Patrick Degan wrote:
I guess the main reason for McCain over Hillary is that I have at least some idea what I'm getting, so I have time to prepare for the the worst.
What kind of fucked-up reasoning is THAT?![/quote]
The same type of non-reasoning that mindless middle fucktards used to vote Bush into office in 04.
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Retarded, is what it is. That's like saying between being locked in a room with a rabid dog and getting shot in the head, you'll take the shot because you know what's coming.
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MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:I think of it more like knowing your enemy so you can better fight against them.
By your non-logic, you seem to be one of the people who'd stay onboard a burning ship because you know what to expect from it instead of jumping in the ocean, because there might be something dangerous in there.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
Even better, the enemy that you 'know' is being fought against BY VOTING FOR THEM. Bring them down, oust them from power, save the country - BY VOTING FOR THEM.
Patrick Degan wrote:What kind of fucked-up reasoning is THAT?!
One that takes a dim and pessimistic view of politics.
Or rather, one which appears to bear out my essential observations about the motives for voting for today's GOP.
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This isn't about popularity; it's about your broken logic. You know they both suck, so you'll vote for the definately terrible one so you can 'know' them and 'fight' them?
Call me nuts, but the US doesn't have compulsory voting. Voting is thus not 'best fit' but 'direct support'; voting McCain is openly saying 'I support this man to lead the country'. Sorry, 'I support this man so I can fight him somehow'.
MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:Look. I don't see much difference between either of them and given a choice, I wouldn't vote for either of them. That's what I said at the beginning.
My ideal election would be Ron Paul vs Barack Obama. A win-win situation.
If you don't see much of a difference then clearly you haven't been doing much beyond listening to the party talking-heads. The fact that voting is purely voluntary makes your "don't have a choice" bullshit hilarious.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
Stark wrote:
Call me nuts, but the US doesn't have compulsory voting. Voting is thus not 'best fit' but 'direct support'; voting McCain is openly saying 'I support this man to lead the country'. Sorry, 'I support this man so I can fight him somehow'.
I agree with you and that's why I haven't voted Democrat or Republican in either of the last two Presidential elections. I haven't liked the candidates on either side so I've voted "Third Party" each time. And, before any jackasses come out and tell me that I essentially voted for Bush by default I want to point out that my state (Arizona) went strongly Republican both times and all the protests votes like mine going to the Democrats would likely not have changed who won this state.
Personally, I fucking hate "lesser of two evils" voting. We should have better choices than that and continuing to vote along those lines is just going to keep giving us the same sort of crap. Still, if I knew how shitty Bush was going to be back in 2000 I'd probably have voted for Gore just for the remote chance that I'd help avoid a disaster, but then who would have thought that any President could fuck things up this badly?
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I just one of those people who sees politicians as evil. [sarcasm]I guess i should just trust my government. After all, they're here to help.[/sarcasm]
This poll didn't have an 'abstain' option, so for our purposes here it is mandatory. In real life I probably won't vote if neither of my candidates gets the nomination.
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MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:I just one of those people who sees politicians as evil. [sarcasm]I guess i should just trust my government. After all, they're here to help.[/sarcasm]
Or you could try, I dunno, thinking in terms of something that isn't a hilarious black/white fallacy.
This poll didn't have an 'abstain' option, so for our purposes here it is mandatory. In real life I probably won't vote if neither of my candidates gets the nomination.
You know, it would have been useful if you clarified whether you were talking about voting for the thread's poll or real life voting earlier in the thread.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:Look. I don't see much difference between either of them and given a choice, I wouldn't vote for either of them. That's what I said at the beginning.
From what I see, Mr. Ferrari, your entire thinking on the matter starts with "I don't like either one" to "I don't like either one" —though you'd be willing to consider voting for the man who DEFINITELY promises to give us four more years of Bushism on the half-assed theory that you'd "know what you're getting" and "have time to prepare for the worst".
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MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:Look. I don't see much difference between either of them and given a choice, I wouldn't vote for either of them. That's what I said at the beginning.
My ideal election would be Ron Paul vs Barack Obama. A win-win situation.
Under what mindless abortion of reason does Ron Paul constitute a "win" situation?
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MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:Look. I don't see much difference between either of them and given a choice, I wouldn't vote for either of them. That's what I said at the beginning.
My ideal election would be Ron Paul vs Barack Obama. A win-win situation.
Under what mindless abortion of reason does Ron Paul constitute a "win" situation?
If you're a Repub who is anti Iraq war, Ron Paul would be 'reasonable'.
Ironically, he'd be more reasonable than Hillary Clinton.
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Glocksman wrote:If you're a Repub who is anti Iraq war, Ron Paul would be 'reasonable'.
Ironically, he'd be more reasonable than Hillary Clinton.
Yeah but all that other nonsense of his...
The gold standard is the one that really stands out for me though. Oooo, yeah, lets ruin the economy permanently so that we can pretend that our currency will only work when there's something real behind it.
Moron.
(Errr... Ron Paul, not you Glocksman)
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I hope you're kidding, as I've shot people for less...
I know you're not serious, but I have to adhere to the stereotype of the 'gun loving violent American' at least once this election cycle.
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The Spartan wrote: Under what mindless abortion of reason does Ron Paul constitute a "win" situation?
It's simple, really. He'd get exactly NOTHING done on the domestic front and would only have any real power in the foreign policy sphere where he's right.
Darth Raptor wrote:It's simple, really. He'd get exactly NOTHING done on the domestic front...
Which is sort of a problem when there's all kinds of shit that needs to get done.
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The Spartan wrote:Which is sort of a problem when there's all kinds of shit that needs to get done.
I would rather work on fixing things myself. I have a hard time trusting the government not to fuck things up even more. I mean, look at the record so far...
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Not really by myself. I mean the American people (including myself), charities, non-profits, companies, etc. Anyone but the government. There's kind of a Texan attitude of wanting the government to leave you alone. Non-politician candidates like Kinky Friedman and a constitution designed to make it as hard as possible for the government to do anything reflect this.
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MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:Not really by myself. I mean the American people (including myself), charities, non-profits, companies, etc. Anyone but the government. There's kind of a Texan attitude of wanting the government to leave you alone. Non-politician candidates like Kinky Friedman and a constitution designed to make it as hard as possible for the government to do anything reflect this.
Ye-ah. That worked real well with the housing market...
I have that same attitude in a way. But that attitude doesn't extend much further than what I may or may not do in private (and to a lesser degree public) with one or more consenting adults.
All that shit that needs fixing requires government intervention because they're the only ones that don't have a ingrown profit motive. Just off the top of my head: roads, bridges, health care...
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MichaelFerrariF1 wrote:Not really by myself. I mean the American people (including myself), charities, non-profits, companies, etc. Anyone but the government.
Who exactly do you think the government is, if not 'the American people.'?
Under what mindless abortion of reason does Ron Paul constitute a "win" situation?
