This is your brain on drugs...

[kojikun]

Coke != crack...

The Crack = Coke.

[haas mark]

Coke != crack...

The Crack = Coke.

No, crack is used to make coke. They're not the same. Unless you mean something that I just don't get right now.

[LordShaithis]

Actually, the majority of crack users are white.

Well, the majority of Americans are white. I'd be curious to see how the stats stack up per capita.

[Xenophobe3691]

On behalf of art majors everywhere, I take considerable offense to that statement.

lol, some of my best friends are art majors. But I'm an aerospace engineering major. I'm already taking harder classes than they are, and we're all still doing Gen-Ed courses

[Rogue 9]

On behalf of art majors everywhere, I take considerable offense to that statement.

lol, some of my best friends are art majors. But I'm an aerospace engineering major. I'm already taking harder classes than they are, and we're all still doing Gen-Ed courses

I tested out of half my gen-ed and I'm a music major.

[RedImperator]

Coke != crack...

The Crack = Coke.

No, crack is used to make coke. They're not the same. Unless you mean something that I just don't get right now.

They are the same. They effect the same parts of the brain the same way, have the same molecular structure, have the same physiological effects, show up the same in a toxicology report, and have identical mechanisms of addiction. The only difference is the delivery system. Crack is cocaine deliberately mixed with impurities so a very small amount of cocaine can produce the same high as a much larger amount of powder coke. Smoking crack delivers cocaine to the brain much faster than snorting it, even faster than freebase.

The end result is that crack delivers a more intense, but much shorter, high, and only a relatively tiny amount of cocaine is necessary to do it, so the poor can afford it. That's why crack use is skewed so far towards the lower classes: it's not that the rich are any better with drugs, it's just that if you're rich, you do powder (and rehab instead of jail if you're caught, but again, that's a story for another day)..

[RedImperator]

Actually, the majority of crack users are white.

Well, the majority of Americans are white. I'd be curious to see how the stats stack up per capita.

It's something like a shade over 3% of black Americans do crack, while about 2.5% of whites do it. I don't have the exact figures on hand at the moment. It should be noted that a larger precentage of blacks in America are poor, and that probably explains the discrepancy (not that the maybe 3/4 of a percentage point matters all that much, especially since those percentages still translate to millions more white users).

[Col. Crackpot]

please excuse my lapse of reason. that comment i made was dumb, and i deserved far more flames than i got.

[h0rus]

[that moron] yo offica! muh damn bitch done smoked all muh crack! trick ass bitch done bounced outta' da hood wit' out suckin muy dick too! Damn, foo! I want some justice! Where can a playa get some justice, cracka! Where's muy nigga' Johnny Chochrane at? [/that moron]

since you seem to be a sultan for punishment.

here's my take on your comment in a slightly incendiary tone.

You racist cocksucking fucker, I hope you die and go to dog heaven where the small chihuahua will assrape you day and night!

[SylasGaunt]

Reminds me of a story I heard of around here where a bunch of druggie morons left their cocaine out in plain sight when they thought they were coming up on a toll booth.. unfortunately for them it wasn't a toll booth but rather one of the gates into Macdill Airforce Base

Found the story

You think more people would learn the lesson that drugs make you stupid from these stories..

[Durandal]

On behalf of art majors everywhere, I take considerable offense to that statement.

And on behalf of all those who are actually in challenging majors, good.

[Rogue 9]

On behalf of art majors everywhere, I take considerable offense to that statement.

And on behalf of all those who are actually in challenging majors, good.

Okay, you're so smart... *Hands you my double bass.* Think that's easy to play? I assure you, it isn't. You'd blister all your fingers inside five minutes. Don't start saying something's easy until you've tried it and determined that it is, in fact, easy. The skills involved are different than those required for engineering or medicine, but true mastery of an instrument is no less exacting and requires no less skill than either field.

[Keevan_Colton]

On behalf of art majors everywhere, I take considerable offense to that statement.

And on behalf of all those who are actually in challenging majors, good.

Okay, you're so smart... *Hands you my double bass.* Think that's easy to play? I assure you, it isn't. You'd blister all your fingers inside five minutes. Don't start saying something's easy until you've tried it and determined that it is, in fact, easy. The skills involved are different than those required for engineering or medicine, but true mastery of an instrument is no less exacting and requires no less skill than either field.

Of course, though playing a wrong note wont kill anyone like a careless number will in medecine or engineering.

Sciences are more exacting than Arts.

Science - Objective
Art - Subjective

This is coming from someone who is on a course that would be best termed as Arts.

[RedImperator]

And on behalf of all those who are actually in challenging majors, good.

Okay, you're so smart... *Hands you my double bass.* Think that's easy to play? I assure you, it isn't. You'd blister all your fingers inside five minutes. Don't start saying something's easy until you've tried it and determined that it is, in fact, easy. The skills involved are different than those required for engineering or medicine, but true mastery of an instrument is no less exacting and requires no less skill than either field.

Of course, though playing a wrong note wont kill anyone like a careless number will in medecine or engineering.

Sciences are more exacting than Arts.

Science - Objective
Art - Subjective

This is coming from someone who is on a course that would be best termed as Arts.

To be fair, I would say that music is more difficult than most other art majors. It's easier to bullshit Kant than it is Mozart. It's just that it's easier to bullshit Mozart than it is a suspension bridge.

[Durandal]

Okay, you're so smart... *Hands you my double bass.* Think that's easy to play? I assure you, it isn't. You'd blister all your fingers inside five minutes. Don't start saying something's easy until you've tried it and determined that it is, in fact, easy. The skills involved are different than those required for engineering or medicine, but true mastery of an instrument is no less exacting and requires no less skill than either field.

I beg to differ. Mastering a musical instrument is simply muscle memory, when all's said and done. With practice, you're virtually guaranteed to get better. This is not the case with science (or even a graphics design program). That's why dropout rates for physical science, math and computer science programs are far higher than the other majors. Those majors demand conceptual understanding and cognitive thinking.

This doesn't mean that it doesn't take years of practice to really get good at playing something, but that's all it takes: practice. If you don't understand calculus, all the practice in the world won't help you solve a differential equation. In terms of time, the demands may be similar, but you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that an art or music program is just as intellectually demanding as a physics, engineering, medicine or computer science.

[Alyrium Denryle]

A music major is a bit more than mastering an instrument. He has to learn music theory(how music "works") the histroy of music, among other things.

He has to be able to WRITE a song. and that is far more difficult than knowing how to play a song. He has to know how to construct an elaborate piece of are that has rythm(sp) meter and is pleasing to the ear. Then he has to excercise muscle memory.

Learning to play a single song is muscle memory. Learning how to write a symphony or make up a jazz song on the fly... that takes skill.

And while I am of the opinion that a science major is far more difficult. That does not belittle a person who majors in music.

[Alyrium Denryle]

though, I will conceed that sciences(even social sciences) are far mopre useful

Seeing as the arts major will in all likelyhood end up saying "would you like frys with that?" For no other reason than the difficulty in getting a steady job in their field.

[Montcalm]

Coke != crack...

The Crack = Coke.

No, crack is used to make coke. They're not the same. Unless you mean something that I just don't get right now.

I think its the contrary Coke is used to make Crack

[Rogue 9]

Seeing as the arts major will in all likelyhood end up saying "would you like frys with that?" For no other reason than the difficulty in getting a steady job in their field.

Not when you play bass. There is ever a shortage of bassists. Players of higher pitched instruments are a dime a dozen, though...

[haas mark]

They are the same. They effect the same parts of the brain the same way, have the same molecular structure, have the same physiological effects, show up the same in a toxicology report, and have identical mechanisms of addiction. The only difference is the delivery system. Crack is cocaine deliberately mixed with impurities so a very small amount of cocaine can produce the same high as a much larger amount of powder coke. Smoking crack delivers cocaine to the brain much faster than snorting it, even faster than freebase.

Although that's true, six years of DARE -shudders- taught us that crack is still not quite coke, though they are in the same drug family. I know it's called crack cocaine, but crack is still used to make coke.

[haas mark]

I think its the contrary Coke is used to make Crack

Freebase -> Crack -> Coke.

Crack is rocks, coke is powder.

[haas mark]

A music major is a bit more than mastering an instrument. He has to learn music theory(how music "works") the histroy of music, among other things.

You actually have to take two voice classes for an instrumental music ed major, at some colleges.

He has to be able to WRITE a song. and that is far more difficult than knowing how to play a song. He has to know how to construct an elaborate piece of are that has rythm(sp) meter and is pleasing to the ear. Then he has to excercise muscle memory.

Shwee! My talent!!

Learning to play a single song is muscle memory. Learning how to write a symphony or make up a jazz song on the fly... that takes skill.

Skill and talent. It takes skill in knowing how it will sound, but talent in knowing how it can please the ear. It doesn't take a genius to make a set of chords that sound ok (skill), but it does take a musically inclined individual in order to make those chords in such a way that it produces music. As opposed to someone highly musically inclined going into an engineering degree program and doing well (which is fairly common), you can't have someone have any clue what they're doing in a vice versa situation.

And while I am of the opinion that a science major is far more difficult. That does not belittle a person who majors in music.

It is in its own respective venue. Music takes more time (six years for a music ed major, maybe less for a strict music major), and is also very hands-on (playing, singing, composing, etc.). I hesitate to say it's more difficult or less difficult because the two venues hardly coincide.

[haas mark]

Seeing as the arts major will in all likelyhood end up saying "would you like frys with that?" For no other reason than the difficulty in getting a steady job in their field.

Not when you play bass. There is ever a shortage of bassists. Players of higher pitched instruments are a dime a dozen, though...

Even so, jobs in the performing arts are difficult to find, be they acting, musical, or otherwise. They just aren't there. Aly's more correct in that sense than you might think.

Who cares if you play bass? Anyone that can play a bass guitar can play bass, and vice versa. It's just a matter of being able to read notes and use a bow.

Society's losing its classical culture. How often do you hear of school's orchestras these days? Not often, because they hardly exist anymore. The parents just don't care about string instruments anymore, and so all the strings suffer, including the basses.

Trust me, I know this.. Been looking into a music ed degree for nine years now.

[Rogue 9]

Anyone that can play a bass guitar can play bass, and vice versa.

Wrong. Tried it once with some bass guitarists. Not one of them could handle the lack of frets.

[Howedar]

*snip*

I was in an aerospace engineering course this fall. 150 people. Roughly 10 will graduate. These are not dumb people, dumb people usually don't try to be fucking rocket scientists.