Rioting in London?

[Keevan_Colton]

Charged, not convicted.

[weemadando]

Charged, not convicted.

Wow? Not even waiting for conviction?

Classy moves.

[Broomstick]

If one member of a family committed a crime then punish that one person - throwing the whole family out on the street seems injust if the rest of them had nothing to do with it. Where are those people supposed to go?

Or do people want to see homeless people sleeping on the streets like in US cities?

[Zaune]

If one member of a family committed a crime then punish that one person - throwing the whole family out on the street seems injust if the rest of them had nothing to do with it. Where are those people supposed to go?

Or do people want to see homeless people sleeping on the streets like in US cities?

It's pure dick-waving. Any council that tried to enforce it would be sued into a smoking hole in the ground under the Human Rights Act, and in any case councils have a statutory duty to provide assistance re-housing anyone made homeless.

[weemadando]

Every council housing lease would have an "anti-social behaviour" or similar provision which they can use.

But it's a dumb idea. WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GO?

They may be deadshits, but do you really want to make them homeless deadshits?

[Zaune]

Every council housing lease would have an "anti-social behaviour" or similar provision which they can use.

But it's a dumb idea. WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GO?

They may be deadshits, but do you really want to make them homeless deadshits?

As far as I understand it, the anti-social behaviour clause would only apply to complaints from neighbours or damage to the property. And extending the eviction to partners and children -or even parents in some cases, I believe- would definitely not be acceptable.

[Zaune]

Too late to edit. Disregard my previous statement, it appears I was entirely wrong.

They actually went and did it.

Anyone know where I might buy a Union flag to burn?

[mr friendly guy]

http://www.news.com.au/world/the-englis ... 6114178266

The English roses caught with rioters

A MILLIONAIRE'S daughter made an appearance before magistrates in London yesterday.

So too did a girl chosen as one of London's "Olympic ambassadors". Both had been allegedly caught with rioters looting city streets.

Talented athlete Chelsea Ives was turned in by her appalled mother, who saw her on television wreaking havoc with rioters on nearby streets.

An emotional Adrienne Ives, 47, said the decision which led to the arrest of her 18-year-old daughter was "gut-wrenching".

She said: "I had to do what was right. She won't thank us."

"(Husband) Roger and I were watching the TV news and it was absolutely sickening," she said. "And then we saw our daughter. I could not believe it. For a minute we did not know what to do.

But then, what could normal, honest parents do? How can you sit there and see that and say, 'That's OK'?"

Ms Ives was selected as an Olympic ambassador - one of "the face of London" volunteers who will welcome visitors during the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

Yesterday she appeared at Westminster magistrates court, which heard Ms Ives had been involved in an attack on a Vodafone store. "She was first to pick up masonry and hurl it at the window," prosecutor Becky Owen said.

Ms Ives denied burglary at two mobile phone shops, violent disorder and attacking a police car and was remanded in custody.

At Bexleyheath magistrates court, the parents of 19-year-old Laura Johnson were gobsmacked to hear their privileged daughter had allegedly acted as a getaway driver for a gang of rioters.

Ms Johnson was allegedly caught with a balaclava, gloves and a bandana in the car she was using to ferry a group which pillaged shops, including PC World and a BP service station, in south-east London.

Her millionaire parents, Robert and Lindsay, are successful company directors and the family live in a detached converted farmhouse, with extensive grounds and a tennis court, in leafy Orpington, Kent.

How and why the star pupil came to be driving a car, which, it is claimed, contained a $7800 haul of stolen goods - including two television sets, a microwave, a Blu-ray player, mobiles phones, cigarettes and alcohol - is matter for her pending trial.

The teenager was granted conditional bail and is due to return to court next month, having pleaded not guilty to the charges against her.

More than 1500 people have now been arrested over this week's anarchy and almost 600 charged in London alone.

Five men have been killed by rioters, the latest a pensioner who was set upon after confronting a crowd of youths lighting fires on Monday night.

Police yesterday arrested a 22-year-old man over the murder of Richard Mannington Bowes, 68, who was left in a coma and died on Thursday

Already China, India and the US has questioned the security of London for the 2012 olympic (previous article I posted). This is just going to give more negative publicity. Of course over here in Australia we will behave totallly different to how we did in the 2008 olympics because the UK is a western country. Maybe Dawn Fraser will call for a boycott.

[weemadando]

My favourite looter thus far is the league football rookie who was due to play his first game. And now probably never will play a pro match. Good work fuckhead.

[weemadando]

And that fifth death sounds like the trigger for the solution that several of my friends had proposed. Activating an army of Harry Brown's.

[Broomstick]

"Harry Brown's".....?

[Crown]

"Harry Brown's".....?

Michael Cain's titular character, kicking ass and taking names.

[madd0ct0r]

more fucking internet tough guy bullshit. i get enough of that on facebook.

the police don't seem to have made their point to cameron. he's still talking about cutting their money.

expect further disturbances in a few months.

[Crown]

more fucking internet tough guy bullshit. i get enough of that on facebook.

There is a point, when this board in general, just takes itself too fucking seriously, and can't see an obvious joke when it's written. It's boring now.

the police don't seem to have made their point to cameron. he's still talking about cutting their money.

expect further disturbances in a few months.

I've never been a Boris fan, he always struck me as the kind of guy I'd love to punch in the mouth (watch out, internet tough guy speak, don't flip your lid), but gotta give him props for being against the police budget cuts that Cameron is suggesting.

[weemadando]

the police don't seem to have made their point to cameron. he's still talking about cutting their money.

expect further disturbances in a few months.

Hey hey hey.

They aren't trying to break a miner's strike here. Why would the conservativewant more or better paid police?

[Zaune]

Wanting to punch Boris Johnson isn't being an Internet tough-guy, it's a natural human reaction. He's an overbred, over-privileged twerp who's probably never had to do a day's real work in his life and who used his family money and connections to put himself above the law. His only redeeming feature is that he's fully aware of this and makes no pretence to be anything else, which is more than I can say for Cameron.

[Big Orange]

While clearly overstretched and blindsided as the rest of us by the waves of looting/vandalism that rippled across England from Monday afternoon to Wednesday morning, why are the police services seen as completely ineffectual when they've now detained 1,700 suspects so-far without deploying overly extreme methods and keeping fatalities in the single digits on both sides? The trouble is processing and appropriately punishing the culprits (though evicting families related to the suspects seems needlessly harsh), while the UK collectively has to take a long hard look in the mirror and I hope this tragedy will cause a beneficial cultural shift in England (there's bigger crooks at the top of the economic food chain).

And if the Army and Royal Navy eventually needs to be called in to quell future riots of similar nature, the best use of them is for sparing military lorries for logistical support (no armoured vehicles with weapons) and bolstering the numbers of riot cops, wearing riot gear and police fatigues. But Cameron and his banker cronies come across a right supercilious dumbfucks when they feel the need to dispense with our police and armed forces to save money, when they'd temporarily lost control of London, and if the angry mobs were much more politicised and comparable in size to the crowds at the recent Royal Wedding, the UK government and City would've gone down harder than the Mubarak regime...

[Crown]

why are the police services seen as completely ineffectual when they've now detained 1,700 suspects so-far without deploying overly extreme methods and keeping fatalities in the single digits on both sides?

Because we live in the age of the camera phone and big brother on nearly all street corners? Rye posted a clip further up where the reporter asked one of the delinquents why he was wearing a hoodie, scarf and sunglasses and the kid replied 'because they'll nick you months later!'.

The people arrested so far, as has been reported by news stories in this thread, weren't taking that basic precaution while engaging in mob criminality and opportunism.

[Big Orange]

Yes, I notice that, but one retard had the audacity to show his spoils in the photograph posted on the interent, with his face unmasked!

[Crown]

Yes, I notice that, but one retard had the audacity to show his spoils in the photograph posted on the interent, with his face unmasked!

We need a rolling on the floor emoticon. Wow.

"They didn't don nuffin blood, theyz well scared!"

Just fucking wow.

[Big Orange]

Supposedly the Metropolitan Police Service currently has over 50, 000 personnel, but only around 1, 600 people could be deployed within 24 hours notice of the crisis boiling over. While I know there's officers assigned for other duties, and you have to have a certain level of fitness and training to do riot duty competently, I get the impression the Met may likely get restructured.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Well how many of those personnel were office and clerical workers?

[Big Orange]

Yeah, there's a popular perception that UK cops should do less time wasting form filling (or bothering middle class motorists who go a few miles over a speed limit) and do more pro-active and supportive police work out on the streets (people think the relatively recent Community Officers are a cheap sop for that kind of thing).

[Zaune]

Probably quite a lot, there's been a big push towards putting civilians in every role that conceivably be performed without powers of arrest over the last few decades. It's something of a double-edged sword really; it doesn't make a lot of economic sense to put someone through the long and expensive process of police training to have them sitting at a desk all day operating the radio or performing routine admin duties, but it has shrunk the available pool of boots on the ground in a crisis situation.

And according to BBC News, former NYPD chief Bill Bratton (referred to as a "supercop", quotation marks the BBC's) has been hired on as a consultant and will be meeting with the PM next month. He's quoted as saying publically that we can't "arrest [our] way out of the problem", which augurs badly for his tenure in the employ of the current government; Cameron strikes me as the sort of person who retains consultants to tell him what he wants to hear.

[HMS Sophia]

I'm just going to link this here, because I am stunned by the whole thing:
Iran's on the insanity peppers again