so, who's emigrating?

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-03 10:17am

Just like last time. Fucking useless monkies seem determined to lose at all costs. Cardboard doesn't sell, assholes.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2004-11-03 11:09am

Hotfoot basically summed it up for me. This is a little farfetched IMO to move because you don't like the President. Big deal, I don't like some of the politicians in my state, but I'm not packing up and moving because of them.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-11-03 11:15am

No immediate plans here, but yea, if someone offered to pay my relocation costs, I don't think I'd be as against going. Sorry to all those who screech it's a 'temper tantrum', but as someone whose got a legitimate fear of some of the administration, I don't really feel much holding me in place.

Utah Jak · Post by **Utah Jak** » 2004-11-03 11:40am

Hotfoot is right. If you want a Democrat president, start up a grassroots organization. Organize. Quit Bitching and work towards electing a canidate who you agree with.

Melkor · Post by **Melkor** » 2004-11-03 11:45am

I surprised myself and decided to vote Kerry. Still, to everyone who wants to leave: For fucks sake get over it. America is still gonna be America regardless of which bottom feeder we chose to live in the White House.

Melkor · Post by **Melkor** » 2004-11-03 11:54am

LadyTevar wrote:I find it amusing WV voted straight Democrat for Governor, and damn near straight Republican for president.

I do NOT want to spend another four years watching Nitram fail to find a good job in this state. The only thing keeping me from leaving is money.

What, a Kerry victory would have meant jobs magically springing out of the ground in WV?

Which reminds me of something from work:

I'm a tech in a one hour photo lab and we send alot of our film out to Kodak for higher quality processing. Kodak isn't doing to well lately and has been closing lots of their labs including one that was practically next door for 30 years. So of course a customer mentions it one day and says how sad it is and then asks me if I'm old enough to vote. "Oh God" I think, "she's not gonna say what I think she's going to say, is she?" Sure enough when I said yeah, her response is, "good then you know who to vote for right? They had been there 28 years"

Never mind that people are using more and more digital cameras and less 35mm. No, the blame must fall on everyone's favorite anti-christ. Once again, for fucks sake.

Sharpshooter · Post by **Sharpshooter** » 2004-11-03 12:05pm

No immediate plans here, but yea, if someone offered to pay my relocation costs, I don't think I'd be as against going. Sorry to all those who screech it's a 'temper tantrum', but as someone whose got a legitimate fear of some of the administration, I don't really feel much holding me in place.

Same. Were it not for a lack of assets and my current situation, I'd be more than tempted to skip the country in favor of Australia or Britain - as it stands now, though, I've little choice but to weather the storm that's going to be the next two years of my life.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-11-03 12:07pm

SirNitram wrote:No immediate plans here, but yea, if someone offered to pay my relocation costs, I don't think I'd be as against going. Sorry to all those who screech it's a 'temper tantrum', but as someone whose got a legitimate fear of some of the administration, I don't really feel much holding me in place.

If you have a legit fear other than "oh noes, teh ebil bushman is still teh president!!" well and good. However, I have to wonder what you specifically have to fear. You cannot be drafted to fight and die in Iraq. You are not being thrown in jail. If you leave now, you can't earn your citizenship (which I do believe you don't have yet, though please correct me if I am wrong), you won't be able to vote, and you certainly won't be able to help campaigns that would benefit you in the future. For the record, I voted for Kerry, and I still say that curling up into a fetal position and bitching isn't going to accomplish shit. Politics doesn't end on election day. Get out, tallk TO people, not down to them. If you have a legit fear that warrants you fleeing the country, good luck and I wish you well. Otherwise, quit your bitching and play the hand life deals.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-11-03 12:12pm

Take your whining to DU and leave with the rest of them... Christ... YOu ran the wrong candidate and a fucking horrible campaign...

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-11-03 12:59pm

LadyTevar wrote:I find it amusing WV voted straight Democrat for Governor, and damn near straight Republican for president.

I do NOT want to spend another four years watching Nitram fail to find a good job in this state. The only thing keeping me from leaving is money.

I've got news for you, jobs leaving West Virginia has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats and everything to do with the fact that that West Virginia is a rural backwoods land filled with uneducated unskilled workers. You and Nitram seem smart enough to realize that and smart enough to land on your feet wherever you move.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-11-03 02:00pm

Hey, I'm REALLY thinking about it. The INS won't process my wife's paperwork, so she's stuck in Japan. I've been wifeless for over 3 months now. To most countries, she's considered to be a skilled worker (accountant) and we can easily move. I have no health or dental insurance, and I'm basically waiting on a correctional officer job for the state.

If they don't approve my wife by Feb or March, I'll start the ball rolling to move to Canada. My wife even gets skilled worker points.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-11-03 02:12pm

Any tips on moving there from the US would be appreciated.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-11-03 02:15pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:I find it amusing WV voted straight Democrat for Governor, and damn near straight Republican for president.

I do NOT want to spend another four years watching Nitram fail to find a good job in this state. The only thing keeping me from leaving is money.

I've got news for you, jobs leaving West Virginia has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats and everything to do with the fact that that West Virginia is a rural backwoods land filled with uneducated unskilled workers. You and Nitram seem smart enough to realize that and smart enough to land on your feet wherever you move.

"uneducated unskilled workers"?

You mean like the 500 Dupont workers laid off at their Tech Center? The ones that were inventing new uses for Dupont products and making some of the best wages in the state?
Do you know why they don't have jobs anymore? OUTSOURCING

Shall I go into the Computer Tech company that left just last year? Shall I mention how ten different manufactoring businesses have either laid off most of their employees, or gone out of business entirely? One scrap metal business even told the newspapers that the steel tarriffs killed them!

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-11-03 02:16pm

Hotfoot wrote:To anyone who is thinking of emigrating because of the recent election:

sorry sweetie, but the most fundy president we've ever had who loves his police states, thinks god talks to him, and wants t orewrite the constitution with a bible, *while* declaring war on all the heathens cuz they tried to kill his dad -

kinda makes me nervous.

its not just bush, its the massive hordes that went out and voted for him. that both the electoral college and the popular vote think he's god terrifies me. I consider him the worse, most incompetent, and most anti constitution politician I know of in the states. its horrendous. and that a majority not only thinks thats ok, but thinks he's doing great, it horrifies me.

if we have 11 states opposing base human rights, people voting for a man cause they share the same imaginary friend, and blind support for a war with no real reason to exist -

its not quite for me.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-11-03 02:34pm

its not just bush, its the massive hordes that went out and voted for him. that both the electoral college and the popular vote think he's god terrifies me. I consider him the worse, most incompetent, and most anti constitution politician I know of in the states. its horrendous. and that a majority not only thinks thats ok, but thinks he's doing great, it horrifies me.

For me, that's kind of just the last straw.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-03 02:44pm

Hotfoot wrote:To anyone who is thinking of emigrating because of the recent election:

Fuck you. Fuck you sideways with a fucking chainsaw, you pussies.

Blow me, shithead.

Boo hoo, you didn't get what you wanted, so now you want to run away? Grow up.

What precisely is wrong with deciding that you would rather move someplace where you would be happier, fucktard? For a person from a country that prides itself on "freedom", you don't seem to think much of it.

There is nothing wrong with pursuing happiness in this world, and no one is obligated to go on one-man crusades to change people that won't be changed. So please take your holier-than-thou delusions and shove them up your well-greased asshole.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-11-03 02:48pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:To anyone who is thinking of emigrating because of the recent election:
sorry sweetie, but the most fundy president we've ever had who loves his police states, thinks god talks to him, and wants t orewrite the constitution with a bible, *while* declaring war on all the heathens cuz they tried to kill his dad -

kinda makes me nervous.

Good. Be nervous. Be terrified. Now ask yourself how do you make it change for the better by throwing in the towel and leaving, exactly? How do you make this world better by giving up? How do you send a message that you are not happy with the way things are and that you will work to change them if you let yourself become overwhelmed by fear?

Instead of villifying the people who voted for Bush, try to see why they did. Move beyond the easy stereotypes of "they are idiots", and find the real problem, whatever it may be, and work to fix it.

It will be hard, but it's the right thing to do. It may take decades, but it will be worth it. There is no quick fix to the woes of America, they would be here today if Kerry had won or not. All is not lost. America will not likely be destroyed under Bush's second term. There may well be some hard times, but we can still survive and emerge relatively unscathed.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-03 02:48pm

It's not as if we didn't try to change the status quo. Kerry just didn't cut it in the end, our loss. I've often thought emigrating would be nice, to go somewhere where I can live a less stressful life after earning some decent cash, I'll bet a fair few plan that as a retirement option.

I sympathise with the Americans that feel obligated to leave their own nation because the current administration and its ideals are infecting too wide an area.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-11-03 03:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:Blow me, shithead.

Hey, I voted, and my canidate lost. I'm just sick of this reactionary "Oh no, we lost, run away" bullshit. It was stupid in 2000, it was stupid in 1996, and it's stupid now. It amounts to so much whining and bleating and it accomplishes nothing except creating a defeatist atmosphere and further discouraging people from getting involved.

What precisely is wrong with deciding that you would rather move someplace where you would be happier, fucktard? For a person from a country that prides itself on "freedom", you don't seem to think much of it.

For people to get so involved in an effort to change this nation for the better, then to turn around and suggest running away when an election doesn't go their way isn't quite the same as going, "well gee Maude, maybe we should move to Canada, I hear they have better jobs and health care up there, and the people are so very nice." If people are serious about changing things, they simply cannot pack their bags and move. That's what I'm talking about.

There is nothing wrong with pursuing happiness in this world, and no one is obligated to go on one-man crusades to change people that won't be changed. So please take your holier-than-thou delusions and shove them up your well-greased asshole.

You're right about there being nothing wrong with persuing happiness. Like I said, if someone has a legit reason for leaving the US, hey, I have no problem with that. Leaving the country because your canidate lost is pretty much bullshit though. Had the election been MASSIVELY in favor of Bush, this might be a different rant. Had the Republicans gotten total and permenant control over everything, it might be time to leave for greener pastures, but the nation was not even close to unamimously voting Lord Bush into a life term, and another election is in just two years which could shift the balance of power again.

That won't happen if everyone who voted Kerry this year leaves the country and turns their backs on America. Is that an over-exaggeration? Yes. Obviously not everyone who voted Kerry will leave, but this sort of defeatist attitude does nothing but demoralize everyone who did everything they could to change the way things were going.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-11-03 03:07pm

Hot, so what happens you feel like you identify with a culture like Canada's more than the culture here?

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-11-03 03:08pm

Got an email from NAB...not hiring at the mo' but will keep me on file....

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-11-03 03:09pm

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2004-11-03 03:16pm

Superman wrote:NAB?

National Australian Bank, I assume.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-11-03 03:17pm

Superman wrote:Hot, so what happens you feel like you identify with a culture like Canada's more than the culture here?

Dude, looking at your situation, you've got more going on than just the election, you've got your wife and career to think of. If, on top of that, you happen to think Canada is a better fit for your personality and such, hey, good luck, seriously. I do hope you and your wife get together soon, because the amount of bullshit you've described is more than enough in and of itself.

But see, that's the thing. Your primary motivation for leaving in this case wouldn't be because of the outcome of this election. It may be the last straw, which is regrettable, but hey.

The primary thing is bugging me are the people, the same sorts of people I've been listening to for the last twelve years, going, "If so-and-so wins, I'm moving to Canada." It happens on all sides, and it annoys the fuck out of me, you know? It's like the message becomes, "Get up and vote! But if you lose, go live somewhere else." That seems more than a little fucked up to me, personally.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-03 03:36pm

Hotfoot wrote:I'm just sick of this reactionary "Oh no, we lost, run away" bullshit.

You don't even know what the word "reactionary" means, do you?

It was stupid in 2000, it was stupid in 1996, and it's stupid now. It amounts to so much whining and bleating and it accomplishes nothing except creating a defeatist atmosphere and further discouraging people from getting involved.

Who said the goal of leaving was to accomplish something other than getting fed up and deciding that it's not going to change? Why do you insist on trying to force everyone else's motives to fit into your pidgeonholed versions thereof?

You're right about there being nothing wrong with persuing happiness. Like I said, if someone has a legit reason for leaving the US, hey, I have no problem with that. Leaving the country because your canidate lost is pretty much bullshit though.

If it means that at least half the country has values which are abhorrent to you, why wouldn't you be happier elsewhere? One cannot agree that it's OK to seek happiness while simultaneously insisting that they should not flee from unhappiness.

No doubt some of the people saying they'll leave are just being whiny and have no intention of actually doing it. For those people, feel free to go ahead and flame. But if someone actually puts his money where his mouth is and leaves, there is nothing wrong with that.