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Axis Kast wrote:Regan long suffered the ire of those who wanted to speed the development of a European community as well. Not to mention that his relationship with Thatcher was wracked in ’82 by the poor fashion in which the United States handled the Falklands Crisis.
Sure Reagan pissed a few Brits off for one reason or another as did Bush Snr as did Clinton, just as Chirac has as did Mitterand as did Kohl, Bush Jnr is outstanding in that he’s managed to join a clear if not overwhelming majority of the British public and save for the all important Blair nearly all our politicians against him that takes talent, you know come to think of it maybe that’s what he was talking about with all this “I’m a uniter not a divider” shit.
I didn’t say that it could. There are many reasons for intellectuals to dislike George Bush. On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of those who profess dislike of Bush are not intellectuals.
Well seeing as how most of the UK population seem to dislike Bush and as by no means is most of the UK’s population intellectual it’s only to be expected that many of Bush’s British decorators won’t be intellectuals.

What exactly is your point, that significant sections of the population don’t follow the news as much as say for example regular contributors to sd.net N&P? That’s hardly a blinding insight, if on the other hand you are trying to suggest that Bush haters are less likely to be “intellectuals” than bushophiles then my personal experience in real life, on the net would suggest otherwise and I’d be interested to see some substantiation.
Most of his detractors know very little about his actual policies, and prefer to parrot the silly by-lines of professional protestors and media pundits.
Most UK detractors do however know that he was one of the main guys pushing to invade Iraq and they dislike him for this reason (I know you disagree with them but its still a clear reason to dislike him), others dislike his anti-environmentalism and so forth,
Case-in-point: on a recent vacation to the Caribbean, I met two New Yorkers who insisted that Bush had purposely dropped the ball on 9/11. They then proceeded to tell me that they would vote Republican in the next election to punish the Democrat, Bush.
Well I really couldn’t comment one a couple of new Yorkers you met on holiday
As for Bush’s social policies and religious beliefs, I remind you that Europe is hardly the paragon of liberalism you hold them up to be.
Remind me when did I hold Europe up to be a paragon of liberalism? I’m not at all sure I ever did anyways in comparison to Bush on the whole it is, even the British Conservative party has now accepted gay civil partnerships and is actively chasing the pink vote
Religion is still strong in Europe – especially in Southern Europe, including Spain, France, and Italy.
Religion is “strong in Europe” is it? I was under the impression that religion was weaker in Europe than practically anywhere else in the world, please do correct me if I’m wrong but which significant country is more secular than the EU?

I don’t think you Americans realise just how weird it is for us to hear your politicians going on about god and their faith all the time, people simply don’t do that in Britain nor do they in my rather more limited experience in the rest of Europe and it really freaks us out.
I really doubt that Bush’s social agenda is the true cause of people’s anger, but rather more ammunition they can use against him.
His stance on contraception in Africa is a direct source of anger for some, his homophobia is for others by which I mean non-political gays us “right on” tolerant types already hate Bush for any number of other reasons, I know a few British Methodists who dislike him for giving Methodism a bad name
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Regarding the Greenham Common peace camp, there was an unsubstanited rumour at the time that CND was covertly funded by the USSR since it was always conveniently forgotten just how many missiles the Russians had pointed our way.

Also, I didn't think we were getting Tomahawks or Pershings at Greenham Common, I thought it was AGM-86 ALCM's.
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I think I've read that CND, et. al. were also covertly funded by the KGB, but I'll have to look up where I saw it.

IIRC, the US was planning to deploy the Pershing II IRBM and the Tomahawk GLCM in the UK.
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Talon Karrde wrote:Ok, thanks. That was my point. He was hated, your right, before he was elected, but he wasn't favored either. And your also right, he is now HATED by the world because of his policies.
Talon when Bush last visited Britain 200,000 people demonstrated against him doing so, that is quite exceptional and can in no way be written off by him being Conservative, I don’t recall that anything like that happening to Bush Snr and it’s a little before my time but I think Reagan was tolerably popular here.

I only know one single person who owns up in public to liking Bush and he happens to be a member of the fascist British National Party (who incidentally on the whole don’t like Bush either) even the Conservative Party here who traditionally have links to the Republicans have been trying to distance themselves from Bush.

Bush is absolutely loathed by the vast majority of the British population because of his policies and his personality most Brits don’t really know the difference between the the Republicans and the Democrats but even the least informed can see that Bush is an ignorant, arrogant, hypocritical, war mongering, cowardly fuck.

Just accept it we hate Bush because of who he is, what he’s done and what he’s trying to do his membership of a “conservative” party has nothing to do with it.
::SIGH:: Have you just decided to not read the entire conversation? I already admitted he is hated on the international front. My point is that he was not hated before he was elected, but wasn't supported.
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Talon Karrde wrote: ::SIGH:: Have you just decided to not read the entire conversation? I already admitted he is hated on the international front. My point is that he was not hated before he was elected, but wasn't supported.
So he managed to take mild indifference/light dislike and turned it into raging hatred, which by itself is an achievement but when you take into account that the US got an unprecedented outpouring of sympathy after September 11th it turns into something of an amazing feat.
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Talon Karrde wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:You're very right about them disliking (not hating) Bush before the election. Why shouldn't they have? They're as capable as we are of following the news and looking at Bush's record as governor. Bush demonstrated a lot of his ideas and attitudesin the 2000 campaign, certainly his intolerant brand of Christianity and his arrogance, and that gave them serious pause. Those didn't come out of know where and they no doubt saw that.

The hate came later, mostly because of his truly ham-handed behaviour with regards to any number of things.
Ok, thanks. That was my point. He was hated, your right, before he was elected, but he wasn't favored either. And your also right, he is now HATED by the world because of his policies.
No, it wasn't. But we'll pretend it is just to shut you up.
Talon Karrde wrote:::SIGH:: Have you just decided to not read the entire conversation? I already admitted he is hated on the international front. My point is that he was not hated before he was elected, but wasn't supported.
Well fucking duh. What country is going to support Bush in bending them over and assraping them? You're stunned that Bush wasn't supported in his ham-fisted, America-centric policies. To anyone else that would be a given.
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Sure Reagan pissed a few Brits off for one reason or another as did Bush Snr as did Clinton, just as Chirac has as did Mitterand as did Kohl, Bush Jnr is outstanding in that he’s managed to join a clear if not overwhelming majority of the British public and save for the all important Blair nearly all our politicians against him that takes talent, you know come to think of it maybe that’s what he was talking about with all this “I’m a uniter not a divider” shit.
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