What Exactly Could We Do With No Inclome Tax?

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lower total money supply... which will lead to lower salaries and rising inflation...
Nitpick: Inflation is caused by to much money in circulation.

If a person puts money in a bank, the bank then invests 90% of that money, and the money supply is increased with production. The reason inflation happens is becauee either the reserve requirement is to low, or the FED prints more money than matches the value of what was actually produced. Or at least that is how I learned it in high school economics...
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The point is that this "national sales-tax only" plan both devalues money while simultaneously taking money out of circulation! I'd rather not crank the somewhat difficult equations required to calculate the results of such a tax, but intuitively it cannot be a good thing.
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Master of Ossus wrote:The point is that this "national sales-tax only" plan both devalues money while simultaneously taking money out of circulation! I'd rather not crank the somewhat difficult equations required to calculate the results of such a tax, but intuitively it cannot be a good thing.
Its not quite that simple - especially with a sales tax only (no income tax) any money coming in would go back out in the economy (heavily local - wages, etc) almost as quickly. It doesn't just disappear.

No one could crank out the equations - you would need to assume the government keeps on doing X, stops doing Y in the spending department (All policy decisions - read political - so unless the government is asking you, this is a guess). Based on that, determine the impact of the tax and spending changes to the economy. If you could predict the impact with any accuracy, you'd be in line for a Nobel prize
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I rarely post in here (or at all), but this thread piqued my interest.

Here's an actual national sales tax proposal from Fairtax.org. See how workable this is..
The FairTax is a consumption tax designed to replace the entire federal income tax system, including personal, payroll, corporate, self-employment, capital gains, gift, and inheritance taxes. The FairTax will allow Americans to keep 100% of their paychecks (minus any state income taxes), it will dramatically reduce pre-tax prices, and it will fully fund the Federal government, including Social Security and Medicare.

With the FairTax, you will get to take home 100% of your paycheck (minus any state income taxes). No federal income taxes or payroll taxes will be withheld from your paycheck, pension, or Social Security check.

Did you know that hidden income taxes currently make up 20% to 30% of all retail prices? It's true. According to Dr. Dale Jorgenson of Harvard, hidden income taxes are passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, from 20% to 30% higher than they would otherwise be for everything you buy.

Therefore, when the FairTax Act of 2001 abolishes the federal income tax system, prices will drop 20% to 30%. The proposed FairTax rate is 23%. So, instead of paying 15.3% of your paycheck in payroll taxes, plus an average of 18% of your paycheck in federal income tax, for a total of about 33% of your paycheck going to the federal government in Washington, you pay only a 23% consumption tax each time you purchase a new good or service for your own personal consumption above the federal poverty level.

At this 23% rate, the FairTax will pay for all current government operations, including Social Security and Medicare. With a consumption tax like the FairTax, government revenues will be even more stable than they are now because consumption tends to be more constant than income.

With the FairTax, if you choose to buy any new good or service for yourself, a consumption tax of 23%, will be added into the price. If you choose to buy used goods -- used car, used home, used clothing -- you do not pay the FairTax. If, as a business owner, you buy something for strictly business purposes (not for personal consumption), you pay no consumption tax. So, in deciding what to buy, you get to choose whether or not you will pay the federal consumption tax.

Perhaps most importantly, to ensure that no American will pay tax on necessities, the FairTax plan provides a prepaid, monthly rebate for every registered household to cover the 23% consumption tax spent on necessities up to the federal poverty level. This is how the FairTax completely untaxes the poor, and lowers the tax burden on everyone else. Can you see how much freer life will be with the FairTax instead of the income tax?
Granted. This is a little gassed up, but instead of debating arbitrary figures, I figured we might as well discuss the actual sales tax plan proposed to Congress (H.R. 25 I think).
Here's text of H.R. 25 if you want to read the actual bill.
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