Joe wrote:
Alright, if you want to continue equating drug use to pornography, you first must explain how watching or owning pornographic materials that involve consenting adults is as harmful of an activity as drug use is.
I never said it was as harmful, you assumed I did. I merely raised the point about drugs so I could ask the question why not have
total freedom, why only a partial freedom?
salm wrote:
yup. the ban on drugs is wrong. people who want to take drugs and do so in a responsible way (read: dont hurt others) should have every right to do so.
So by 'responsible way' you mean if they don't hurt others right?
So do you believe that it is ok to take drugs even if it leads to your death, as long as no one else pays or suffers for your own personal drug usage?
If your answer is no, then why do you feel that you or the government has any right to tell a free individual what he can or cannot do with his own life? And how would you punish those that do use drugs?
If your answer is yes, then let me ask you the following question. If you had a neighbour living opposite your house, and he was a drug user who you knew was taking drugs for many months, would you help the man if he over-doesed and collapsed in front of his house? Would you leave him where he was and allow him to die and be happy that the man was free to do as he wished? Or would you pick him up or call an ambulance?
salm wrote:
13 year old are not mature enough. they shouldn´t be allowed to do drugs. just like they shouldn´t be allowed to drive cars.
and
if a 18 year old girl is allowed to get a drivers licence is it then also allowed for a 9 year old girl to get a drivers licence?
where there are two completely different reasons, you have oddly merged them into one. A 13 year old is old enough to physically take drugs and many do. However, a 13 year old is generally not as good a driver as an 18 year old hence would be a road hazard. Thats why they do not have drivers licenses.
Rye wrote:
There's no dilemma between being in a sexual relationship and enjoying porn. You're saying that if you still enjoy porn and are married, you should throw the marriage away to bone some chicks?
If you are married, then you have commited yourself to one women. That is the whole point of marriage, it is a confirmation between two adults that they want to solidify their bond and that they love each other and only have eyes for each other. If that were not the case then the couple would move on and try again with other adults.
Let me put it this way. Let us assume you are in a restaurant and you picked your dish for the main course, lets say a steak with all the trimmings, and when it arrives you tuck in and at first you think it is the best food you have ever eaten. Now, you begin to eat some more, you chew on, and now you have grown accustomed to its taste. Now you begin to turn your head and look around at what others are eating, you see another dish being carried by the waiter, its a cheap greasy burger and chips. Now you begin to look at that dish and crave for a burger and for that moment you do not even think about the delicious steak meal in front of you. Tell me this, what was the point in getting the steak if you were not truly sure that you wanted it? Why even bother to look at other dishes now that you have ordered and paid for your steak? You have tucked into the meal and therefore cannot return it and ask for the burger. You ordered the steak so eat it, be happy, and forget about the other meals even if they do seem tastier. You cannot look at burger meal and somehow fantasise that your steak will taste like the meal your looking at, can you?
Rye Wrote:
Doesn't hurt anyone.
So if you had the money, and the access to a prostitute are you admitting you would ask for her/his services? Tell the rest of us, YES or NO. (Lets assume STDs and money are not a worry)
Darth Wong Wrote:
I love it when anti-porn imbeciles immediately equate porn to pedophilia, drugs, or other harmful activities when challenged to support their knee-jerk reactionary thinking.
The Legend Rado Tharadus wrote:
I only bring it up because I want to see how you justify one but not the other.
I don't have to justify it, moron. You're the one saying that people should be THROWN IN PRISON for it, therefore YOU bear the burden of proof to show why it's so bad.
Fistly, I made no comment on what sort of punishment should be handed down. My initial comment was in response to the title "China cracks down on porn" not "China punishes the porn kings by 'THROWING THEM IN PRISON' "
Now that I have sorted that misunderstanding out, I do not 'bear the burden of proof' to show why it is so bad, so answer my question.
Darth Wong wrote:
Nonconsensual sex is a form of harm. A child cannot give consent. This is not rocket science.
Darth Zod wrote:
adult women can give consent, children cannot. that is the key separating factor that makes one acceptable while the other isn't
This is for you and the other people who gave similar comments.
So let me see what it is you don't find moraly correct with child porn.
Firstly you raise the issue that children are young and innocent and therefore cannot make this grown up decision by themselves, yes. Now, lets look at the other side of the coin. What do you think about the men who view these images from the comfort of their own homes. Men who have not paid for the images, and who have not given any encouragment to any other people to obtain these images for them. Ie no harm was done to any children by his viewing of some free pictures. Would you consider such a grown man who looks at child porn (and who does not physically go out and harm children) as morally right or wrong?
If you have given your answer and have repeated something about how the child is harmed, then answer this.
With todays modern technology we are able to digitaly construct fake pictures which may look like real photographs, but that have been completely fabricated from scratch. Let us assume that a highly skilled individual has fabricated some fake pictures that depict children in the nude, and children who perform sexual acts. Do you find anything wrong with an adult who takes pleasure from these images and who is aroused by these images? Is his act of looking at child porn wrong in this case where no child was harmed or abused in the making of the pictures? Give me your point of view.
How can you assume that someone actually lusts for women just because he enjoys watching videos of them having sex?
Oh and here I was thinking that the whole point of a porno movie was to arouse the viewer and thus have the viewer lust for the pornstar or a body part of the pornstar.
Please give me your interpretation of how a porno movie is supposed to be viewed and what sort of feelings you have during the movie? Give me the reasons why you watch them. And tell me whether you would watch a porno, for your arousal, that had some sort of 'ugly' lady in it. By ugly I mean realy unpleasant in YOUR eyes.
If you are going to say the movie is for your education ie to ''improve'' your sex life with the one women that you have eyes for, then why dont you look at some poorly drawn pictures in a sex book?
And another question. If you were having a romantic walk with your wife in the park and she spotted another man who she might have found attractive, would you mind if she stared at him intensely while holding your hand at the same time? Or would you simply think it is healthy for couples to look at others? Would that be ok given that you already look at other people on porno movies?
I wouldn't touch the average pornstar with a ten foot pole while wearing a fucking biohazard suit, you idiot.
And yet you are happy to look at the average pornstar strip and have sex for your money?
My "need" for what, exactly? What do you think it is that I "need" when I watch porn?
Let me put it this way. When someone eats, it is because of a need to end hunger. When someone watches a comedy, it because of a need for laughter and for entertainment. If someone watches a porno, it is because they need to satisfy some sexual desire. Why else would you watch a porno? Because of a need for a lesson in social skills?
Killing is bad. Sex is good. This is not a difficult concept for people who aren't imbeciles such as yourself.
You have given your opinion on killing and on sex but that is not answering my question, so please do so. YES or NO, and why?
If you say movies are just acting and therefore harmless. Then answer this. Would you find watching a women get badly raped on a movie offensive or not, even though it was acting?
Darth Wong wrote:
If it's done seriously, yes. It's offensive and disturbing.
Why? Do you also find violent films offensive?
What about them is NOT different, moron? Are you seriously arguing that there is NO DISTINCTION between watching two people have sex and hiring a prostitute in order to cheat on your wife?
So if you pay to watch a pornstar on the tv that is ok. But if you pay the very same pornstar to come and perform for you just as she did in the porno you settled down in front of the tv to watch then that is not ok? Whats the difference between seeing her image on tv and seeing her image for real? I'm not suggesting that you physically touch her, but do exactly what you would do if she was on tv.
And about your two lovely kids. Let me ask you this. Would you be happy if they grew up to become porn stars?
No. I wouldn't be happy if they grew up to become Jehovah's Witnesses either. What's your point? That anything you wouldn't want your child to do should be outlawed and punishable with imprisonment?
Why would you not be happy if they became pornstars? And don't say because you want them to be something else like doctors or something. If they were going to make more money out of a porno carrier than anything else what would you say to them to try and disuade them from becoming porn stars?
It annoys me because I'm not in on this decision and she's my wife, you idiot
But the two are consenting adults. How would this affect YOU in ANY way? You seem to be playing down the significance of watching porn, so why is this so significant to you that the man should not look at your wife in this situation?
do you think that anything which might annoy someone's parents or husband should be criminalized and punished with prison time?
No, I don't.
I have no doubt that you wish to see my logic, since it is quite obvious that you have never encountered logic before
False, but do tell me yours.
So you figure you can get away with making your opponent's motives and personality a subject of debate and then proactively telling him not to insult you? Sorry bub, it doesn't work that way.
Oh yes it does. Where have I used foul language? Am I not being polite? Is not the point of this discussion to understnd each others points of view? My motives and personality are in the subject of debate just as yours are. And yet I haven't lashed out at you. There is your example. How does throwing in insults and other irrelevant emotional outburts help in any way? Can you not get you point across without adding things like this:
'anti-porn imbeciles' ... 'moron'...'fucking biohazard suit, you idiot'...'who aren't imbeciles such as yoursel'...'moron'...'you idiot'... and it goes on and on.
Teenagers who know no better speak this way, so why do you?
Politeness is less important than logic
True, but what I say in return is that insults are completely irrelevant. They merely show your anger in an offensive way. If you are trying to be offensive then please just tell me right now. Swear your mouth off and see if it helps. Then lets continue with the discussion.
Darth Zod wrote:
fallacy after fallacy i see. cheating in a relationship does not involve the consent of all present. try again fucktard.
So you consider looking at another person as cheating? If you allowed (for money) a lady to watch you bath every time you entered the shower each morning, then YOU would be having a sexual relation with that person? And if you were married, then you would be cheating on your wife? So do you consider the porn star to be the ultimate cheater? Afterall many married men watch porn stars as they shower.
So in this example you would consider Darth Wongs wife to be a cheat if she were hyperthetically willing to take the mans offer up (i'm not suggesting that she would)?
contrary to popular puritanical thinking, thinking about other women is not actually cheating or betraying your SO in any actual fashion. thought is not action.
So let me get this straight. If a grown 55 year old man were to think and fantasise about a 7 year old child (maybe YOUR children if you have any) in a sexual context, then that is ok by you? What if he was your neighbour and you knew he was looking and fantasising about your kids? you seriously think that is A-OK because 'thought is not action'?
What if this same man were to talk to others about his child fantasy? Is that ok by you too?
Let me say that thought does matter, for the simple reason that thought
leads to action. You think therefore you act. You cannot act without thinking, otherwise we would not be alive.
Sorry this reply took so long, I did start it in the morning but I was called away until now.
Masturbation to a video designed for that does not mean you want to fuck people other than your wife, this is just the same false dilemma you've been repeating for a while now.