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Explain why it is OK to be flippant about bombing cities and not OK to be flippant about dead bodies of soldiers.theski wrote:Wong, do really consider them to be the same?? The context is very different..
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I've no issue with the flippancy of an Iraqi soldier over US dead. My issue is with alleged reports that those soldiers may have been executed.Darth Wong wrote:Explain why it is OK to be flippant about bombing cities and not OK to be flippant about dead bodies of soldiers.theski wrote:Wong, do really consider them to be the same?? The context is very different..
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Wong has a point. The US went into THIER country. For them, dead US soldiers are a victory.
What should make you angry however, is the point that they killed the soldiers. Even though this is war, and they are PoWs, think about it. It's said the US will win, and it really is starting to look that way. Which means we would get our PoWs back anyways. So why would they kill them? For the simple fact that we cannot get them back now.
What should make you angry however, is the point that they killed the soldiers. Even though this is war, and they are PoWs, think about it. It's said the US will win, and it really is starting to look that way. Which means we would get our PoWs back anyways. So why would they kill them? For the simple fact that we cannot get them back now.
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This just in, Black Hawk Down in Afghanstan, all 6 did not survive.
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If they executed POW's, that would be different, of course. My issue was with his anger over the picture of the smiling Iraqi next to the bodies of the soldiers.jegs2 wrote:I've no issue with the flippancy of an Iraqi soldier over US dead. My issue is with alleged reports that those soldiers may have been executed.
I don't believe it has been established whether those soldiers were KIA or executed, as the pictures I saw were too fuzzy to determine the extent or nature of their injuries.
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I've heard that mentioned a couple times today on various news channels but nothing concreate. I was waiting for some one to write it down with some sources before mentioning it here.Colonel Olrik wrote:PENTAGON: Chemical weapons factory found (now on sky news)
If its true, I wonder what the political effects would be?
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
FNC/Sky News (more or less the same) are now corraborating this report. Take it with the usual grains of salt (or not).MKSheppard wrote:Jerusalem Post link
About 30 Iraqi troops, including a general, surrendered today to US forces of the 3rd Infantry Division as they overtook huge installation apparently used to produce chemical weapons in An Najaf, some 250 kilometers south of Baghdad.
EDIT: The BBC is reporting that unconfirmed reports are coming into the Pentagon.
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The Sydney Morning Herald is now corraborating the chemical plant article; FNC (link posted earlier) has updated their information.
The BBC is reporting that CENTCOM says they're investigating some sites, but nothing concrete from them.
EDIT: Reuters has picked up the report.
The BBC is reporting that CENTCOM says they're investigating some sites, but nothing concrete from them.
EDIT: Reuters has picked up the report.
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And how quickly they forget the various US forces posing with Taliban and Al'Qaeda bodies.Darth Wong wrote:Cool down. They probably say the same thing whenever they see smiling American or British soldiers giving the "thumbs-up" sign to reporters and photographers while a bombing campaign is going on.theski wrote:Check out the smiling Iraqi standing over the Dead soldier.. Unfucking beliveable. :x
Hypocrisy. Gotta love it.
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Yes, I remember you being very excited about that. What ever came of that?weemadando wrote:And how quickly they forget the various US forces posing with Taliban and Al'Qaeda bodies.
Hypocrisy. Gotta love it.
On topic: According to FNC, the spokesman for the UN Weapons Inspectors said that they were unaware of any facility in An Najaf. According to Terrence Talor, a former inspector, they did visit a cement facility there earlier this year, however (perhaps part of the biological team and not the chemical).
EDIT: To clarify, Talor is not the spokeperson for the inspectors.
USAF and RAF planes were around, but they didn't attack the Guard.jegs2 wrote:That sounds like a candidate for a multiple B-52 strike...Ted wrote:CNN reported a 3 hour long battle with the Republican Guard, no word on casualties, but the 11th (?) Attack Helicopter Regiment (Apache) had to withdraw due to the amount of AA fire put up by the Guard.
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The full tape supposedly shows at least two of them shot through the forehead. The question also comes up, if they where killed in the ambush why waste the effort to haul them off?Darth Wong wrote: If they executed POW's, that would be different, of course. My issue was with his anger over the picture of the smiling Iraqi next to the bodies of the soldiers.
I don't believe it has been established whether those soldiers were KIA or executed, as the pictures I saw were too fuzzy to determine the extent or nature of their injuries.
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It appears that the area is urban, which is why the Apaches had to close in rather then locating the tank on radar from several klicks. That means no carpte bombing and likely no JDAM's.jegs2 wrote:That sounds like a candidate for a multiple B-52 strike...Ted wrote:CNN reported a 3 hour long battle with the Republican Guard, no word on casualties, but the 11th (?) Attack Helicopter Regiment (Apache) had to withdraw due to the amount of AA fire put up by the Guard.
According to CNN, almost every aircraft was hit 15-20 times, though mostly by small caliber fire, and that one actually took a direct hit from an RPG in the engine without going down. All aircraft returned to base and there's no report of causalities, but some of the Apaches are unserviceable.
its unlikely the Apaches will return, well perhapes a few might attempt a long range attack. More likely the Air force will attack with Mavericks from F-16's and A-10's. Course, if the brigade needs to move then we might see the use of Sensor fused weapon, or a long range slaughter by returning AH-64's.
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I dunno- ask the Somalis who dragged US Delta Force men through the streets. Maybe they just thought the bodies would make good trophies or photo-ops.Sea Skimmer wrote:The full tape supposedly shows at least two of them shot through the forehead. The question also comes up, if they where killed in the ambush why waste the effort to haul them off?
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
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Do the Iraqis have night-vision gear widely deployed? Would the cover of darkness make these kinds of operations easier?Sea Skimmer wrote:its unlikely the Apaches will return, well perhapes a few might attempt a long range attack. More likely the Air force will attack with Mavericks from F-16's and A-10's. Course, if the brigade needs to move then we might see the use of Sensor fused weapon, or a long range slaughter by returning AH-64's.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
There are some reports of Iraq buying large amounts of IR googles, but I have no idea if they ever got them let alone if they were disseminated out to the regular army in any numbers.
Having NVG gear widly in use in the US military gives us the ability to exploit the advantage of engaging in the dark. If the opposition has similar gear, the advantage is negated or lessened to a large degree.
Having NVG gear widly in use in the US military gives us the ability to exploit the advantage of engaging in the dark. If the opposition has similar gear, the advantage is negated or lessened to a large degree.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red