Alyeska wrote:Invading Iran is the worst possible option. Right now the people of Iran are demanding reforms and their prime minister is also pushing for them heavily. The Iranian religious leaders are not in the same position of power they used to be.
Invading Iran would do nothing more then bring the people to the same side as the religious leaders and you would completely fail at your intended goal. Iran wants to pull itself out of the dark ages. You try and do it for them and they will jump right back in to spite you.
-gestures- certainly. invasion would be my preferred last option.
but a govt change is absolutely necessary. encourage the reforms.
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AniThyng wrote:oh right - because, yes, all those ordinary iranians deserve to die as well, even though all they did in thier life was earn a living and support a family.
And what would you have us do? Invade to liberate the Iranian people,
and lose thousands more of soldiers, or a simple preemptive first strike
that requires us to put only a few dozen aircrew at risk?
although, one must admit, nukes tend not to leave people we can trade with afterwards.
capitalist ameirca kind of likes that, ya know.
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Alyeska wrote:Invading Iran is the worst possible option. Right now the people of Iran are demanding reforms and their prime minister is also pushing for them heavily. The Iranian religious leaders are not in the same position of power they used to be.
Invading Iran would do nothing more then bring the people to the same side as the religious leaders and you would completely fail at your intended goal. Iran wants to pull itself out of the dark ages. You try and do it for them and they will jump right back in to spite you.
-gestures- certainly. invasion would be my preferred last option.
but a govt change is absolutely necessary. encourage the reforms.
An invassion is WORSE then what is currently going on. It should not be an option at all. The government needs to change. Its changing and we need to give Iran support in that regard, not role 1st Armored into Terhan.
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Enforcer Talen wrote:capitalist ameirca kind of likes that, ya know.
Capitalist America likes efficiency. Nukes are cheap, as opposed to
billions of dollars spent reconstructing a country, instead of millions of
dollars spent flying thousands of combat missions a night, just send
a few bombers one night, and that's all she wrote.
Nukes are the perfect solution for today's overstretched US Military.
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Enforcer Talen wrote:capitalist ameirca kind of likes that, ya know.
Capitalist America likes efficiency. Nukes are cheap, as opposed to
billions of dollars spent reconstructing a country, instead of millions of
dollars spent flying thousands of combat missions a night, just send
a few bombers one night, and that's all she wrote.
Nukes are the perfect solution for today's overstretched US Military.
Democratic and squeamish America very much dislikes Nukes and would lynch you if you launched one.
"If the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. If the law is on your side, pound on the law. If neither is on your side, pound on the table."
"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
Alyeska wrote:Democratic and squeamish America very much dislikes Nukes and would lynch you if you launched one.
Democratic and squeamish america had no qualms about incinerating 100,000 Japanese in a single night.
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
Alyeska wrote:Democratic and squeamish America very much dislikes Nukes and would lynch you if you launched one.
Democratic and squeamish america had no qualms about incinerating 100,000 Japanese in a single night.
Slightly different situation at the time.
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"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
Enforcer Talen wrote:capitalist ameirca kind of likes that, ya know.
Capitalist America likes efficiency. Nukes are cheap, as opposed to billions of dollars spent reconstructing a country, instead of millions of dollars spent flying thousands of combat missions a night, just send a few bombers one night, and that's all she wrote.
Nukes are the perfect solution for today's overstretched US Military.
I agree. After we're done with the Muslims, we should nuke your state, along with every other Southern state to solve the problem of Christian fundamentalism.
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Enforcer Talen wrote:capitalist ameirca kind of likes that, ya know.
Capitalist America likes efficiency. Nukes are cheap, as opposed to billions of dollars spent reconstructing a country, instead of millions of dollars spent flying thousands of combat missions a night, just send a few bombers one night, and that's all she wrote.
Nukes are the perfect solution for today's overstretched US Military.
I agree. After we're done with the Muslims, we should nuke your state, along with every other Southern state to solve the problem of Christian fundamentalism.
Christian fundamentalism doesn't behead girls for sassing a judge, nor does it crash airplanes into crowded skyscrapers, just to name a few things. Not that I support Shep's position, just pointing that out.
Rogue 9 wrote:
Christian fundamentalism doesn't behead girls for sassing a judge, nor does it crash airplanes into crowded skyscrapers, just to name a few things.
The things that Christian fundamentalists WOULD do, if in the same position of power as the Muslim fundamentalists...
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Rogue 9 wrote:
Christian fundamentalism doesn't behead girls for sassing a judge, nor does it crash airplanes into crowded skyscrapers, just to name a few things.
The things that Christian fundamentalists WOULD do, if in the same position of power as the Muslim fundamentalists...
Such as...
Wow, you can make an amazing open-ended statement.
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So, we nuke the general vicinity of fundies just because of what you think they might do if they ever reached a state that they will never be in. Congratulations.
Rogue 9 wrote:So, we nuke the general vicinity of fundies just because of what you think they might do if they ever reached a state that they will never be in. Congratulations.
No dumb-ass, we do it because they've had a history of doing such things when they had that kind of power and because they've shown an active interest in regaining it. Thus, this is a purely preventative measure, fully in-line with Bush Doctrine of Preemption.
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Durandal wrote:Thus, this is a purely preventative measure, fully in-line with Bush Doctrine of Preemption.
Ah yes, we all know about John Aschroft and his sordid history
as the LORD HIGH EXECUTIONER in Missouri before he came
to Washington.
yes, indeed, he hung 10,000 heretics in a single day, and wiped an
entire enclave of godless heathens who worshipped their moon god
off the face of the earth with armored bulldozers in the Massacre
of '98.
What, this is all in the history books! Go Look it up!
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DPDarkPrimus wrote:Yes, I know it should be "hung". I just noticed that, and am glad no one called me on it.
I thought you used hanged for people, and hung for objects?
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This is a place the refuses to recognize joint-citizenship, and actually found a way to Piss Off Canada of all countries. Just ask Mike, we are fairly laid back around here, but still they found a way.
Yes, there treatment of woman, and there idea of justice, by most civilized standards, is deplorable, disgusting, barbaric and worthy of contempt.
Yes, most of the world would like to see them change.
However, what are our options?
Arm rebels/freedom fighters?
I think the US and the world has learned there lessons about that. Osma Bin Laden was a fighter in Afganistan against the USSR. They armed him, and he stabbed them in the back.
Interdict the country?
Like everyone in the world would follow that. Hell, Iran itself admits it's borders are very porious and difficult to patrol. (Hell, sometimes it seems
like a boast)
Invade?
Bad, Bad idea. For every Iranian you kill, you'll have 100 more turn against the invaders and join the fight. That would unite the nation, and unfortunately, the people they'd be behind are the Islamic-fascist fundies
Economic Sanctions?
Nearly as bad as invading
Condem the executions/this kind of behaviour?
More fuel for the fire. It will piss of the nut-jobs and make them look like heroes standing up to the oppresive west.
Carpet Bombing?
See invade
Nuclear Weapons?
I agree, that would solve the problem, but at the cost of who knows how many innocent lives. For every 'nut job' iranian like the ones responsible for the messs above, there is probably at least 1 innocent/good one. You want that many innocent dead?
And to piss off the Muslim world that much?
The problem here is the Fundies have the power, and the army to back them up. Everything is structured to keep the fundies in power, and they are not going to give it up without a fight.
The only options I can see are
Convincing Iran instead of executing these people, to just send them to the US or somewhere else. Kick them out of there paradise.
Convincing everyone else to ignore Iran compeltely?
Difficult, to impossible. You know someone will talk with them just to spite the UN/Americans, and someone will talk to the spiters cause they never upset them.
The best bet is to do something like the US has with Cuba.
Anyone that makes it off of Cuba and all the way onto US soil is an automatic refuge.
In this case
anyone that makes it out of Iran to an US military base/allied base gets refuge status in the US. And send out covert patrols (witih non-lethal rounds to try to deter anyone trying to stop someone from leaving, followed by live ammo) to help escort them in
Let the ones that don't want to stay in Iran leave, let the fundies stay and have there 'justice'.
Either that, or start assasinating the Hardlinerss and framing other hardliners for it.
Beyond that, I have no idea what to do with our current levels of technology.
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It's so when they comment on or approve of something, I know what pages to block/what not to vote for.
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Yes, I know it should be "hung". I just noticed that, and am glad no one called me on it.
Actually, hanged is technically more correct even though most Americans have come to use hung to the point that it's probably used more often than hanged.
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Yes, I know it should be "hung". I just noticed that, and am glad no one called me on it.
I thought you used hanged for people, and hung for objects?
Hung is when something is hung. Like "the lamp is hung" or "I have a big cock, I am hung". Hanged is when you're doing the hanging, then she is being hanged. You are hanging her, therefore, she was hanged. Hitherto, after a while, she is merely hung. Ipso facto. Habeas corpus.
Enforcer Talen wrote:capitalist ameirca kind of likes that, ya know.
Capitalist America likes efficiency. Nukes are cheap, as opposed to
billions of dollars spent reconstructing a country, instead of millions of
dollars spent flying thousands of combat missions a night, just send
a few bombers one night, and that's all she wrote.
Nukes are the perfect solution for today's overstretched US Military.
Democratic and squeamish America very much dislikes Nukes and would lynch you if you launched one.
So... we can get rid of Iran AND lynch Bush? I'll take that deal!
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Solauren wrote:Yes, there treatment of woman, and there idea of justice, by most civilized standards, is deplorable, disgusting, barbaric and worthy of contempt.
I have always been a big fan of the viewpoint that truth is in the eye of the beholder. You say it yourself: "by civilized standards." The Native Americans (or whatever the PC term is these days) were viewed as barbaric and hideous "by civilized standards." It was seen as a great cause to come and kill the dissenters and convert them all to Christianity. We now see this noble crusade as the destruction of a culture.
Im not saying that they are right. Im just saying that we, as Americans outside the culture, have no right to say whether their actions are right or wrong, no matter how black-and-white we see this situation. The impetus for change must come from within. Not just to keep a morally clean slate for us, but also to keep us from being a target. That is why the terrorists hate us; you guys know that, right? They see us as being agressive towards their establishment, their way of life. And they are right.
They executed a fucking 16 year old girl because she had a "sharp tongue". Give me a gun and that judge, I'd pull the fucking trigger myself. The Iranian government and judicial system is inferior to the West, and it *is* barbaric.
See?
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It's too bad we can't tie you to the first device we'll drop over Tehran.
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Durandal wrote:I agree. After we're done with the Muslims, we should nuke your state, along with every other Southern state to solve the problem of Christian fundamentalism.
Yes, because we all know that the Christian fundie problem is so bad
that people who visit pornography stores are being publically beheaded,
strangled to death over a space of 20 minutes, or have had a wall knocked
over on them by a tank, and that LORD HIGH EXECUTIONER ASHCROFT
has proceeded to cleanse Georgia of the Heathen Brethren by executing
40,000 atheists.
Or that we have bloodthirsty Christian Fundie mobs that routinely fill the
streets of Rockville, Maryland, demanding that the blood of the infidel
fill the street, IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. Yeah, all of
this is being suppressed by the evil FUNDIE CONTROLLED MEDIA! Thanks
for getting the truth out about this HORRIFIC human rights abuse story!
*sniff*
We all owe you one, Durandal.
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
And of course, those Amish are just shifty christian fundies, We all know
that they like to run into crowded shopping malls, randomly shooting people with flintlock muskets and stabbing them with the bayonets on those dangerous assault-type weapons.
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
Enforcer Talen wrote:capitalist ameirca kind of likes that, ya know.
Capitalist America likes efficiency. Nukes are cheap, as opposed to billions of dollars spent reconstructing a country, instead of millions of dollars spent flying thousands of combat missions a night, just send a few bombers one night, and that's all she wrote.
Nukes are the perfect solution for today's overstretched US Military.
I agree. After we're done with the Muslims, we should nuke your state, along with every other Southern state to solve the problem of Christian fundamentalism.
Point of Order, Maryland is not a Southern State, and was a part of the Union during the Civil War.
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