Horrors of War: All-negative Pic Thread

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-30 04:02am

The dead American commando. Publishing this picture caused a hacker attack on the Al-Jaz site.
http://www.vokruginfo.ru/pixs/1048691965-0.jpg
Other victims of war:
http://www.vokruginfo.ru/pixs/1048519999-1.jpg
This is all too bad, after a bombing run over Basra. Don't watch if you dislike severely wounded children. It's an AP photo.
http://www.aljazeera.net/news/arabic/2003/3/3-22-26.htm
The Al-Jaz website link for civilian victim photos. It's overloaded hugely, and Al-Jaz can be down for sometime due to American "hacker propaganda" attacks like this one:
http://www.vokruginfo.ru/pixs/1048783108-1.gif

More to come soon. The bodycount is inevitably reaching half thousand civilian victims.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-30 04:06am

The dead American soldiers and POWs. The screens which Americans were not allowed to see on their TV.
http://cm.emptyspaces.net/war/aljazeera/

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-31 05:13am

From http://www.bushspeaks.com
http://www.bushspeaks.com/images/burnt_iraqi_child.jpg

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-03-31 05:55am

Actually it was not a commando, he was a Marine, I believe he was an Immagrant from Venuzula. I saw a thing about him on CSPAN. I found the videos on www.consumptionjunction.com around when they came out. (PS go to consumptionjunction at your own risk)

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-31 05:58am

Sam Or I
Yes, thanks for correcting my mistake.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-04-01 02:49am

http://pics.utro.ru/utro_photos/gallery ... ion/11.jpg
One dies, others cry.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-04-01 03:02pm

I think this is a legitimate thread, and I think Stas Bush is doing much better at contributing to the community rather than just attacking in random or silly fashion.

That said, it is obvious that Stas and I are on opposite sides of the political fence on this issue. That's fine.

But Stas, like it has been pointed out, we all know that war is bad, these photos don't really show anything we didn't already know/expect. It is very unfortunate that these people got hurt but I say again, had the dictator Saddam Hussein acted in a civil or humane fashion from the beginning this would not have been the case.

Bear in mind also--
Many of these photos could well be file photos from Kurdish massacres.
Al-Jazeera is not exactly an unbiased source, there is "Arab Jingoism" too.
Iraqi civilians were warned by leaflets to stay out of the fight.
The Iraqis are ignoring the Geneva Convention entirely.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-04-01 08:47pm

Another one from "Bush Speaks"
http://www.bushspeaks.com/images/iraqi_boy_hurt.jpg

The bodycount is inevitably reaching 1.000 civilian victims.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-04-01 11:05pm

Stas Bush wrote:The Pic thread seems all to positive. It looks like in the pic thread war is shown like some heroic deed. I grow sick of "welcome Coalition" and "smiling Iraqis".
Let's just show something not everyone likes to see. This is the all-negative Pic thread. Feel free to post and discuss.

How dare you use images of people killed and injured in combat to further your political agenda. You make me sick.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-04-01 11:14pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Stas Bush wrote:The Pic thread seems all to positive. It looks like in the pic thread war is shown like some heroic deed. I grow sick of "welcome Coalition" and "smiling Iraqis".
Let's just show something not everyone likes to see. This is the all-negative Pic thread. Feel free to post and discuss.
How dare you use images of people killed and injured in combat to further your political agenda. You make me sick.

How about we have a bit of equality.

Its freedom of press and speech.

If you don't like it, ignore the thread, but unfortunately, people are still dying in the real world, despite what Fox might say.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-04-01 11:18pm

Stas Bush wrote:Sam Or I
Yes, thanks for correcting my mistake.

No problem, I did not mean it in an assulting way, or nitpicking, just to make it clear. I just want to point out that each of lost people (on bothsides) has a story. War is a very Sad thing. I do agree we should show negitive images. Even after reviewing all these, I still think the US is doing the right thing. (Who knows if the reasons are right or not) And thank you for starting the thread, even though we stand on oppisite sides. Lives are being lost, and we should never forget that.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-04-01 11:21pm

weemadando wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
Stas Bush wrote:The Pic thread seems all to positive. It looks like in the pic thread war is shown like some heroic deed. I grow sick of "welcome Coalition" and "smiling Iraqis".
Let's just show something not everyone likes to see. This is the all-negative Pic thread. Feel free to post and discuss.
How dare you use images of people killed and injured in combat to further your political agenda. You make me sick.
How about we have a bit of equality.

Its freedom of press and speech.

If you don't like it, ignore the thread, but unfortunately, people are still dying in the real world, despite what Fox might say.

In other words, you think it's acceptable to use the deaths of other people to further your political agenda TOWARDS A PARTICULAR WAR, rather than against all war in general? That goes beyond freedom of speech and press. Moreover, the freedoms that the press has are highly limited. I kind of work in that industry. If any member of the press were to publish some of those portraits, we would be fined and could even be shut down for violating the rights of the victim's families. Moreover, the publication of such images does violate a number of international laws for the press corps.

Finally, the publication of the images of those slain is not permitted for the purposes of advancing an incident-specific political agenda. In other words, you can publish them to protest war in general, however if you publish them to target a PARTICULAR war you can be held in violation of moral and legal codes of conduct.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-02 12:10am

Master of Ossus wrote:In other words, you think it's acceptable to use the deaths of other people to further your political agenda TOWARDS A PARTICULAR WAR, rather than against all war in general? That goes beyond freedom of speech and press. Moreover, the freedoms that the press has are highly limited. I kind of work in that industry. If any member of the press were to publish some of those portraits, we would be fined and could even be shut down for violating the rights of the victim's families. Moreover, the publication of such images does violate a number of international laws for the press corps.

Finally, the publication of the images of those slain is not permitted for the purposes of advancing an incident-specific political agenda. In other words, you can publish them to protest war in general, however if you publish them to target a PARTICULAR war you can be held in violation of moral and legal codes of conduct.

That's all well and good, but America hasn't done any of that. And this (SD.net) is not a press outlet. The public display of pictures is not illegal, at least not as far as I can tell. The media can't display pictures of dead soldiers, because that is in (pending) violation of the Geneeva convention. But as far as private citizens goes, the general consensus is "go nuts." That's why websites like Consumption Junction are still in business: They're a web-based media source, not affiliated with any major corporation, and not mass-producing and distributing images of dead soldiers. They're still in the private sector. As was Stas Bush in the OP.

That's my take on it, anyway.[/url]

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-02 12:22am

While I agree that the photos could be construed as tasteless, there is surprisingly little propagandizing going on as a result of them. No one, for example, is trying to use these photos as proof that the Americans are deliberately targeting civilian neighbourhoods. They merely depict the reality of war, which people should always be mindful of.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-04-02 12:46am

There seems to be precious little realization that the casualties could be caused by either side, and that if they were in fact caused by the Iraqi military, many people would be killed just like that even if there were not a war.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-04-02 02:15am

Master of Ossus
I see no propaganda in showing the realities of war, and many have posted here pictures from other wars, too.
The purpose of the thread is merely to show the facts in visual form, so people can remember that about 700 dead is not a just a number, it's a 3-stored pile of bodies.
How you react is up to you.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-04-02 04:31am

Some new stuff from Al-Jazeera:
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images ... 78_1_6.jpg
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images ... 84_1_6.jpg
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images ... 89_1_6.jpg
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images ... 90_1_6.jpg
Watch this one on your own risk:
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images ... 51_1_6.jpg

Some old stuff from the first Gulf War:
http://vokruginfo.ru/pixs/1043078774-0.jpg
US troops gather bodies using a bulldozer. Comes from here:
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt_index.html
All the baddest photos of Gulf War. Sadly, this shots are not of Hussein's crimes.
http://www.vokruginfo.ru/pixs/10009902121.jpg
I won't even say what THIS is. Guess yourself.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-04-02 10:46pm

Stas Bush wrote:Master of Ossus
I see no propaganda in showing the realities of war, and many have posted here pictures from other wars, too.
The purpose of the thread is merely to show the facts in visual form, so people can remember that about 700 dead is not a just a number, it's a 3-stored pile of bodies.
How you react is up to you.

In other words, you deny that the thread was motivated by a political purpose, despite your statement of purpose in the first post of this thread?

You're not trying to depict the horrors of war, as Al Jazeera was reputably doing when it published these images. You're just trying to make a statement that this war is unacceptable, which is illegal for a press release and morally reprehensible. If you'll examine the first post you made to start this thread, you'll see the obviously political motivation behind this. You decide to temper war-talk of THIS WAR with these images, with no mention whatsoever of OTHER wars, or explanation that this is why ALL wars are evil. This is, thus, deemed propoganda which is both reprehensible and morally unjustifiable. You're just using the images of the dead to further your own political agenda towards this single war.

GUTB · Post by **GUTB** » 2003-04-02 11:22pm

The Coaliton invaded Iraqi. The CIS simply walked into Chechnya, under the political pretense of a police action.

The Coalition has yet to face a real Grozny.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-02 11:59pm

Here's one: http://www.iraqwar.ru/show_image.php?id=206

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-03 12:03am

Master of Ossus wrote:<snip>You're just using the images of the dead to further your own political agenda towards this single war.

Which, IMHO, is sick and wrong.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-04-03 12:04am

Gone.

fgalkin, you know I like you, but don't you EVER post anything on this board like this message again. Understand?

-Master of Ossus

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-03 12:42am

Seeming as someone has called for the other thread to be locked I may as well post this here before some over zealous mod beats me to it.

http://scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=warimages

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-03 12:49am

Spyder wrote:Seeming as someone has called for the other thread to be locked I may as well post this here before some over zealous mod beats me to it.

http://scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=warimages

Yet another example of using the dead and injured to push a personal belief. Quite tasteless.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-03 12:59am

Nathan F wrote:
Yet another example of using the dead and injured to push a personal belief. Quite tasteless.

All I'm doing is passing on what many media outlets are hiding. How you interpret it is up to you.

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