Prince George of Cambridge

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

I wanted Stephen.
There's only been one King Stephen (grandson of Willie the Conqueror)

I was rooting for Æthelræd. Nice and traditional.

[Ultonius]

Prince George will be one week old as of the minute this is posted. There's no official word on a Christening date, as far as I know, but the media consensus is that it'll be sometime in the Autumn, after the Queen has returned from Balmoral.

[Ultonius]

Prince George's birth was registered a few days ago - BBC

2 August 2013 Last updated at 17:13

Prince George's birth officially registered

The Duke and and Duchess of Cambridge have formally registered the birth of their son, Prince George.

Westminster City Council registrar Alison Cathcart travelled to Kensington Palace, where Prince William signed the birth register entry.

The Duke and Duchess gave their occupation as prince and princess of the United Kingdom in the register entry from which the birth certificate is produced.

Prince George was born on 22 July.

His full name of George Alexander Louis was announced two days later. He is third in line to the throne, behind his grandfather Prince Charles and his father, Prince William.

In a statement issued on Friday, Kensington Palace said: "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have formally registered the birth of Prince George.

"The Duke of Cambridge signed the birth register at Kensington Palace this morning, witnessed by a Registrar from Westminster Register Office."

The couple's "usual address" was listed as Kensington Palace, and the duchess's place of birth was listed as Reading.

A Kensington Palace spokesman said royal birth certificates conventionally featured the words prince and princess of the United Kingdom, or comparable formulations, as the parents' occupations.

Although Catherine uses the title Duchess of Cambridge, bestowed upon her by the Queen, she is also a princess by marriage and can be called Princess William of Wales.

I recently noticed that Prince George's birthday and Queen Victoria's death date are exactly six months apart, which is an odd coincidence.

[Hillary]

I love the idea of being able to put 'Prince' or 'Princess' as your occupation on the birth certificate. Fairly cool.

[Ultonius]

Not directly related to the birth of Prince George, but hopefully still relevant enough: the son of Prince Michael of Kent (the Queen's cousin), Lord Frederick Windsor and his wife, the actress Sophie Winkleman, have just had a baby.

Telegraph

Prince and Princess Michael of Kent's first grandchild is named 'Maud'
Actress Sophie Winkleman and husband Lord Frederick Windsor have named their new baby daughter Maud Elizabeth Daphne Marina.

12:50AM BST 16 Aug 2013

The baby was born on Thursday in Los Angeles, where the couple are based, at the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Centre and weighed 7lb.

Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, who have become grandparents for the first time, issued a statement on behalf of their son and daughter-in-law announcing the name of their granddaughter.

The statement said: "The names chosen by Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor for their daughter are Maud Elizabeth Daphne Marina."

The proud grandparents also said in a statement that Lord Windsor was present at the birth of his daughter.

The statement added: "Prince and Princess Michael of Kent's family and Sophie's family have been informed and are delighted with the news."



The new royal baby follows the birth of Prince George, born to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge last month.

The baby girl is 42nd in line to the throne, and the Queen, who is a cousin of Prince Michael, has been told of the news.

Ms Winkleman, 33, who has starred in the TV sitcoms Peep Show and Two And A Half Men, married Lord Windsor, 34, at Hampton Court in September 2009.

They live in Los Angeles where he works as a financial analyst and she is pursuing her acting career.

The Cambridge-educated actress is the daughter of children’s book author Cindy Black and the half-sister of TV presenter Claudia Winkleman.

This birth is something of a milestone, since I believe that Maud is the first male-line descendant of George V, and the highest person in the line of succession, to be born in America. The next-highest American-born person in the line of succession is Tewa Lascelles, the great-grandson of Mary, Princess Royal, the daughter of George V, who married Henry Lascelles, the 6th Earl of Harewood. Tewa was born in New Mexico in 1985, and funnily enough also seems to live in California, though I'd be surprised if he and Lord Frederick have ever met.

[Broomstick]

So... the child is an American citizen by virtue of being born in the US as well as a British citizen, which means that if some tragic and awful thing occurred that put that child on the throne the monarch of the United Kingdom would also be an American by birth....

Naw, will never happen.

[Gandalf]

So... the child is an American citizen by virtue of being born in the US as well as a British citizen, which means that if some tragic and awful thing occurred that put that child on the throne the monarch of the United Kingdom would also be an American by birth....

Naw, will never happen.

They could run for president, and thus try to undo George Washington's mistakes.

You could have the Queen on your money, the metric system, and cricket!

[Raw Shark]

So... the child is an American citizen by virtue of being born in the US as well as a British citizen, which means that if some tragic and awful thing occurred that put that child on the throne the monarch of the United Kingdom would also be an American by birth....

Naw, will never happen.

That is the exact premise of the 1990's slobs-vs-snobs comedy King Ralph, starring John Goodman, for what that's worth...

[Broomstick]

Yes, and I enjoyed that movie.

[Alyrium Denryle]

I wanted Stephen.
There's only been one King Stephen (grandson of Willie the Conqueror)

I was rooting for Æthelræd. Nice and traditional.

Flip a coin for civil war or inexplicable viking invasion in 3...2...1...*Flip*

[Gandalf]

Yes, and I enjoyed that movie.

Everyone enjoyed it. Such is the power of John Goodman.

[Ultonius]

So... the child is an American citizen by virtue of being born in the US as well as a British citizen, which means that if some tragic and awful thing occurred that put that child on the throne the monarch of the United Kingdom would also be an American by birth....

Naw, will never happen.

Yes, I had meant to point out that Maud would be an American citizen by birth, but it slipped my mind while posting. I agree with you that it's extremely unlikely that she will ever be queen. She's already 42nd in line to the throne, and will be bumped down to 45th once Zara Phillips gives birth in January, and when the Succession to the Crown Act and its counterparts in the other Commonwealth realms come into force, restoring her grandfather Prince Michael and his nephew the Earl of St Andrews, who both married Catholics but did not themselves convert, to the line of succession.

If in the next few years Prince William has more children, and Prince Harry and Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie get married and have children, she will probably move even further down. However, such new births may be balanced out if certain people above her remove themselves from the line of succession by being confirmed as Catholics. The two eldest children of the Earl of St Andrews have already been confirmed, and his youngest daughter, Lady Amelia Windsor, may do so as well. The earl's brother, Lord Nicholas Windsor, is himself Catholic, and his sons Albert and Leopold, already baptized as Catholics, will almost certainly be confirmed once they are old enough.

[LadyTevar]

Oh yes, England will not tolerate another Catholic on the throne.

[Ultonius]

Oh yes, England will not tolerate another Catholic on the throne.

I wouldn't put it in quite those terms. These days it's really more about tradition, than any sense of bigotry (except maybe among some Northern Irish and Scottish Loyalists). The monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, and, while only an ordinary member of the Church of Scotland, swears to maintain and preserve it. A Catholic monarch might not be able to carry out these duties in good conscience, and so allowing Catholics to succeed to the throne would probably require the disestablishment of the Church of England, which would bring complications of its own.

I would also say that it isn't really true that, as someone in the Richard III skeleton thread said, that the monarchy 'loses its shit over Catholicism'. While they can't succeed to the throne, Lord Nicholas and the others are otherwise treated no differently than Anglican members of the royal family. They still get invited to family events such as Trooping the Colour, for example. Senior Catholic clergy, such as the Archbishops of England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, are invited to events such as royal weddings and coronations (they declined to attend the last two of the latter, though that could well change for the next one). Interestingly enough, the coronation service is planned by a Catholic: the Duke of Norfolk, the most senior non-royal peer, as hereditary Earl Marshal.

[Jerry the Vampire]

I think a catholic monarch will piss off the northern Irish and some Scottish people.

[Hillary]

There's also the small problem of the Monarch being the head of the Church of England

[Ultonius]

I think a catholic monarch will piss off the northern Irish and some Scottish people.

Isn't that almost exactly what I said in the bracketed part of my second sentence?

[Zaune]

Well, you can't please everyone. At most the C of E might ask that someone else stand in as Supreme Governor for the duration, but then again I imagine the role of Supreme Governor is mostly to sign on the dotted line where the General Synod tells... ahem, politely asks them to, so they might not mind all that much.

[Jerry the Vampire]

I think a catholic monarch will piss off the northern Irish and some Scottish people.

Isn't that almost exactly what I said in the bracketed part of my second sentence?

Yes but for some reason I completely ignored the part where you mentioned Northern Irish.

[Ultonius]

Sorry, I meant to post this earlier. Hello Magazine did a photoshoot and interview at the beginning of September giving us our first look at Maud with her parents and paternal grandparents. The full photoshoot seems to only be available in print, but some photos have appeared on the internet.