Tea Party Leader Mocks NAACP "Coloreds" In Online Screed

[Tom_Kalbfus]

Standard LibertarianTea Party SOP: Completely ignore history when making your analogies.

Either way - you are morally responsible for the acts people commit in the name of your organization. If you want to be a "clean organization" in regards to such acts, you have to draw consequences - whether it is a racist statement, rape or other crime - if someone in your organization does something your organization does not want to be affiliated with, you kick him out.
Now, even if your are not an organization with membership - your leaders can still speak up against such people and condem them. The LibertarianTea Party leaders never did that against racism.
Mind you, they probably can't - either because they are racist themselves or because they know that most of their basis are racists and that they can't afford to alienate them.

It says you are from Germany, do you take moral responsibility for things others have done in Germany's name? I think you can either have free speech or you can take responsibility for every member's viewpoints. Lots of communists have attended and participated in many liberal causes, and the more moderate among them didn't ask too many questions. I think whats important is that the rallies don't become about racism, either they aren't taken over by racists, or the participants don't spend most of their time condemning racism among their own participants. The purpose of the Tea Party is to oppose high taxes, and the more time it spends examining its member's views under a microscope, as the opposition would like, the less time it has for its main purpose which is opposing high taxes. The founding fathers of the United States also did not spend much time and rancor opposing slavery, it concentrated on winning independence first and saved that other struggle for later.

[D.Turtle]

Except taxes aren't high...

[loomer]

In fact, if I recall, America's actual taxes are quite low by global standards.

[D.Turtle]

Not only by global standards - even by american standards. Like I posted on the last page: taxes on income are at their lowest since the 1950s.

[Serafina]

Standard LibertarianTea Party SOP: Completely ignore history when making your analogies.

Either way - you are morally responsible for the acts people commit in the name of your organization. If you want to be a "clean organization" in regards to such acts, you have to draw consequences - whether it is a racist statement, rape or other crime - if someone in your organization does something your organization does not want to be affiliated with, you kick him out.
Now, even if your are not an organization with membership - your leaders can still speak up against such people and condem them. The LibertarianTea Party leaders never did that against racism.
Mind you, they probably can't - either because they are racist themselves or because they know that most of their basis are racists and that they can't afford to alienate them.

It says you are from Germany, do you take moral responsibility for things others have done in Germany's name? I think you can either have free speech or you can take responsibility for every member's viewpoints. Lots of communists have attended and participated in many liberal causes, and the more moderate among them didn't ask too many questions. I think whats important is that the rallies don't become about racism, either they aren't taken over by racists, or the participants don't spend most of their time condemning racism among their own participants. The purpose of the Tea Party is to oppose high taxes, and the more time it spends examining its member's views under a microscope, as the opposition would like, the less time it has for its main purpose which is opposing high taxes. The founding fathers of the United States also did not spend much time and rancor opposing slavery, it concentrated on winning independence first and saved that other struggle for later.

You've got it backwards. My argument was that an organization has to take responsibility for it's members - which the Tea Party does not do.
Now, i could dwell on the differences between a state and an organization - but YES, Germany DOES take responsibility for the actions of it's citizens. So does every state - break it's laws and you get in trouble.
The Tea Party apparently has no "law" against racism - which is just as bad as not punishing it, given the equal results.

And besides, we are talking about actions here, not about thoughts. Show me a non-communist organization that has a large number of members that repeatedly wave communist signs at rallies (of course, you propably can't see the difference between socialism and communism).
But you can find tons of racist signs and statements from members of the Tea Party. And their leaders do not only not condemn it, they support it!

Besides - the Tea Party is not about opposing high taxes - simply because there ARE no high taxes in the USA. Generally, taxation in the USA is as bad of a joke as many other policies when compared to the rest of the first world.
The Tea Party is solely an anti-Obama movement.

[Instant Sunrise]

Ladies and gentlemen, TeaParty.Org founder, Dale Robertson:

[Serafina]

That's not only racist but also incredibly stupid and wrong - because, you know, that taxmoney is actually spent FOR YOUR BENEFIT. AND you are free to move to another country - and in many countries you don't even have to work to survive - you certainly don't get whipped to death when you don't.

So, let's compare:
TAXPAYER:___________________________SLAVE:
Pays part of his money_________________No money at all
That money is spend for his benefit_______Gets only part of the worth of his work in return
Has a lot of freedom____________________No freedom at all
Can leave when he wants________________Can not leave at all

Yeah, they are totally the same or at least comparable

[kouchpotato]

Bwahaha that's actually hilarious. If you're going to use a slur against someone atleast learn to spell it right.

[Coyote]

You've got it backwards. My argument was that an organization has to take responsibility for it's members - which the Tea Party does not do.

They get around that by not really being an actual cohesive organization, with rules, a common agenda, or a representative leadership. The Tea Party is a collection of any and every "anti-government" activist on the Conservative Right, no matter what their "anti-government" motivations may be. So some really are, for example, simply small-government Libertarian types; whereas just as many are closet Nazis.

Many people and groups have tried to claim the mantle of being "national Tea Party" leaders/representatives/organizations but they get as much dislike from fellow Teabaggers as they get support. Some Teabaggers want to run as Tea Party political candidates and replace Republicans who aren't conservative enough for their tastes; while other Teabaggers seek to undermine "tea Party Candidates" because they siphon votes away from electable Republicans.

They are united only by one thing-- an anti-government mindset. Beyond that they are a very loose and wide coalition. They can vary from town to town as much as state to state.

[Night_stalker]

Ladies and gentlemen, TeaParty.Org founder, Dale Robertson:

Wow. Just wow, and he wonders why NOBODY supports him? I mean, it's not like he's racist, or he's trying to complain about high taxes when taxes are at their lowest since the 1950s! Mr. Robertson, just stop talking. It's obvious that you're NOT getting any votes, so just stop with the desperate PR campaigns alright?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Modern racists are frequently deeply racist but tacitly unconsciously, and the racist troglodyte who wrote the screed probably honestly thought it was no horribly offensive, tactless, and tone-deaf to racism-as-actually-heard by the victim. In any case, this is not news, since Tea Partiers have repeatedly indicated that people kept educated, out of poverty, alive in the hospital, nourished while in elementary school, etc. can get fucked and drop dead. That is much more profoundly sadistic and obscene than implicitly offending racial sensitives (not that the latter is acceptable, it is just the cherry, not the banana split).

[Razorgeist]

Are they trying to be clever by spelling nigger with an A?

[bobalot]

Holy shit, I'm gone for a day and this abortion of a thread continues. This retard NEVER provides any actual evidence for anything he claims other than his say so.

I'm still waiting for him to explain why the NAACP should be concerned with "high taxes" and "big government". When asked to actually explain this, the guy makes EVEN MORE unverified claims.

[Frank Hipper]

Are they trying to be clever by spelling nigger with an A?

Perhaps he's laboring under the delusion that the root word of "niggardly" is "niggar", and is therefore socially acceptable...

[The Spartan]

Which still doesn't make any sense because niggardly means "stingy" or "miserly" and it's root, niggard, would mean a miser.

Which has nothing to do with being under the hold of a slave owner.

[Tanasinn]

Are they trying to be clever by spelling nigger with an A?

Who ever heard of a clever right-winger?

No, he just can't spell. Not much of a surprise, though.

[General Zod]

Looks like the teabaggers finally caved under pressure.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38299783/ns/politics/

WASHINGTON — The Tea Party political movement saw a major split over the weekend, with the National Tea Party Federation expelling a member group after its spokesman wrote an online post satirizing a fictional letter from what he called "Colored People" to President Abraham Lincoln.

On its website, the federation stated it had given the Tea Party Express, through direct contact with one of its leaders, a deadline to rebuke and remove spokesman Mark Williams.

"That leader's response was clear: they have no intention of taking the action we required for their group to continue as a member of the National Tea Party Federation," the federation stated.

Therefore, effective immediately the National Tea Party Federation is expelling Tea Party Express from the ranks of our membership."

Federation spokesman David Webb, interviewed Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation," called the blog post "clearly offensive."

Williams, who said his letter was satirical, started it like this: "Dear Mr. Lincoln, We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"

"Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn't that what we want all Coloreds to strive for?" he added. "What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us Coloreds!"

A conservative talk radio host, Williams later removed the post as criticism grew.

Williams' post was a reply to a resolution by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) earlier this month that called on Tea Party leaders to "repudiate the racist element and activities" within the political movement.

Immediately after the resolution, Williams said it was unfortunate that the NAACP had chosen to "profiteer off race-baiting and fear mongering" when it could be doing so much to help the black community.

He also questioned the motives of African-American leaders, suggesting they were taking advantage of the publicity the resolution generated.

"I'm not surprised they are jumping into the fray here because the NAACP just tapped a Gulf oil well full of cash contributions that will arrive from this resolution," Williams said. "And I know Al (Sharpton) and Jesse (Jackson, Jr.) want their piece of it. The slave traders of the 16th century should have been as good at exploiting Africans as these people are, because it's just disgusting."

On its website, the Tea Party Express does not say how many supporters it has, but on Facebook it has 600 followers.

The federation says 61 groups are members, and that it has "affiliate relationships" with 21 other groups.

[The Dark]

Not only by global standards - even by american standards. Like I posted on the last page: taxes on income are at their lowest since the 1950s.

To be fair, it was lower from 1988 to 1992 (between 28% and 31% top marginal bracket), but the bracket was much lower also - the top rate applied from around $30,000 in 1988-1990, and at around $85,000 in 1991-1992. The top bracket now takes effect at $311,950. Excluding that five year period, income tax rates are at their lowest since 1931, when the top bracket was 25% at $100,000 income.

The founding fathers of the United States also did not spend much time and rancor opposing slavery, it concentrated on winning independence first and saved that other struggle for later.

You show your ignorance of history yet again. The First Continental Congress (1774) passed a resolution to end the slave trade. The original draft of the Declaration of Independence included a condemnation of the slave trade, and it was a contentious point of debate during the Continental Congresses. South Carolina and Georgia insisted on removing that portion of the Declaration, whereas Virginia, North Carolina, and the northern states had supported it. Rhode Island and Pennsylvania had already established a ban on slavery by 1777 (Rhode Island by outlawing it in 1774, Pennsylvania by establishing a gradual emancipation plan that would end slavery by 1780). In 1778, Congress authorized the raising of a regiment of black soldiers to help fight in the southern campaign around Savannah. The Privy Council of South Carolina attempted to surrender Charleston to the British rather than permit Congress to raise the black troops. Yes, the details were saved for 1787, but the battle lines regarding the slave debate were clearly drawn in 1774.

[Tom_Kalbfus]

Holy shit, I'm gone for a day and this abortion of a thread continues. This retard NEVER provides any actual evidence for anything he claims other than his say so.

I'm still waiting for him to explain why the NAACP should be concerned with "high taxes" and "big government". When asked to actually explain this, the guy makes EVEN MORE unverified claims.

Because the NAACP is an arm of the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party wants to spend spend spend and run up deficits, and then raise taxes to solve them. The NAACP is like a sock puppet for the Democratic Party, whenever they want to smear somebody and call a person or organization racist it falls on the NAACP to do so.

I haven't heard much racism coming from the Tea Party, that's basically from the Democrats trumped up, and the use the NAACP as a sock puppet to give the charge an air of legitimacy as they are black people, then they should know racism when they see it, or so the theory goes, but mainly charges of racism are used primarily to shut people up. Someone starts demanding tax cuts, and some black person from the NAACP starts calling them racist, and they have colaborating witnesses get their story straight and say things like, "I heard someone in the tea party crowd use the N-word, saw a confederate flag and a swastika too." Yet photographic evidence is curiously lacking. There is the boy who cried wolf scenario, the word racist gets over used, and organizations that aren't particularly racist get smeared with that word based on someone's say so.

I've seen it all before with the attacks on Sara Palin, people make stuff up to smear her reputation, they say she's a seperatist, that she's getting a divorce, that her baby is not her own, the news media prints all sorts of unsubstantiated rumors without checking sources as there purpose is not to report the news but to smear, so I don't trust the traditional media as they lied too many times, omitted reporting other things that would prove embarrassing to the Obama Administration, so their credibility is very low when they begin reporting that so-in-so called so-in-so a racist at a tea party rally because some black congressman said so, and he wouldn't lie, would he?

[Einzige]

But I guess that's politically convenient for you to forget.

[Serafina]

Because the NAACP is an arm of the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party wants to spend spend spend and run up deficits, and then raise taxes to solve them. The NAACP is like a sock puppet for the Democratic Party, whenever they want to smear somebody and call a person or organization racist it falls on the NAACP to do so.

Ah, the standard right-wing nutter lie.
Look at the actual statistics, you should see that the Democrats are not generally running up higher deficits.

I haven't heard much racism coming from the Tea Party, that's basically from the Democrats trumped up, and the use the NAACP as a sock puppet to give the charge an air of legitimacy as they are black people, then they should know racism when they see it, or so the theory goes, but mainly charges of racism are used primarily to shut people up.

And rightfully so - a racist movement should have no political power. That's part of defending democracy.
As for not seeing racism from the Tea Party - you really must be blind if that statement was honest.

Someone starts demanding tax cuts, and some black person from the NAACP starts calling them racist, and they have colaborating witnesses get their story straight and say things like, "I heard someone in the tea party crowd use the N-word, saw a confederate flag and a swastika too." Yet photographic evidence is curiously lacking. There is the boy who cried wolf scenario, the word racist gets over used, and organizations that aren't particularly racist get smeared with that word based on someone's say so.

Hey, fucktard - present documentation for this happening, or retract your lie.
But of course, it must all be a fabrication by the evil black people

I've seen it all before with the attacks on Sara Palin, people make stuff up to smear her reputation, they say she's a seperatist, that she's getting a divorce, that her baby is not her own, the news media prints all sorts of unsubstantiated rumors without checking sources as there purpose is not to report the news but to smear, so I don't trust the traditional media as they lied too many times, omitted reporting other things that would prove embarrassing to the Obama Administration, so their credibility is very low when they begin reporting that so-in-so called so-in-so a racist at a tea party rally because some black congressman said so, and he wouldn't lie, would he?

Actually, the main attack on Palin was that she was a stupid, incompetent power hungry clueless ignorant fundamentalist airhead.
Remember, that woman gave us comedy gold like
-claiming that fruit-fly research is a waste of money
-that she was against a bridge she was actually supporting
-was unable to name a single newspaper she read
-was unable to name a single sup-court decision other than WadeVsRoe that she disagreed with
-Got the name of the commanding officer in Afghanistan wrong
-Thought that being able to see Russia gave her experience in foreign policy
and probably a lot of other stuff that i just forgot.
So ask yourself - was it wrong to call her incompetent, stupid and ignorant?

Semi-Edit:
Ah, thanks for that Einzige. Let's see what the little shithead has to say to that.
But in the future, please ensure that the pictures do not break the formating of the site.

[eion]

Einzige, awesome chart, but one question:

are those dollar values in local-time dollars or inflation-adjusted dollars?

I'm assumbing local-time dollars, but I just wanted to check.

Also, welcome back, Tom. Glad to see you haven't changed your story.

[Tom_Kalbfus]

...You've got it backwards. My argument was that an organization has to take responsibility for it's members - which the Tea Party does not do.
Now, i could dwell on the differences between a state and an organization - but YES, Germany DOES take responsibility for the actions of it's citizens. So does every state - break it's laws and you get in trouble.
The Tea Party apparently has no "law" against racism - which is just as bad as not punishing it, given the equal results.

And besides, we are talking about actions here, not about thoughts. Show me a non-communist organization that has a large number of members that repeatedly wave communist signs at rallies (of course, you propably can't see the difference between socialism and communism).
But you can find tons of racist signs and statements from members of the Tea Party. And their leaders do not only not condemn it, they support it!

Where? Haven't seen any. Your a German, so you should know some history on certain racist organizations, like the National Socialist Workers Party, under Hitler. So lets compare. Does the Tea Party have Storm Troopers? Does the Tea Party have Brown Shirts? Does the Tea Party talk about Racial Purity, does it examine each member's ancestry to determine if there is any "Jewish Blood"? Do they measure anyone's skulls for "racial inferiority"? No, I think not. What we're talking about is someone sneaking into a crowd and yelling "Heil Hitler" perhaps, or waving a Confederate Flag, but like UFO pictures, evidence is lacking, and I firmly believe in innocence until proven guilty. Now throwing around unsubstantiated accussations about racism is no better than doing so about Communist Associations.

Besides - the Tea Party is not about opposing high taxes - simply because there ARE no high taxes in the USA. Generally, taxation in the USA is as bad of a joke as many other policies when compared to the rest of the first world.
The Tea Party is solely an anti-Obama movement.

I firmly believe that the highest tax rate in the country should be no higher that 25% of one's income, that is local, state, and federal governments combined. Government is a necessary evil, but as an evil we should only have as much government as we need and spend not a penny more than necessary for things that only government can and should do. That 25% is how much of the economy that I think government operations should take up, barring national emergencies such as war for example. I do not think more that 25% of all the salaries paid should be in the government sector, and if government is doing things that private industry can do, then government should stop doing it. Government should keep their noses out of people's business, it should not mandate health insurance and then penalize people for not having it. I think tax money that is not spent towards a legitimate government responsibility designed to benefit society as a whole, can be considered stolen money. I think there should be a Contitutional limit on the percentage of one's income government can tax, and if it wants to increase revenue, it should do so by fostering economic growth rather than by taking a greater slice of one's income. Now as a German, you should know what real racism is, and Hitler is not largely regarded as infamous for his tax cuts, so the Tea Party and the Nazi Party obviously don't belong in the same category.

I believe there are certain individual problems that can't be solved by large organizations in a systematic way, the problem of unemployment is one, there will always be some people who are unemployed, sometimes the number goes up and sometimes it goes down, but there will always be some people who can't find work. I also believe there will always be racism and prejudice, some of it is institutional and can be eliminated by the institution, but if "Joe Smo" hates black people and attends a Tea Party rally, there is nothing you can do unless he proves disruptive to the gathering by starting fights and other stuff like that. Freedom of speech and freedom of thought are more important than freedom from racism. The Tea Party is a association, there is no rules master, no leader, no director, each meeting has an organizer, but it is not a political party. The Problem Democrats and Socialists is that they always expect everything to be organized from the top, they thing an organization should be composed of leaders and followers, the leaders issue "Marching orders" and the followers obey like good little troopers, but that is not how the Tea Party works, it is a grass roots organization composed of concerned citizens, most of whom gather because they don't like high taxes, their opponents rather than argue for higher taxes would rather change the subject and level charges of racism to get a good distraction.

[Einzige]

Local-time, yes.

And I like how Tom just ignores my chart as though it were never posted.

[D.Turtle]

I haven't heard much racism coming from the Tea Party, that's basically from the Democrats trumped up, and the use the NAACP as a sock puppet to give the charge an air of legitimacy as they are black people, then they should know racism when they see it, or so the theory goes, but mainly charges of racism are used primarily to shut people up. Someone starts demanding tax cuts, and some black person from the NAACP starts calling them racist, and they have colaborating witnesses get their story straight and say things like, "I heard someone in the tea party crowd use the N-word, saw a confederate flag and a swastika too." Yet photographic evidence is curiously lacking. There is the boy who cried wolf scenario, the word racist gets over used, and organizations that aren't particularly racist get smeared with that word based on someone's say so.

I love how you ignored the picture of Dale Roberts a few posts up, but here are some more signs from Tea Party protests:






(ATM sign on the right)


No racism at all there ...

I firmly believe that the highest tax rate in the country should be no higher that 25% of one's income, that is local, state, and federal governments combined. Government is a necessary evil, but as an evil we should only have as much government as we need and spend not a penny more than necessary for things that only government can and should do. That 25% is how much of the economy that I think government operations should take up, barring national emergencies such as war for example.