She's Thirteen, but she lies that she's adult.

KlavoHunter · Post by **KlavoHunter** » 2008-06-01 08:27pm

Lord MJ wrote:A good idea I had for a Law and Order or SVU episode is exactly the scenario where the parents were behind an exact same scenario in order to extort compensation from the "rapists." One of the convicted boys is killed in prison.

The parents are subsequently charged with fraud, rape, and manslaughter.

Does it end with Detective Stabler badgering the fuck out of the suspect into confessing by playing off their deep emotional instabilities that caused them to commit the crime?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2008-06-01 08:29pm

NeoGoomba wrote:Out of curiosity, what is the statute of limitations on statutory rape? And if its a few years, did porn stars who had scenes with Tracy Lords get thrown to the wolves when her real age was revealed?

It varies from state to state. Effectively, the statute of limitations is after the victim turns 18. Before that point, the victim's legal guardians can file a complaint on behalf of the victim, which is what happened in this case.

But given that many instances of statutory rape are consensual, if the guardians don't find out until after the victim becomes an adult, there's not going to be a complaining witness, so there's no complaint and thus no charges.

When it was revealed that Tracy Lords made porn videos when she was underage, she was already over 18 and naturally not inclined to file complaints against the men who had sex with her. Instead, her studio was forced to destroy all copies of her performances while she was a minor to avoid prosecution for trafficking child pornography.

And if there was any case where a "reasonable expectation" standard would come into effect, it'd be that one. The male performers she had sex with had a reasonable expectation that she was of lawful age because the studio had to perform due diligence in verifying it. Lords used a birth certificate to obtain a perfectly valid, state-issued driver's license with her picture on it and everything. According to the system, she was who she said she was. Prosecuting them would not have gone very far.

There was plenty of legal troubles to go around in that whole shit storm, but statutory rape charges were not among them.

Oni Koneko Damien · Post by **Oni Koneko Damien** » 2008-06-01 09:33pm

Stark wrote:Oni is right. While spotting vacuous idiots is pretty easy, most 18 year olds (hell, many 22 year olds) STILL have that same demeanour. I've taken age on trust before and been ruled (nothing as serious as five years underage, however) and really, aside from carding someone, when you meet them you take a great deal on trust - like pretty much everything you know about them.

I spend my summers as a renaissance festival where this sort of thing happens a *lot*. Here, or pretty much anywhere else, for that matter, it's best to follow one simple rule: If she looks eighteen, and acts eighteen, she's probably fourteen. I tend to have age verified by at least two other sources before engaging in any sort of heavy flirting, and many more if it starts heading beyond mere flirting.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-06-01 10:31pm

I remember when I was part of the first BBS network in Stockton. And we kept having to censor "Chaos" and "Vampirella" the two jail baits that were constantly posting "Inappropreate" material. though the "playing with my wet pussy" picture of her cat covered in bubble bath was funny.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2008-06-02 01:37am

I could pass for >18 when I was 12. My older brother's friends used to get me to buy cigarettes for them since they got carded and I didn't.

I would recommend checking for ID, but those can be faked too, and if being deceived about age isn't a defense, you're still screwed. Looks like the twenty-somethings of Florida will either have to really get to know the chicks they want to bang or they'll have to get used to cold showers.

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2008-06-02 01:50am

KlavoHunter wrote:
Invictus ChiKen wrote:Okay where is that gif of Bugs Bunny cutting off Florida literally!?
You rang?

Thanks!

So what CAN we do to ID girls to insure there our age and will stand up in court.

Lord MJ · Post by **Lord MJ** » 2008-06-02 02:04am

About this whole being deceived not being a defense thing.

I can imagine some fuckup ADA trying to argue that any mention of the fact that the girl lied about her age be excluded on grounds that its irrelevant and would prejudice the jury against the victim.

If that were to happen, almost all culpability for the resulting conviction would be on the ADA for making that argument, and the judge for agreeing with him.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2008-06-02 05:44am

Sidewinder wrote:I'm shuddering at the thought of what kind of childhood Alisha Dean had that would make her act the way she did.

Girls that sexualized at 13 (or worse yet, earlier as is apparently the case here) are almost always victims of sexual abuse

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2008-06-02 07:56am

I cannot imagine me asking a girl to show me her ID when we are trying to hit it off. But then again, the place I currently reside in has sane sex-offender laws which force the state to actually demonstrate intent and simple negligience is not enough for a conviction.

Why this isn't the case in other countries I cannot imagine. Probably some screwed up puritanical mindset.

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2008-06-02 12:15pm

Durandal wrote:That's restitution, not damages, I think. Criminal court won't get you the kind of gigantic payouts that civil court will, so it's hardly worth scamming for money.

This is true, but wouldn't a successful conviction on a criminal matter nonetheless lay the foundation for a whopping civil suit?

Rihannsu Science Officer · Post by **Rihannsu Science Officer** » 2008-07-19 02:55am

Luckily, here in Ohio, it's an affirmative defence if the girl is 13-15, 16 being the AOC. Strict liability applies at 12 or lower.

I personally see this incident as proof that 13-year-olds are perfectly capable of consenting to sex. Before I get a "Subhuman Paedophilia Advocate" title, Spain has an AOC of 13 and isn't exactly a moral cesspit. <source>

This girl knew EXACTLY what she was doing. She may or may not have intended to get people jailed - probably not if she wasn't the one to approach the police - but she clearly was not only consenting (in the dictionary sense, not the pseudo-legal sense) but actively seeking out sex.

Metatwaddle · Post by **Metatwaddle** » 2008-07-19 03:51am

Rihannsu Science Officer wrote:Luckily, here in Ohio, it's an affirmative defence if the girl is 13-15, 16 being the AOC. Strict liability applies at 12 or lower.

I personally see this incident as proof that 13-year-olds are perfectly capable of consenting to sex. Before I get a "Subhuman Paedophilia Advocate" title, Spain has an AOC of 13 and isn't exactly a moral cesspit. <source>

This girl knew EXACTLY what she was doing. She may or may not have intended to get people jailed - probably not if she wasn't the one to approach the police - but she clearly was not only consenting (in the dictionary sense, not the pseudo-legal sense) but actively seeking out sex.

Dude, nobody's posted in this thread for six weeks. Thread necro = fail.