Rampage shooting in Santa Barbara by misogynist 22-yo.

[Channel72]

This guy isn't even bad looking. What the hell was the problem?

Oh right... he had "Anakin Skywalker" syndrome, it seems. What a whiny shithead.

The hilarious thing is that this moron thinks he pulled off something of cosmic importance. Nobody will even remember this idiot and his SoCal shooting spree in like, 2 weeks from now. Meanwhile, Osama Bin Laden did hundreds of times the damage for even stupider reasons, and will likely be remembered for centuries.

[His Divine Shadow]

Yeah it's a bit "Oh woe is me my life is so sad and empty", said the 22 year old white male without any handicaps or physical deformities as he stepped into his BMW on California beach and drove away to kill people.

[Channel72]

Moral conundrum: should Google remove all of his silly rantings from their servers? You decide.

[Zixinus]

Moral conundrum: should Google remove all of his silly rantings from their servers? You decide.

Depends on whether they violate existing rules.

But if it doesn't somehow, there isn't really a point (though they might do it anyway out of PR concerns and such). The people that made an echo-chamber for his ideas will still exist and have access to his ramblings either way.

[PainRack]

I.... Getting the feeling in this thread that we're ignoring how.... Crippling loneliness can be for a human being and how destructive it can be, to self or others.

I suspect the truth is that ultimately, he was lonely, a situation aggravated by his Aspergers and he coped by becoming misogynistic. Nobody ever says self coping mechanism can't be self destructive and in this case, it ultimately promoted his behavior in a downward spiral.

It's kinda scary because it happened despite professional therapy. My view is the opposite of Eleas. Instead of Elliot being the tip of an iceberg of women hating men, I see Elliot as a very violent example of hundreds of thousands of lonely people.

From cat ladies to suicidal to this. And let's honestly face it. He WAS suicidal, it's just that he belonged to that special group of people who decided to be suicidal by taking others with him.


Hell,just witnessed the Taiwan subway stabbing rampage which occurred just DAYS before this. Remove the rich son privileges, remove the different justifications(I can't get laid) vs (nobody notices me) and they just another media example of how loneliness harms human beings.


But sadly, Elliot case just reinforces how helpless our society is towards social misfits, in his case, he found a niche of people just like him and despite receiving professional therapy.... Couldn't move away from his self destructive trap.

[Metahive]

I.... Getting the feeling in this thread that we're ignoring how.... Crippling loneliness can be for a human being and how destructive it can be, to self or others.

You know, from what I picked up by descending into the pit of vipers that are boards dedicated to loveshies and other such specimen, those people are probably lonely because they are incredibly immature, repulsive and obnoxious which tends to put other people off. Maybe, just maybe being a passive-aggressive asshole with severe entitlement issues is the real problem here and something for the loveshies themselves to work on?

[ray245]

I.... Getting the feeling in this thread that we're ignoring how.... Crippling loneliness can be for a human being and how destructive it can be, to self or others.

You know, from what I picked up by descending into the pit of vipers that are boards dedicated to loveshies and other such specimen, those people are probably lonely because they are incredibly immature, repulsive and obnoxious which tends to put other people off. Maybe, just maybe being a passive-aggressive asshole with severe entitlement issues is the real problem here and something for the loveshies themselves to work on?

But there's hardly anything that society is doing to actually aid these people in a positive way. The majority of them already have problems socialising, and if society is going to tell them to fuck themselves, why would these people change for the better? It would just reinforce the perception about the rest of society is against them.

[Zaune]

Exactly. If we deal with people like this by ignoring them and hoping they'll go away, things like this are going to keep happening.

[Metahive]

How do you "deal" with people whose main flaw is that they have a terrible character?

[ray245]

How do you "deal" with people whose main flaw is that they have a terrible character?

If ignoring them because of their horrible character is going to lead some of them losing it and going on a rampage or committing suicide, then this isn't the ideal solution.

[Metahive]

How do you "deal" with people whose main flaw is that they have a terrible character?

If ignoring them because of their horrible character is going to lead some of them losing it and going on a rampage or committing suicide, then this isn't the ideal solution.

Which is not an answer to my question. "We gotta' do something" is all fine and dandy, but I'm more interested in specific proposals.

So, how do you "deal" with these people?

[ray245]

How do you "deal" with people whose main flaw is that they have a terrible character?

If ignoring them because of their horrible character is going to lead some of them losing it and going on a rampage or committing suicide, then this isn't the ideal solution.

Which is not an answer to my question. "We gotta' do something" is all fine and dandy, but I'm more interested in specific proposals.

So, how do you "deal" with these people?

Sex therapy? If I recall Japan has a pretty big issue regarding the growing numbers of young adults that have yet to have sex way beyond an age which some western countries would be considered as normal. One of the various response towards such an issue is the growing number of sex therapist that helps young males especially connect better with people of the opposite gender.

[General Zod]

Sex therapy? If I recall Japan has a pretty big issue regarding the growing numbers of young adults that have yet to have sex way beyond an age which some western countries would be considered as normal. One of the various response towards such an issue is the growing number of sex therapist that helps young males especially connect better with people of the opposite gender.

That sort of exists in the US, but good luck convincing the law that it's not just another form of prostitution. It's also not cheap, and it's something people like Elliott would have trouble affording.

[ray245]

Sex therapy? If I recall Japan has a pretty big issue regarding the growing numbers of young adults that have yet to have sex way beyond an age which some western countries would be considered as normal. One of the various response towards such an issue is the growing number of sex therapist that helps young males especially connect better with people of the opposite gender.

That sort of exists in the US, but good luck convincing the law that it's not just another form of prostitution. It's also not cheap, and it's something people like Elliott would have trouble affording.

Wasn't Elliot from a pretty well-off family? His father is a movie producer and he can afford a pretty expensive BMW.

[General Zod]

Doesn't mean his family would be willing to spring for what most people would see as a glorified prostitute. Anything sex related still gets heavily stigmatized over here.

[Crazedwraith]

How about just regular therapy then? Sounds like it could have done some good.

It's all very well saying 'oh he had a shitty personality there's nothing that can be done.' How did he end up with a shitty personality in the first place? And can we change that?

[General Zod]

How about just regular therapy then? Sounds like it could have done some good.

Er, per all of the articles he's been seeing therapists his whole life.

[Metahive]

Sex therapy? If I recall Japan has a pretty big issue regarding the growing numbers of young adults that have yet to have sex way beyond an age which some western countries would be considered as normal. One of the various response towards such an issue is the growing number of sex therapist that helps young males especially connect better with people of the opposite gender.

They could have sex any time they wanted just by hiring a hooker, but that's not what they want.

They want a steady girlfriend, one that puts up with their obnoxious and entitled character and even caters to it. How's sex therapy going to cure that? I would advise you to actually hold your breath and read what those people write on Loveshy forums yourself as odious as it is.

[ray245]

Doesn't mean his family would be willing to spring for what most people would see as a glorified prostitute. Anything sex related still gets heavily stigmatized over here.

So the US society pushes people into having sex as early as possible, and when some young males couldn't achieve that, the same society think it is a good idea to take away some of the possible solutions to resolve their sexual conflicts?

They could have sex any time they wanted just by hiring a hooker, but that's not what they want.

They want a steady girlfriend, one that puts up with their obnoxious and entitled character and even caters to it. How's sex therapy going to cure that? I would advise you to actually hold your breath and read what those people write on Loveshy forums yourself as odious as it is.

But sex therapy isn't the same as hiring a prostitute from what I understand. It seems like sex therapy is more about helping people to come to terms with proper understanding of the opposite genders, and healthy sexual relationship. I highly doubt that a prostitutes will actually bother with aiding young males on resolving such issues.

[Grumman]

How did he end up with a shitty personality in the first place?

Obviously he had a severe case of affluenza.

[Vendetta]

Which is not an answer to my question. "We gotta' do something" is all fine and dandy, but I'm more interested in specific proposals.

So, how do you "deal" with these people?

They need to be engaged with as human beings in order to break down their current understanding of personal value and build up a better understanding which isn't based on appearance, owning stuff, or having had sex.

What some people are seeing from his videos about how he's got all the "right things", looks, dress, car, etc. is that he's a narcissist.

What might be there is that he literally did not know what he was doing wrong. If, as Broomstick says, he set off the creepermeter he didn't know that, and he didn't know how to not do it because he's the weird kid who no-one engages with.

Reading this article in The Independent it certainly sounds like he's a kid who never grew up with any kind of strong social ties, those he had as a young child were broken when he moved to the US, and shortly thereafter also not having positive relationships with his parents.

So, he was the creeper, the weird kid, and he didn't know why and no-one would engage with him or be friends with him so he never learned how not to be that.

[Channel72]

What might warrant further study is why in certain people, social rejection causes anger and desire for vengeance, instead of merely depression or sadness. Women have rejected me many times... it doesn't make me angry, just temporarily sad.

[Lagmonster]

This would be a good time to point out that a CNN article has a quote from someone who knew the killer who claimed that his mental illness was well known, and that the guy had been seeing a therapist regularly since he was 8 years old.

At some point, the best answer isn't that he didn't get enough hugs, but rather that the guy was just ball-twistingly crazy. If he hadn't decided it was pretty girls who were his enemy, I'll wager he'd have simply latched on to some other outlet instead.

[Korgeta]

I have to wonder if, in real life, these guys manage to set off the CreeperMeter of every woman they encounter, thus why no woman wants to touch them.

Pretty much, sometimes or often it is unintentional practically to those who have Asperger's because lack of self-realization of their actions or 'reality' I imagine there will be questions on where was the support he had for that, if he got any or did he turn it down etc? His understanding of things proarbly didn't help because he was the son of a wealthy and successful director who met A-listers on the red carpet and likely thought he already had self-entitlement. (Of course that seems to be the case for some people as well, mainly those who think they can trespass onto a restricted area because they hold a plastic badge with their name on!)

Anyway, there is only so much I can sympathize with Asperger's as a reason for his own downfall, with a degree of planning this person has done in carrying out his crime and intentionally deceiving police, rather then be honest that he has issues interacting with women he chose to seek refuge by using the internet to try and immortalise himself by videos, dubious websites, and allowed himself to freefall to disgrace by his own actions, not thinking that his parents will have to pick up the pieces of his actions.

However getting someone to admit to that is difficult, when I was working at a mental health hospital, I reported one patient about his use of playing resident evil (RE3) it wasn't the violence (oddly enough) it was because he developed a perverse gratification for getting the character positioned in front of a zombie and jerking off when he did it, upto that point nobody knew the patient had any sexual behaviour issues, he turned the TV off to other staff but not when I was around because he essentially thought domestics were to clean 'his' property. Of course once his room was inspected improvised shiv's were found to show he was gearing himself up for a possible attack on staff, and is being looked after male staff since. Point is there is only so much therapy can help someone, it can be provided but unless the other person is willing to have the help, to break away from his comfort zone then there isn't much that can be done.

[Starglider]

They need to be engaged with as human beings in order to break down their current understanding of personal value and build up a better understanding which isn't based on appearance, owning stuff, or having had sex.

It sounds like you are suggesting schools teach a few 'humanist philosophy' classes. Not a bad idea but alas pretty much politically impossible.