Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-03-08 02:18pm

Man, it's a good thing nobody from Venezuela is reading this. They'd be really pissed at some of the posters.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-03-08 02:29pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Man, it's a good thing nobody from Venezuela is reading this. They'd be really pissed at some of the posters.

I've talked to some people in Venezuela and they hate Chavez more than anyone on this board does.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-03-08 02:29pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Man, it's a good thing nobody from Venezuela is reading this. They'd be really pissed at some of the posters.

What would they say? During the attempted coup, I saw lots of pro and anti-Chavez people on the net debating it up.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-03-08 02:30pm

Hamel wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Man, it's a good thing nobody from Venezuela is reading this. They'd be really pissed at some of the posters.
What would they say? During the attempted coup, I saw lots of pro and anti-Chavez people on the net debating it up.

*From Venezuala

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-08 02:35pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Man, it's a good thing nobody from Venezuela is reading this. They'd be really pissed at some of the posters.

Actually, chances are they wouldn't. Public support for Chavez is 30-40 percent at best.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-08 02:39pm

Joe wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Man, it's a good thing nobody from Venezuela is reading this. They'd be really pissed at some of the posters.
Actually, chances are they wouldn't. Public support for Chavez is 30-40 percent at best.

May I ask what your source on this it?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-08 02:39pm

Fuck, it should be:

May I ask what your source on this IS?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-03-08 02:48pm

I was talking more about the "shithole" comments than whatever was said about that crazy fuck for a President they have.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-03-08 03:36pm

Glocksman wrote:IHMO, Hydrogen is the solution once a cheap and efficent way to separate it from water is found.

Nuclear power.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-03-08 03:39pm

Vympel wrote:
Alaska? Has enough oil to provide a tiny fraction of US energy need (and a truly miniscule part of world oil production); extremely minor supposedly.

There's four times as much oil locked up in US shale rock as there is in all of Saudi Arabia. That would last the US a considerabul time.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-03-08 03:40pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Vympel wrote:
Alaska? Has enough oil to provide a tiny fraction of US energy need (and a truly miniscule part of world oil production); extremely minor supposedly.
There's four times as much oil locked up in US shale rock as there is in all of Saudi Arabia. That would last the US a considerabul time.

Two questions:

Source?

How difficult is it to get it out of shale?

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2004-03-08 03:51pm

I thought that we get hardly any oil from the Middle East anyway?

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-03-08 03:57pm

SirNitram wrote

Two questions:

Source?

How difficult is it to get it out of shale?

Here Ya Go.....
http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/pub ... /shale.asp

United States Of America

It is estimated that nearly 62% of the world’s potentially recoverable oil shale resources are concentrated in the USA. The largest of the deposits is found in the 42 700 km2 Eocene Green River formation in north-western Colorado, north-eastern Utah and south-western Wyoming. The richest and most easily recoverable deposits are located in the Piceance Creek Basin in western Colorado and the Uinta Basin in eastern Utah. The shale oil can be extracted by surface and in-situ methods of retorting: depending upon the methods of mining and processing used, as much as one-third or more of this resource might be recoverable. There are also the Devonian-Mississippian black shales in the eastern United States.

Data reported for the present Survey indicate the vastness of US oil shale resources: the proved amount of shale in place is put at 3 340 billion tonnes, with a shale oil content of 242 billion tonnes, of which about 89% is located in the Green River deposits and 11% in the Devonian black shales. Recoverable reserves of shale oil are estimated to be within the range of 60-80 billion tonnes, with additional resources put at 62 billion tonnes.

and Yes it its.

All field operations have ceased and at the present time shale oil is not being produced in the USA. Large-scale commercial production of oil shale is not anticipated before the second or third decade of the 21st century.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-08 04:03pm

Iceberg wrote:we've got more than enough fuel to run the nation's entire road fleet sitting right here in the Midwest - Minnesota is one of the world's biggest producers of ethanol and biodiesel.

Whoa...*wipes tears*...you Heartlanders need to put down the moonshine and smell reality.

Ethanol and other biofuels are absurdly inefficient excuses to subsidize the corn industry in the U.S. Ethanol production from corn is a net-loss process.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2004-03-08 07:02pm

Chavez visited such odious regimes as those of Castro, Qadhaffi, and Saddam Hussein in recent memory - an open affront to the United States.

He's financed an ongoing guerilla war in Colombia against the legitimate government - with the complicity of his nation's armed forces.

His political backers shoot and beat opposition protestors in the streets. In April 2002, this took the form of using rifles to snipe demonstrators from buildings. These were civilian-on-civilian actions, mind you.

Chavez is the "new" Latin American strongman.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-03-08 08:13pm

At least Bush know's what he's doing to distract from his job performance if he's re-elected

AniThyng · Post by **AniThyng** » 2004-03-09 01:28am

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Man, it's a good thing nobody from Venezuela is reading this. They'd be really pissed at some of the posters.
I've talked to some people in Venezuela and they hate Chavez more than anyone on this board does.

ah, but do they hate him enough to desire thier country liberated by american force of arms?

[or alternatively, force of economic starva..er..sanctions]

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-03-09 02:57am

Axis Kast wrote:Chavez visited such odious regimes as those of Castro, Qadhaffi, and Saddam Hussein in recent memory - an open affront to the United States.

You forgot all the good things he's been saying about Zimbabwe recently.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-03-09 03:15am

To my mind a 'Stalinist' is a nothing more than a tyrant of the left whose willing to use murder and police state tactics to maintain his absolute power.

Sounds like Fidel Castro to me. :p

You can prove these accusations against Chavez, right?

(I'm loooongggg past buying accepted wisdom on anything coming out of South America- or anywhere, I guess)

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-03-09 03:39am

Vympel wrote:

To my mind a 'Stalinist' is a nothing more than a tyrant of the left whose willing to use murder and police state tactics to maintain his absolute power.

Sounds like Fidel Castro to me. :p
You can prove these accusations against Chavez, right?

(I'm loooongggg past buying accepted wisdom on anything coming out of South America- or anywhere, I guess)

Prove that Chavez admires Castro?

Well, here's an article

A radio station in the American state of Florida has played a practical joke on President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela with a hoax phone call he believed was from his friend and ally, the Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

As far as being a Stalinist goes, Chavez simply hasn't had the chance because he has never had the kind of power that Stalin (or Castro, for that matter) wielded.

IMHO, someone who admires Castro's Cuba is hardly a democrat.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-03-09 04:01am

I was just on the phone yesterday with my friend in Venezuela. Right now he says the unrest is basically only in Caracas but the general feeling he says is that everyone is pissed at Chavez and it really looks like Chavez is setting himself up as a despot or tyrant (aren't those the same things?).

Of course this is all anectodal, but he says if America were to invade Venezuela right now, half the country would probably actively rally behind the US.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-03-09 04:05am

Glocksman wrote:[

Prove that Chavez admires Castro?

No, I mean anything concrete about his record as President.

IMHO, someone who admires Castro's Cuba is hardly a democrat.

What interests me is that he's the elected President, and according to what I've read, the coup against him failed due to popular support from the poor. When concrete evidence of him being a tyrant comes out, that's when I'll make up my mind.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-09 04:23am

What interests me is that he's the elected President, and according to what I've read, the coup against him failed due to popular support from the poor. When concrete evidence of him being a tyrant comes out, that's when I'll make up my mind.

Well, he dissolved the Senate, rewrote the Constitution so he could be reelected, made it a crime to lie about the government (with the government, of course, deciding what constitutes a lie) with a clause in the Constitution, and just recently has arbitrarily decided that a democratic petition calling for a recall referendum is invalid.

He also signed a bill allowing the government to suspend all radio and television broadcasts when deemed necessary to the security interests of the blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda etc. Though to be fair, the Venezuelan Congress also passed the bill.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-09 04:26am

Incidentally, he also likes to lay down the religious bullshit in public; he claims Jesus would be a supporter of the Revolution.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-03-09 05:40am

Well, he dissolved the Senate, rewrote the Constitution so he could be reelected, made it a crime to lie about the government (with the government, of course, deciding what constitutes a lie)

Sources?

with a clause in the Constitution, and just recently has arbitrarily decided that a democratic petition calling for a recall referendum is invalid.

Hold on a minute. he decision that the recall petition was invalid was not an "arbitrary" one: reasons were given. I do read the news, and you're simply adopting the position of his opposition on this one.