seen in the courts, or at least extorted out of $2K or so.

Some people, most of the time, "share" movies and songs so they don't have to spend hard earned on the CD or DVD. If those types of people are found guilty, too bad for them.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-10-21 10:43am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durandal wrote:You know, there once was a time when whistle-blowing was considered every citizen's duty.
That's socialist thinking, comrade. The needs of the many, the good of society, etc. You have forgotten that all of morality has been distilled down to the protection of individual rights and the defense of the Bush Administration.

Of course. I'll report to a re-education center immediately. Thank you for alerting me as to my godless communist leanings.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-21 10:53am

BoredShirtless wrote:Some people, most of the time, "share" movies and songs so they don't have to spend hard earned on the CD or DVD. If those types of people are found guilty, too bad for them.

I know that

(And there's nothing wrong with sharing the physical media

)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-10-21 12:16pm

Durandal wrote:You know, there once was a time when whistle-blowing was considered every citizen's duty.

Well, rather than simply going to the media and raising a stink about it he smuggled this stuff in. He might have had the best of intentions but he broke the law and he'll be punished acoordingly.

Mr Flibble · Post by **Mr Flibble** » 2003-10-21 12:24pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Durandal wrote:You know, there once was a time when whistle-blowing was considered every citizen's duty.

Well, rather than simply going to the media and raising a stink about it he smuggled this stuff in. He might have had the best of intentions but he broke the law and he'll be punished acoordingly.

Sure he broke the law, but don't you think that maybe the punishment should fit the crime? He obviously had no intention of doing harm. I am not saying he should get off scott free, but throwing the book at him is ridiculous, not to mention a waste of government resources, sticking him in prison costs, and I don't really think this crime warrants that level of punishment.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-21 01:20pm

Mr Flibble wrote: Sure he broke the law, but don't you think that maybe the punishment should fit the crime? He obviously had no intention of doing harm. I am not saying he should get off scott free, but throwing the book at him is ridiculous, not to mention a waste of government resources, sticking him in prison costs, and I don't really think this crime warrants that level of punishment.

The judge will take all that you listed into consideration before deciding the verdict, which is what I'm pretty sure Stormbringer meant by saying "he'll be punished accordingly".

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-10-21 01:45pm

Mr Flibble wrote:Sure he broke the law, but don't you think that maybe the punishment should fit the crime? He obviously had no intention of doing harm. I am not saying he should get off scott free, but throwing the book at him is ridiculous, not to mention a waste of government resources, sticking him in prison costs, and I don't really think this crime warrants that level of punishment.

I think the punishment should fit the crime and the fact is the kid committed a fairly serious crime. He chose a route that broke the law in full knowledge of the consequences. I'm not saying he ought to be thrown in prison and forgetten. He commited a crime though and I hope he's punished accordingly.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-10-21 03:31pm

While his intentions are good, his means were poor. I'd say a year or two of probation would be fine.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-10-21 03:58pm

Stormy, what the fuck is up with your attitude on the absolute infalability of law?
I've noticed it before particularly on drug issues, break the law and expect to be bubba's bum buddy for the next few decades.....even when what you have done had caused NO harm and in this particular case potential GOOD..

I say a suspended sentence or probation of some sort would be best, none of this bullshit about "you break the law, go to jail for an age".

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-10-21 04:05pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:Stormy, what the fuck is up with your attitude on the absolute infalability of law?

I don't think the law is infallible. But I do think if you knowingly violate the law you shouldn't be suprised when you get punished for it. As I've said, he shouldn't be thrown in the dungeon or anything but he certainly shouldn't get off for doing this.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-10-21 04:49pm

phongn wrote:/checks foobar playlist.

Oh look! They're all personal rips or music from friends' bands!

But yes, had I had such material on my HD and the RIAA found out, I would very much be seen in the courts, or at least extorted out of $2K or so.

Forget the civil courts, the RIAA is allowed to prosecute under the DMCA and even the Patriot Act (I'm not kidding) for use of P2P. This means hard jail time if they felt like it; how would you like to be serving THAT sentance? You feel that that is fair?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-10-21 04:50pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Stormy, what the fuck is up with your attitude on the absolute infalability of law?
I don't think the law is infallible. But I do think if you knowingly violate the law you shouldn't be suprised when you get punished for it. As I've said, he shouldn't be thrown in the dungeon or anything but he certainly shouldn't get off for doing this.

And just what would be a fair punishment in your mind for this?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-10-21 04:58pm

The Kernel wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:I don't think the law is infallible. But I do think if you knowingly violate the law you shouldn't be suprised when you get punished for it. As I've said, he shouldn't be thrown in the dungeon or anything but he certainly shouldn't get off for doing this.
And just what would be a fair punishment in your mind for this?

I'm not sure. A few months in jail and then probation for a good long while.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-10-21 06:38pm

He really should have thought about this - a felony conviction is all but guaranteed to bar you from any job requiring any sort of security clearance.