[Op-Ed] Bring Back Dueling!

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Re: [Op-Ed] Bring Back Dueling!

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U.P. Cinnabar wrote: Not even then. The potential use of such a legality as a "get out of jail free" card is just too much for the law to even be on the books. We've already seen the various stand your ground laws abused in just this fashion.
Really? How hard could it be to set up a standard where you have to get a notarized statement signed by both parties to the effect of "We are going to duel and hereby absolve the other of any legal responsibility if we should die in the process of [insert agreed upon parameters]"?

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She would kill you in a duel. She would dress like a man to do it if necessary.

She would kill anyone (unless we have some champion fencers/HEMA practitioners I don't know about, anyway) on this board in a duel, pretty much ten times out of ten. She once killed three noblemen in duels in one night.

She also took money to challenge people to duels in which they had no hope of beating her. If duelling were legal today, she'd happily take Trump's money, go to appropriate social events, or simply ambush them on the street and provoke Obama, Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, Jeb Bush, whoever you want to name, into a duel with her, and they would die. She was something called a Professional Duellist, which was basically a type of assassin, because professional duelists tended to be dedicated professionals, while ordinary people who happened to do a bit of fencing could not compete with that.

Another trick of professional duellists was to force people to pay to get out of duels once they'd issued a challenge, and realized what they were up against, as usually an apology (and monetary recompense!) could be issued until the actual moment of the duel; so a professional would hook someone into a duel and then arrange for their second to let them know that they were up against certain death.

It didn't always work: One of Napoleon's Marshals, Augereau, in his younger days, once outwitted a professional duellist who was insulting him in a cafe, who had approached him and was insulting his comrades (he was at this point a sergeant) and his regiment to provoke him by remaining calm, waiting for the man to get done with his insults, ignoring them and then reaching over, unlacing his trousers, and pouring scalding coffee onto his private parts, resulting in the duellist challenging him, letting Sgt. Augreau select weapons of his choosing. Naturally he then won.

But Augreau himself was a professional and very talented soldier. Civilians didn't do well against professional duellists.
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Re: [Op-Ed] Bring Back Dueling!

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I am a HEMA practicioner, and she would kill me just as well. She was amazing! In her youth, she got married to some rich dude who couldn't handle her and left fo the colonies, and kinda eloped with a fencing master, who trained her up and then had a travelling sideshow, letting paying customers get humiliated by getting defeated by a beautiful girl that sang in the background. She got noticed for her voice, and left that chap to become a famous opera singer. That duel with the three guy did happen because she kept on wearing men's clothes and these three men were not happy with her snatching up all the gursl at the ballroom dance. She even once kidnapped one of her girlfriends from a abbey, using a dead nun and a fire as distraction. She's a crazy story to read up upon.
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Yeah I pretty much only put the 'champion fencer' thing in there to stop people complaining; she was pretty amazing. But duelling was always a way to get people killed for no real benefit.
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I did not know she had contracted to duel others for money, but aside from that, yes; she's become something of a retroactive Internet celebirty for the past few years.
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OTOH, her reputation is really overblown. She never faced a renowned duellist of her time, nor a renowned fencing master.
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That kind of abuse is what my grenade suggestion was meant to prevent. :)
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Thanas wrote:OTOH, her reputation is really overblown. She never faced a renowned duellist of her time, nor a renowned fencing master.
That may be so, but I was really looking for someone interesting who has had the claim that they took money to duel people to the death levelled at them somewhat consistently (the tale of her assaulting a man with a stick in the street to try and provoke him into a duel springs to mind), not necessarily the best duellist ever.
Zeropoint wrote:That kind of abuse is what my grenade suggestion was meant to prevent. :)
The risk to bystanders and seconds is rather high, is it not?
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Zeropoint wrote:That kind of abuse is what my grenade suggestion was meant to prevent. :)
The risk to bystanders and seconds is rather high, is it not?
Presumably if duelling became as formalized as to do it in such a format as Zeropoint suggests, there might be specially protected arenas for doing it in this fashion, or elsewhere people take it to abandoned quarries or large clearings and any spectators would be well advised to keep their distance.
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I'm a practitioner of fencing with the heavy rapier (as are the people I was talking about upthread who I know to have been advocating the return of dueling concurrent with the op-ed in the OP) and she'd likely kill me (and the majority of them) just as well. There really is no good argument to be made in favor of dueling, and she and her ilk are yet another reason why.
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On the subject of planned non-lethal dueling:

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I wouldn't mind having an ilk someday.
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