Mother of 6 has 8 MORE kids with fertility treatments

[Broomstick]

Who the fuck paid for all this?

Ovum extraction is about $10k a go. It's not always successful, so most need more than one go-around. Sperm is easily obtained and once you have that in vitro fertilization isn't too hard... but the embryos were stored? Who paid for that?

And don't most fertility clinics view implanting more than just a couple embryos unethical? I've heard of implanting four at once, but fucking EIGHT?

What the hell is going on here?

The typical fertility clinic patient is a woman over 30 with either no children or, perhaps, one or two previously conceived through help (twins being much more likely with assisted reproduction than natural, having two sets of twins is reasonable, that being two pregnancies). Most will freakin' STOP at that point. Occassionally you have grandma carrying a child for a daughter without a functioning uterus - a little weird to old-fashioned me, but not entirely unjustifiable. BUT EIGHT EMBRYOS AT ONCE???? TO A WOMAN WITH SIX KIDS???? She's trying to out-Dugger the Duggers, but with fewer pregnancies?

Like I said, what the hell is going on here? And who paid for this?

And let's give the Kaiser docs some benefit of the doubt until we know otherwise - for all I know this woman showed up pregnant with eight at a hospital that had nothing to do with the conception, at which point the docs & other staff have to deal with a situation they had no part in making. They're doing their job trying to keep eight babies who had no part in these decisions alive and healthy.

30 weeks isn't too outrageous - 50 years ago one of my sisters was born at 30-32 weeks (that is about two months early, you couldn't tell timing with as much precision back then) ) and she's just fine (in fact, she's the family MD) BUT my sister was a singleton, not one of 8, and probably outweighed any two of these octuplets at her birth. It's not just that they're premature, it's that they're so damn small!

But, oh yeah, there is something definitely amiss here!

[The Duchess of Zeon]

In at least one article the grandfather was boasting that the family wouldn't be going home to his and his wife's small suburban house but to some "big house" out in the country--note that his daughter's legal residence is his house.

There is something seriously amiss here.

[Aratech]

Yeah, my 'more to this than meets the eye' detector is going off. Then again, so is my 'you can't make this shit up' alarm.

I mean, cripes, this is the kind of crap I expect to see in a the headlines of a grocery store tabloid.

I do not envy these kids either. This woman's behavior reeks of irresponsibility.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Why do we need a birthrate at or above sustaining level when there are nearly 7 billion humans on Earth. Do you have any evidence to support the implicit assertion that 7 billion indefinitely is a sustainable situation, or are you just shooting your mouth off?

I assume you're referring to me; I never said a damn thing about nor asserted that 7 bilion is sustainable, non sustainable or anthing thing of the sort. Rather thought dropping off the birth rate as a mandate (which was implied in his post) was asinine.

Dropping the birth rate so as to reduce the overall population is only "asinine" if the current population (or even larger) is seen as positive or tolerable. Given that that's an intrinsic premise of your argument, it ought to be justified.

[generator_g1]

Jesus H fucking Christ. This selfish irresponsible cunt, having fertility treatments in order that she may have 8 more fucking kids on top of the 6 (I wonder how many dads?) she already has? And she is bankrupt? What the fuck? This is why we need a fucking cap and trade system on fucking children. Each person gets 1. Couples have 2, you can pay other people for their offspring vouchers. This brings the birth rate just below the replacement level of 2.1

She's probably hoping one of those reality TV shows come along and sponsor her family. :rolleyes:

[Shroom Man 777]

They should shove her new babies back inside her and tape it shut.

These fertility treatments should really be given to people who are, you know, infertile. Since they'd probably need to have their fertility treated.

Mothers of six probably don't need fertility treatments, like how eunuchs don't need contraceptives.

[Solauren]

They should shove her new babies back inside her and tape it shut.

These fertility treatments should really be given to people who are, you know, infertile. Since they'd probably need to have their fertility treated.

Mothers of six probably don't need fertility treatments, like how eunuchs don't need contraceptives.

Did you read the arcticles Shroomy?

She had the first 6 via fertility treatments as well. These last 8 are the leftovers from those treatments.

This could have been prevented if there was a database (SIN number driven) where the doctor had to check how many kids the person already had, and beyond 3, no treatments for you.

[Alyeska]

To those who wonder what this mother was up to.

Link

THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.

Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.

Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week — media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.

Her family has told agents she needs cash from deals such as nappy sponsorship — she will get through 250 a week in the next few months — and the agents will gauge public reaction to her story.

(click on link to read the rest of the article)

[Illuminatus Primus]

There is no civic virtue anymore. Renown and celebrity of the worst sort is capital for investment.

[Admiral Valdemar]

There is no civic virtue anymore. Renown and celebrity of the worst sort is capital for investment.

Hear hear. Let us all partake in the modern freakshow phenomenon and profit considerably.

This could be the new services industry once the rest of Wall Street dies a death. The West excels at idolising the worst possible contenders for role model of the year.

[Broomstick]

They should shove her new babies back inside her and tape it shut.

And what did those babies do to deserve that?

These fertility treatments should really be given to people who are, you know, infertile. Since they'd probably need to have their fertility treated.

Apparently she DOES meet the technical definition of infertile, being unable to conceive without technological assistance.

Not only do you have to question the wisdom of having so many children (no matter how conceived), but EIGHT AT ONCE? What the HELL was the doctor who helped with this thinking? Why not two pregnancies of quads, for example? With artificial conception and an age of 33 she could have even spaced this out over 4 pregnancies every 2 years and still had all eight of these by 42, that is, within a normal reproductive lifespan with FAR less risk to either herself, or, more importantly, to her children.

I sincerely hope ALL these kids grow up healthy and unimpaired, but good lord, imagine if several of them ARE messed up and find out later on that mom crammed them all into her womb at once when she could have spaced them out and spared them life-long infirmities!

Eight embryos at once into a womb is completely outrageous! What the fuck was the hurry?!?

[Broomstick]

There is no civic virtue anymore. Renown and celebrity of the worst sort is capital for investment.

Hear hear. Let us all partake in the modern freakshow phenomenon and profit considerably.

A parade-for-profit of natural freaks is one thing (and usually bad enough) but the idea of manufactured freaks is just... revolting*


* I realize that "tattooed ladies" and body modifiers could be considered "manufactured freaks", but typically those are adults who voluntarially chose to be freaks, not babies that will be freaks from birth with no say so in the matter - it's the latter I find truly revolting.

[Superman]

Jesus H Shit Balls... hey, let's ALL have twenty fucking kids! The government will give us money and crap if we can't afford to raise them! In fact, we should probably start genetically modifying women to grow more than two breasts. Eight to ten would probably be enough. For now anyway.

When I was a kid, there was this crazy old lady who lived at the end of the street. She was clearly nuts, and she had about 20 cats. Eventually the ASPCA came and took all the cats, and I assume that the woman was taken to a hospital. Funny how the government will step in when someone has 20 cats, but 20 kids? Hey, no problem! Being the human version of the crazy cat lady is fine... just don't be the cat version.

[cosmicalstorm]

I wonder if she ever thought about asking the taxpayers wheter or not they wanted to help her raise her own private rugby team before she began this treatment?

[Solauren]

Eight embryos at once into a womb is completely outrageous! What the fuck was the hurry?!?

The more I think about this, the more I wonder abot that.

It's possible the storage facility was no longer going to keep them, and she was planning to have them spaced out, but damn, still...

[Broomstick]

Jesus H Shit Balls... hey, let's ALL have twenty fucking kids! The government will give us money and crap if we can't afford to raise them! In fact, we should probably start genetically modifying women to grow more than two breasts. Eight to ten would probably be enough. For now anyway.

I got a better idea - since we women would be dropping litters how about in the name of fairness we genetically modify the men to have breasts and do the lactating?

[Spyder]

Having 14 kids doesn't neccessary make you an expert at child rearing. There are plenty of people with lots of kids who are shit parents. She might make a good case study for orphanage matrons.

I got a better idea - since we women would be dropping litters how about in the name of fairness we genetically modify the men to have breasts and do the lactating?

The human race would cease as every human male loses incentive to ever leave his apartment.

[Venator]

Who the fuck paid for all this?

Ovum extraction is about $10k a go. It's not always successful, so most need more than one go-around. Sperm is easily obtained and once you have that in vitro fertilization isn't too hard... but the embryos were stored? Who paid for that?

I'm thinking an escaped Nazi scientist (or a descendant thereof), with Hitlers' frozen sperm. Paid for by the sale of some of the various treasures stolen during the war.

In seriousness, though, is that $10,000 figure for the extraction of a single embryo or for a batch? $20,000 (the six and then the eight) is still a lot, but $140,000 is obviously a hell of a lot more.

[Broomstick]

In seriousness, though, is that $10,000 figure for the extraction of a single embryo or for a batch? $20,000 (the six and then the eight) is still a lot, but $140,000 is obviously a hell of a lot more.

$10K an extraction cycle. It's extremely unlikely they got 22 viable eggs in one go, so she's had at least two and probably three or four.

[Crossroads Inc.]

I was listening to NPR last night and they were talking about her and her past... Apparently she started doing ths Specifically to become "Famous" Apparently she has already hired a publisist and has tried booking her appearance on shows for money.
No links just what I heared from NPR. Of course if this is true its adds a whole new sickening layer to things

[Solauren]

I was listening to NPR last night and they were talking about her and her past... Apparently she started doing ths Specifically to become "Famous" Apparently she has already hired a publisist and has tried booking her appearance on shows for money.
No links just what I heared from NPR. Of course if this is true its adds a whole new sickening layer to things

I can she why she'd think he might get a show or something (i.e John + Kate plus , but there are massive differences.

Quite frankly, no responsible (or sane) network or TV show would touch her, except to rake her over the coals.

And if she's doing this just to become famous, then take the kids away. That's got to be child abuse.

[ray245]

I feel sad for the kids.

[Aratech]

I was listening to NPR last night and they were talking about her and her past... Apparently she started doing ths Specifically to become "Famous" Apparently she has already hired a publisist and has tried booking her appearance on shows for money.
No links just what I heared from NPR. Of course if this is true its adds a whole new sickening layer to things

Is that even legal? This, as stated, has to fall under child abuse of some variety.

[Broomstick]

If, as seems the case, she voluntarially had octuplets I think there may be gronds for charges of child endangerment, for both her and the asshat doctor(s) who helped her

[Kanastrous]

For what very little it's worth, I sent the following to the news producers at ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN...

Dear Sirs:

Recent reports suggest that Nadya Suleman, the California mother of recently-delivered octuplets is planning to appear on television to be interviewed regarding her experience.

I believe that Suleman's conduct in this matter has been selfish, reckless and unconscionable. Should your network choose to lower itself to providing airtime to this individual, I shall cease viewing NBC programming and aggressively pursue your commercial sponsors with the goal of seeing their advertising withdrawn from your network.

Please do not allow your company's reach to be used for the benefit of this greedy and irresponsible person.

Sincerely,