Kerry wins Iowa

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-20 08:55am

Edwards looks squeaky clean compared to practically- everyone else. There MUST be something wrong with him.

Kerry eh? I can see that guy as President. Though he reminds me of a "Tom Clancy movie" POTUS.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-01-20 09:49am

Here is some entrance polling numbers/.////

Dean didn't even carry the young vote..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po ... 011903.htm

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Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-01-20 10:12am

I'll put it this way, I'd prefer Dean. But with the alternative being another 4 years of Bush, beggars can't be choosers. I'll happily take either Kerry or Edwards if it means Bush goes away.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-20 11:51am

Could've been worse. Could've been Lieberman!

*shudders*

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-01-20 12:15pm

Lazy Raptor wrote:Could've been worse. Could've been Lieberman!

*shudders*

Actually, no, it couldn't have been. Lieberman is a Republican who likes to run around claiming that he's a Democrat, and then likes to piss and whine when no one endorses him because he's got no chance of winning.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-20 12:20pm

seems Dean relied too heavily on the angry student/youth vote. Not only did they not show up in numbers worth a shit, they actually went for Kerry! Lesson to be learned: pay no attention to pissed of whining college kids, they don't fucking vote anyway.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-01-20 12:30pm

I can't wait to see this Sunday's Doonesbury.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-01-20 12:43pm

Jane Galt has a list of quotes from her office on the Iowa caucus.

On Howard Dean's Speeach:

"Those clips just made him sound like a muppet."

(referencing the acres-long list of places enumerated by Mr Dean where his campaign was going to gloriously triumph)"What does this say? He's angry and he's got an atlas."

On John Edwards:

"Having to listen to him and George Bush compete in a Southern Jes'-folks-a-thon for nine months is my own personal vision of hell."

On John Kerry:

"I believe that his war record can cancel out the fact that John Kerry is from Massachussetts for voters in the south. But I don't believe it can cancel out his personality, which is pure Massachussetts. Outside of large urban areas, Massachussetts=Death."

On Dick Gephardt

"What can you say about Dick Gephardt? Poor bastard got whipped like a rented mule."

On Lieberman (who didn't compete):

"He's gonna get caned in New Hampshire."

Saddest moment from all the speeches:

Tom Harkin telling Dean supporters (I'm paraphrasing): "Iowa has a history of putting out a three candidate ticket. We're on that ticket."

Yeah, and I'm the best 6'2 female shortstop with asthma named "Jane" within twenty feet of my desk.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-20 01:35pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:seems Dean relied too heavily on the angry student/youth vote. Not only did they not show up in numbers worth a shit, they actually went for Kerry! Lesson to be learned: pay no attention to pissed of whining college kids, they don't fucking vote anyway.

Go fuck yourself, friend.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-20 01:44pm

Howedar wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:seems Dean relied too heavily on the angry student/youth vote. Not only did they not show up in numbers worth a shit, they actually went for Kerry! Lesson to be learned: pay no attention to pissed of whining college kids, they don't fucking vote anyway.
Go fuck yourself, friend.

sure, i'll go fuck myself. That, however, won't change the fact that my statement is 100% true.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-20 01:48pm

You take one caucaus in Iowa, then extrapolate it into a statement about every college student in America. Congratulations, you're an idiot.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-20 02:05pm

Howedar wrote:You take one caucaus in Iowa, then extrapolate it into a statement about every college student in America. Congratulations, you're an idiot.

no, decades of election data.

the 18-21 and 21-24 demographics have the lowest voter turnout, BY FAR of any other age group.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/agedemog.htm

so by not knowing the facts, you are indeed the idiot.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-01-20 02:42pm

Crackpot.... stop confusing the issue with facts....

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-20 02:58pm

Joe wrote:WOW, Dean got spanked. I wasn't expecting it to be that bad.

The democrats kind of turned it into a 4 on 1 race, so it kinda makes sense that Dean would lose, but I'm surprised it was that bad.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-20 03:08pm

Crackpot, if that data actually broke down college students versus people who didn't go past high school, you might actually have a case.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-20 03:14pm

The Kernel wrote:Crackpot, if that data actually broke down college students versus people who didn't go past high school, you might actually have a case.

Actually, College students vote in VERY small numbers:

that site wrote:College students claimed the dubious distinction of being the least represented demographic.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-20 03:31pm

The Kernel wrote:Crackpot, if that data actually broke down college students versus people who didn't go past high school, you might actually have a case.

no, were not talking about graduates. i pointed out that college age adults have consistantly had the lowest voter turnout rates, and if you read the data further you will find that those rates have been steadily decreasing since 1972.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-20 03:33pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
The Kernel wrote:Crackpot, if that data actually broke down college students versus people who didn't go past high school, you might actually have a case.
Actually, College students vote in VERY small numbers:

that site wrote:College students claimed the dubious distinction of being the least represented demographic.

*shrug* I didn't disbelieve what Crackpot was saying, I was just pointing out that if he wanted to make a case, he needed to provide data relevent to the point he was making.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-20 03:35pm

The Kernel wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
The Kernel wrote:Crackpot, if that data actually broke down college students versus people who didn't go past high school, you might actually have a case.
Actually, College students vote in VERY small numbers:

that site wrote:College students claimed the dubious distinction of being the least represented demographic.
*shrug* I didn't disbelieve what Crackpot was saying, I was just pointing out that if he wanted to make a case, he needed to provide data relevent to the point he was making.

whoa, don't backpedal too fast now.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-20 03:36pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
The Kernel wrote:Crackpot, if that data actually broke down college students versus people who didn't go past high school, you might actually have a case.
no, were not talking about graduates. i pointed out that college age adults have consistantly had the lowest voter turnout rates, and if you read the data further you will find that those rates have been steadily decreasing since 1972.

Crackpot, you are right, but your data doesn't support that. Although it does break the numbers down into age groups, it says nothing about whether they are in college. It could simply be that no person who didn't go to college votes before they are 30 (this isn't true, but it is a valid interpretation of the data) so you needed to provide evidence that it was college students not voting.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-20 03:37pm

Col. Crackpot wrote: whoa, don't backpedal too fast now.

Backpedal for telling you that your data didn't support your assertion? I knew you were right, I was just telling you that unless you had the right data to back it up, you weren't going to be able to prove that.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-20 04:03pm

The Kernel wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote: whoa, don't backpedal too fast now.
Backpedal for telling you that your data didn't support your assertion? I knew you were right, I was just telling you that unless you had the right data to back it up, you weren't going to be able to prove that.

assertation: college age adults don't vote

proof: statistical data for the past 40 years showing that, indeed, college age adults have the lowest voter turnout.

what else do you want?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-20 04:05pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
The Kernel wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote: whoa, don't backpedal too fast now.
Backpedal for telling you that your data didn't support your assertion? I knew you were right, I was just telling you that unless you had the right data to back it up, you weren't going to be able to prove that.
assertation: college age adults don't vote

proof: statistical data for the past 40 years showing that, indeed, college age adults have the lowest voter turnout.

what else do you want?

Your original statement: "pay no attention to pissed of whining college kids, they don't fucking vote anyway"

Nothing in there about age restrictions.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-20 04:13pm

The Kernel wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:
The Kernel wrote: Backpedal for telling you that your data didn't support your assertion? I knew you were right, I was just telling you that unless you had the right data to back it up, you weren't going to be able to prove that.
assertation: college age adults don't vote

proof: statistical data for the past 40 years showing that, indeed, college age adults have the lowest voter turnout.

what else do you want?
Your original statement: "pay no attention to pissed of whining college kids, they don't fucking vote anyway"

Nothing in there about age restrictions.

college kids. part of the 18-21 and 21-24 age demographics.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-20 04:16pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
college kids. part of the 18-21 and 21-24 age demographics.

So what? One could argue that there was another variable that made all of the non-college people in that age group fail to vote.