Palin: Obama associates with terrorists.

[Ekiqa]

This fucking low-life trailer trash bitch has a lot of gall to screech that Obama is too critical of America, when her own fucking party has spent the the last 30 years demonizing huge swathes of the American landscape, from everyone living in metropolitan cities to sexually active people, visible minorities, homosexuals, and increasingly, everyone who does not fellate the military and drape himself in the flag.

Her party was glad when Katrina went through New Orleans. It cleared out the housing projects in a way that they never could.

[Saxtonite]

As for Reverend Wright, I'll let him say it, courtesy again of YouTube: Rev. Wright

that's not racism, that's the perspective of much of the African-American community. He never attacked caucasians but attacked RICH WHITE MEN who do control the world currently (what is the G8 mainly made of?). Not to mention can you prove what he said in the video to be wrong (regarding the atomic bomb attacks, support of Israel, etc.)?

Also how are Black Separatists racists? There can be some overlap (see Malcolm X at the beginning before his pilgrimage to Mecca) but that does not make them racist (see the Black Panthers, and arguably the Blackstone Rangers and other similar groups if you include them). Also regarding what America was founded upon, can you prove her wrong?

Yes, technically, the Weather Underground was a terrorist organisation, though they did not target people. They bombed banks at night, well after closing hours. More vandalism than terrorism but still within the legal definition of the term. The problem is that Bill Ayers and the Weathermen are ancient history and everybody now associates terrorism with Muslims. If they really try to push this and start screaming Bill Ayers, the likely response from most Americans would be "who?"

okay, thank you.

[Elfdart]

Since you brought up connections to terrorists...

WASHINGTON — GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.

McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.

The council's founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member in the group.

"McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub told The Associated Press in an interview. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out. It looks good to have names on a letterhead who are well-known and appreciated.

"I don't recall talking to McCain at all on the work of the group," Singlaub said.

The renewed attention over McCain's association with Singlaub's group comes as McCain's campaign steps up criticism of Obama's dealings with William Ayers, a college professor who co-founded the Weather Underground and years later worked on education reform in Chicago alongside Obama. Ayers held a meet-the-candidate event at his home when Obama first ran for public office in the mid-1990s.
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Obama was roughly 8 years old when Ayers, now at the University of Illinois at Chicago, was working with the Weather Underground, which took responsibility for bombings that included nonfatal blasts at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol. McCain's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, has said that Obama "pals around with terrorists."

In McCain's case, Singlaub knew McCain's father, a Navy admiral who had sought Singlaub's counsel when McCain, a Navy pilot, became a prisoner of war and spent 5 1/2 years in North Vietnamese hands.

"John's father asked me for advice about what he ought to do now that his son had been shot down and captured," Singlaub recalled in one of two recent interviews. "I said, 'As long as you don't give any impression that you care more about him than you care about any of the other prisoners, he won't be treated any differently.'"

Covert arms shipments to the rebels called Contras, financed in part by secret arms sales to Iran, became known as the Iran-Contra affair. They proved to be the undoing of Singlaub's council.

In 1987, the Internal Revenue Service withdrew the tax-exempt status of Singlaub's group because of its activities on behalf of the Contras.

Elected to the House in 1982 and at a time when he was on the board of Singlaub's council, McCain was among Republicans on Capitol Hill expressing support for the Contras, a CIA-organized guerrilla force in Central America. In 1984, Congress cut off CIA funds for the Contras.

Months before the cutoff, top Reagan administration officials ramped up a secret White House-directed supply network and put National Security Council aide Oliver North in charge of running it. The goal was to keep the Contras operational until Congress could be persuaded to resume CIA funding.

Singlaub's private group became the public cover for the White House operation.

Secretly, Singlaub worked with North in an effort to raise millions of dollars from foreign governments.

McCain has said previously he resigned from the council in 1984 and asked in 1986 to have his name removed from the group's letterhead.

"I didn't know whether (the group's activity) was legal or illegal, but I didn't think I wanted to be associated with them," McCain said in a newspaper interview in 1986.

Singlaub does not recall any McCain resignation in 1984 or May 1986. Nor does Joyce Downey, who oversaw the group's day-to-day activities.

"That's a surprise to me," Singlaub said. "This is the first time I've ever heard that. There may have been someone in his office communicating with our office."

"I don't ever remember hearing about his resigning, but I really wasn't worried about that part of our activities, a housekeeping thing," said Singlaub. "If he didn't want to be on the board that's OK. It wasn't as if he had been active participant and we were going to miss his help. He had no active interest. He certainly supported us."

For those who are too young to remember, Singlaub was a disgraced former army general who was fired by President Carter for insubordination and spent the next three decades supporting mass murderers. What this scumbag helped carry out in Central America killed off over 300,000 people -the equivalent of a hundred 9-11 attacks. I guess it was a mavericky thing to do.

[ray245]

And Obama and the democrats don't need need to dig up those infomation, the media themselves is digging up their own infomation to attack Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin has actually motivated the media to attack her because of her negative campaign.

And should there be a law that restrict politicans from basically using this kind of harmful and dangerous lies (well, when such acts may encourage people to actually murder another person).

When you look at her words in the most basic form, she is basically encouraging murder.

[gizmojumpjet]

Yes, technically, the Weather Underground was a terrorist organisation, though they did not target people. They bombed banks at night, well after closing hours. More vandalism than terrorism but still within the legal definition of the term. The problem is that Bill Ayers and the Weathermen are ancient history and everybody now associates terrorism with Muslims. If they really try to push this and start screaming Bill Ayers, the likely response from most Americans would be "who?"

The Weather Underground bombed more than banks. They bombed the State Department HQ, the Pentagon, the US Capitol, NY Police HQ, statues, and more. The bomb that destroyed their Greenwich Village safe house was being built to deploy at an officer's dance at Fort Dix. The last time I checked, members of the military are still considered people, as are their dates. I'm curious, was your statement was made out of simple ignorance or was it knowingly untruthful?

[Fleet Admiral JD]

I effing love Olbermann. . .

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bi ... rtNum=5510

[Saxtonite]

And should there be a law that restrict politicans from basically using this kind of harmful and dangerous lies (well, when such acts may encourage people to actually murder another person).

actually those laws do exist in the US, they're libel/slander laws.

also in case Count Chocola still doubts the conditions of African-Americans in the US, see this blog.
http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0 ... y-schools/

[General Zod]

actually those laws do exist in the US, they're libel/slander laws.

also in case Count Chocola still doubts the conditions of African-Americans in the US, see this blog.
http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0 ... y-schools/

US libel and slander laws are all but worthless, since they effectively require the person being slandered to prove that the person making the accusation knew they were lying.

[Covenant]

Yes, technically, the Weather Underground was a terrorist organisation, though they did not target people. They bombed banks at night, well after closing hours. More vandalism than terrorism but still within the legal definition of the term. The problem is that Bill Ayers and the Weathermen are ancient history and everybody now associates terrorism with Muslims. If they really try to push this and start screaming Bill Ayers, the likely response from most Americans would be "who?"

The Weather Underground bombed more than banks. They bombed the State Department HQ, the Pentagon, the US Capitol, NY Police HQ, statues, and more. The bomb that destroyed their Greenwich Village safe house was being built to deploy at an officer's dance at Fort Dix. The last time I checked, members of the military are still considered people, as are their dates. I'm curious, was your statement was made out of simple ignorance or was it knowingly untruthful?

You're incorrect with the sites of the bombings, you've gotten a few of them mixed up. For example, it wasn't the New York Police HQ, it was Park Station in San Francisco--and it wasn't after closing hours, as there was a death and a maiming as a result of it.

I have no idea what was in the heads of the New York bunch. The things that happened in New York were attacks on recruiting stations, possibly a firebombing, some random attacks on police and police vehicles, and the climatic explosion that took our the New York cell rather than whatever their target may have been. But as you note it may have been a crowded target, the bomb in question was a nailbomb so it seems to have been designed for massive soft-target damage, which can only lead to fatalities.

The statue in question was also the Haymarket Riot statue here in Chicago, which they blew up. Then we fixed it. Then they blew it up again, the wreckage fell over, and sank down into the swamp. Then we fixed it a third time and this time it stayed up, perhaps because of the police cordon, or perhaps they ran out of bombs. I don't know about the New Yorkers really, but a lot of the Weathermen started here in Chicago and focused on Chicago events, such as the DNC protests. But any rational estimation still places them among some of the most well-known domestic terror groups, and that's really what they were after the actions in New York and DC. I certainly don't think Obama has any "guilt by association" merely by meeting the guy, or every single student taught by Ayers would share an incomprehensible stain because they didn't stand up and leave at some point. That's just not how we do stuff in America, we judge you by what you do, not what your neighbor did.