Hospital errors kill nearly 200,000 every year

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Mayabird wrote: The problems with nurses are twofold: firstly, there aren't nearly enough, and there aren't any good ways to make up the shortage without massively increasing medical costs (and of course that's a big no-no.) Nurses are underpaid and underappreciated, so not many people go into it, and of those a lot of the good ones are driven away because they can't make enough (and could easily get more survivable wages in some other less stressful medical field) while also being overworked. To cut costs, a lot of hospitals, even the one in my podunk hometown, are recruiting foreign nurses from Nigeria and the Phillipines. A lot of them (not all, but a frighteningly large number) do not have a firm enough grasp of English (spoken or written) but because a lot of hospitals are just trying to get warm bodies they don't care, so errors start to pile up. Add that to them being given the responsibility of too many patients (five or six at a time IIRC is the optimal number, but seven or eight can be done in a pinch, while many nurses regularly are supposed to care for more patients than that, and they can't do a good job with that many people).

So what happens is you have overworked overstressed nurses who may not be the highest quality who aren't for a combination of reasons giving good basic care to patients, but those little things that they fail to do can end up fatal (a wrong medication, forgetting that a patient has a food allergy, not having time to check in on a patient to make sure they're doing alright, etc.).

It's not the whole story, but no one else is talking about it.
Yup, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Nurses are the fabric of the hospital and we're systematically cutting them down.

We have a deficit of doctors, and within 20 years we're going to have a serious problem as pretty much all of the old guard disappears and a number of fields are going to be left holding the bill. But everyone overlooks nurses. When a hospital or county says they need doctors, they need nurses to help carry out the doctors orders. A doctor cannot stay with a patient in the hospital 24/7, they need nurses to administer and care but there's a HUGE HUGE HUGE deficit of trained/registered nurses. And the quality of the incoming nurses is not looking good either.
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Nice speculation without a shred of evidence, as usual for an idiot like you. I had no idea that the Americans had developed a method of ensuring that it's impossible to cover anything up in a hospital.
Here's an idea... how about you stop being an asshole every time someone disagrees with you? Anyway, the main point which was-
I'll wait for the Canadian accident report rate to see if thats the case....
-is perfectly valid. The ending comment was meant as a sort of "biting"/sarcastic humor.
And it's too bad we Canadians mysteriously live longer with our inferior health-care system, eh? Or didn't you know that according to WHO, Canadians live more than 2 years longer than Americans on average?
Oh please, life expectancy has much more to do with lifestyle choices then it does with Hospital systems. Amercians smoke alot, eat alot of "bad" food, don't excercise, and have the highest obesity rate on the planet- a very bad combination that drives down life expectancy.

Ever hear the saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?
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BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Nice speculation without a shred of evidence, as usual for an idiot like you. I had no idea that the Americans had developed a method of ensuring that it's impossible to cover anything up in a hospital.
Here's an idea... how about you stop being an asshole every time someone disagrees with you?
Here's an idea ... how about you actually discuss the subject instead of trying to hijack the thread to one of your usual "I hate all that is left-wing" rants, shithead?
Anyway, the main point which was-
I'll wait for the Canadian accident report rate to see if thats the case....
-is perfectly valid. The ending comment was meant as a sort of "biting"/sarcastic humor.
No, it was the behaviour of an idiot.
And it's too bad we Canadians mysteriously live longer with our inferior health-care system, eh? Or didn't you know that according to WHO, Canadians live more than 2 years longer than Americans on average?
Oh please, life expectancy has much more to do with lifestyle choices then it does with Hospital systems. Amercians smoke alot, eat alot of "bad" food, don't excercise, and have the highest obesity rate on the planet- a very bad combination that drives down life expectancy.
Oh yes, of course, Canadians suffer from none of those problems.
Ever hear the saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?
Yes. Ever hear the saying "don't be a sarcastic smart-ass idiot?"
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Here's an idea ... how about you actually discuss the subject instead of trying to hijack the thread to one of your usual "I hate all that is left-wing" rants, shithead?
Point out where I did this in this thread and I'll apologize. For that matter, point out how I "usually" do this.
No, it was the behaviour of an idiot.
Bullshit, it was a perfectly acceptable piece of sarcasm given your previous little story. You know, the one where you used anecdotal evidence to support a conclusion of widespread corruption.
Oh yes, of course, Canadians suffer from none of those problems.
I'll be shocked if its anywhere near the rate that Americans suffer from them- espically the obesity rate.
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BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Here's an idea ... how about you actually discuss the subject instead of trying to hijack the thread to one of your usual "I hate all that is left-wing" rants, shithead?
Point out where I did this in this thread and I'll apologize. For that matter, point out how I "usually" do this.
Don't be a dishonest little fuck. The thread was about the medical industry making a lot of mistakes and not doing a good enough job of corraling them, not about the validity of my prior arguments in other threads about the superiority of universal government health care, fuckhead. Or have you forgotten that YOU TRIED TO BRING UP MY PRIOR ARGUMENTS ON A DIFFERENT SUBJECT in order to bait me off the subject, asshole?

You tried to hijack it, and now you're just too dishonest to admit it.
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Don't be a dishonest little fuck. The thread was about the medical industry making a lot of mistakes and not doing a good enough job of corraling them, not about the validity of my prior arguments in other threads about the superiority of universal government health care, fuckhead.
I was making an observation based on statements, about the Canadian Healthcare system, you made in this and in other threads. I made no "arguement" and it certainly wasn't meant to start another debate about whether or not universal government health care is superior. If I wanted to debate you on that I would have started a new thread, sent you a personal message, or sent you an email challenge.
Or have you forgotten that YOU TRIED TO BRING UP MY PRIOR ARGUMENTS ON A DIFFERENT SUBJECT in order to bait me off the subject, asshole?
Care to point out where I did that? Or wait, is that you making another false claim that your going to ignore when you it turns out you can't substanciate it... like you did with this.
Here's an idea ... how about you actually discuss the subject instead of trying to hijack the thread to one of your usual "I hate all that is left-wing" rants, shithead?

Point out where I did this in this thread and I'll apologize. For that matter, point out how I "usually" do this.
Anyway... as for your last point....
You tried to hijack it, and now you're just too dishonest to admit it.
By all means, prove it to me and I'll apologize.
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BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:Care to point out where I did that? Or wait, is that you making another false claim that your going to ignore when you it turns out you can't substanciate it... like you did with this.
I'll do it for him.
You know, for a man who's constantly singing praises about the Canadian Healthcare system, you sure do have alot of horror stories about it.
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